Have you ever been "cancelled"?

I had a sitcom on NBC in the summer of '77 that wasn't renewed, so yes.

Real answer, no. Definitely try to watch my words a more carefully than I did even five years ago.

But often not carefully enough--subtract that "a."

No, but should have been a few times over

People have called me an asshole, and lots of other things, as a consequence of opinions I have expressed, here and elsewhere. (My current username was a gift from Brad, and probably deserved.) But to me "cancelled" means losing a job or a book contract or something real-worldish like that, so no.

While both canceled{/b] and [b]cancelled are acceptable for the past tense of cancel, the version with one L is more common in American English, while the version with two L's is more common in British English.

fuck you, bbcode

I'm a relative newcomer here, I've seen a few people get shouted down, often though maybe not always deservedly, and there seems to be a healthy number of (usually temporary) bans. Not sure any of that counts as "cancellation."

^ not really, no.

thought about this and concluded i'm uncancelable. been living in a kind of self-imposed exile for almost 15 years. how do you cancel someone who has withdrawn into himself?

Feel like there was a moment in 6th grade where I went through something similar to Harriet the Spy, where all of a sudden I was untouchable and bullied and not exactly sure why

It didn't last terribly long, and I'm not scarred by it, but I remember feeling like a pile of dogshit and not knowing what I did wrong... but that might be more Lord of the Flies shit than actual cancellation

No but it is a clear and present danger

this is one of those scenarios in which phil can hide his bullshit and everyone will be like 'cool; he can't possibly be that shitty!'

I recently got cancelled by a dental practise. Turned up for an appointment a day late and the usually friendly receptionist was looking at me with an embarrassed to be making eye contact with a non-person look, so I knew I'd fucked up before she spoke. This was the 2nd appointment you've missed this year, you low value non-paying NHS scum, goodbye.

clemenza cancelled by outraged Italian community

I'm a relative newcomer here, I've seen a few people get shouted down, often though maybe not always deservedly, and there seems to be a healthy number of (usually temporary) bans. Not sure any of that counts as "cancellation."

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 2 June 2023 bookmarkflaglink

Yes I've been cancelled (twice).

I’ve been no platformed… by these bleedin train strikes!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2er9d5hb_Fc

great work wins

I've been cancelled and cancelled people multiple times on ilx

the ol' canhammer eh

ilx cancelled me once, just for merely spitting truth to power and they couldn't handle it!

those louche landfill days when 102 sugcans would get ye permacanned

keep reading this thread title to Olivia Newton John's "Have You Never Been Mellow"

I was thinking patsy cline

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mih9xvo7a8

keep reading this thread title to Olivia Newton John's "Have You Never Been Mellow"

lol i'm sorry it glided off my frontal lobe

possible grounds for cancellation, mon cher

I earned it, I'll take it on the chain

I'm mellow

On the chin, what the hell is wrong with you spellcheck?

Spellchecker cancelled.

the time i was in a cell, i was only 18 years old and was unfamiliar with such jams as "Yoo Do Right" ... though in later years I did book performances by Malcolm Mooney and Damo Suzuki so the "Can" and the "Celled" were not contemporaneous, so ... yes and no?

I have been know to say “I’ve cancelled that in my area”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asAlBgHoqjI

I endure the continual and silent cancellation of the never famous

do it for the cancel culture

i wish i was cool enough to say i have no fear of getting cancelled, but it's not true. i worry about it.

what's your worry, or i guess what's the worry anyone would have if you're being a decent human being?

I’m pretty sure I have “been cancelled” (experienced professional or social consequences of my own behaviour and speech) but as I never did or said anything that bad it really hasn’t mattered much

In my early 20s I lost my job because I stopped coming into work

Most common social cancellation has to be when a couple breaks up and their mutual friends take sides, cancelling one if they were an outright asshole.

Have you ever been mellow?

Insane clown posse

Cancelled due to poor sales ;_;

not so much HERE per se, but there are large pockets of internet where you can be fairly eviscerated and de-platformed for complete nonsense. i.e. YA Twitter.

that and pile-ons don't always have social justice in mind. some people just enjoy finding an excuse to eviscerate someone and look for the next one to pop up.

that being said, most cancellations do happen for a reason.

other thing is the only people cancellation ever works on = everyday people, like a struggling author, low-visibility musicians, Deacons at churches. celebrities and businesses usually wind up stronger than they were before. which isn't to say they shouldn't be 'cancelled' anyway because absolutely call those fuckers out but they never see any real consequences.

YA Twitter feels like a uh special case

I don't think most of us are going to wind up before ILX tribunals tho, unless we like the wrong Bob Dylan album

ryan adams seems to have been somewhat successfully cancelled (good, he's a true POS) but at the same time he had peaked twenty years ago so there wasn't much left to cancel.

i think it does ding celebs to an extent, even someone like aziz ansari is probably still dealing with the fallout of his possibly misguided cancellation in terms of how his career momentum just completely stalled.

I see that Ryan Adams is playing ten shows this month. I don't know how cancelled that is. No more Pitchfork reviews, I guess.

i'm sure he'll make enough money on performing shows to survive but as far as anyone outside his cult caring, that's over i'm guessing.

the current obsession with true crime content

"current" is a fallacy here imo

think it's more that true crime reporting used to be more the domain of people with some semblance of investigating skills, whereas now any idiot with an internet connection can start a True Crime podcast and spread unfounded theories.

(obviously some of this happened in the olden days too, but it took longer for shit to spread back then and to reach large audiences)

yeah, you used to have to get a book deal to put out your theory that your father killed the Black Dahlia and was the Zodiac Killer.

xxp certainly. I meant the current iteration, with reddit boards and podcasts, but there's always been an obsession

of course, otoh, urban legends and shit hung around a lot longer decades ago because fact-checking and debunking wasn't a real time activity and often never gained much visibility in the general public.

how many people told you that Marilyn Manson was Paul from Wonder Years in the 90s?

I would solve these problems by feeding the true crime podcasters to the serial killers. Win-win.

some recent bullshit i can recall was the self proclaimed psychic tiktokker who accused the U of Idaho professor of orchestrating that quadruple homicide (she's vv stupidly and psychotically doubling down on it these days)

I guess some fact-checking and debunking works but it doesn't stick with 90% of people and most of us just passively absorb information throughout the day

There's also a question of media coverage, and whether that plays a role in subconsciously amplifying the role serial killers have, and conversely making us somewhat inured to so called "mundane murders"

I am guessing that the "us" in this statement refers to people who tend to be more removed from "mundane murders"? I mean, I grew up in a small town where nothing really happened, and people were very worried about child abduction and murder by serial killers. The whole Polly Klaas thing that led to the 3 strikes laws that led to the growth of the carceral state here. Where I live now, we have several "mundane murders" a week, and I really stopped giving a fuck about serial killers and that kind of true crime stuff tbh.

Another example of a person’s life being dramatically fucked up and thrown into disarray because they dare to stand up for the truth and what’s right— and more evidence that it is usually the fascists doing the cancelling.

Texas A&M suspended professor accused of criticizing Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick in lecture

fuuuuuck Dan Patrick

I am guessing that the "us" in this statement refers to people who tend to be more removed from "mundane murders"? I mean, I grew up in a small town where nothing really happened, and people were very worried about child abduction and murder by serial killers. The whole Polly Klaas thing that led to the 3 strikes laws that led to the growth of the carceral state here. Where I live now, we have several "mundane murders" a week, and I really stopped giving a fuck about serial killers and that kind of true crime stuff tbh.

Could be, to an extent at least. If I live somewhere and there are 13 murders within a timeframe and its on tv and it all looks like and ends up being by the same person I can see that being anxiety inducing

But if the 13 murders are all by different people and none of them make the news because they’re all boring, is that better? For me thats worse.

On the other hand perhaps the former IS more shocking because it jolts people who might otherwise feel comfortable and safe. Something about it being unexpected.

so are we renaming this the serial killer thread now

none of them make the news because they’re all boring, is that better? For me thats worse.

well yes, it is worse, because someone or some authority has determined that these are "boring" murders ... I doubt the friends & families & neighbors are particularly bored?

but the people in power who determine what gets news coverage (and how it gets covered) ... generally are more shocked by murders of affluent white people (and/or their children) ... to bring it back to the thread topic of social justice and "deplatforming"

i think serial murderers have a sort of baroque, dare i say "goth" appeal that speaks to the absolute worst aspects of humanity, in the sense when one is active it does really seem like a monster has crawled from an abyss. i don't want to normalize other types of murder, i just think unfortunately americans regard most other murders to be not shocking because they're so commonplace. it goes hand in hand with how a vast segment of the population, enough to influence the policies that are helping to destroy the country, are willing to accept violence if it means more freedom.

nerd lol at post + username in re Season 5 -- also otm

I mean, you were taken out by a child at the liquor store and got hardly any reporting, when tbrr, you were a mf legend, omar

;_; </3

The run of the mill murders do get a lot of press coverage—check the local news of a large city. But those aren’t the kind of cases that get podcasts or documentaries.

Gunfire killed a man in Oakland on Monday night, police said.

The shooting occurred just before 11:30 p.m. in the 1000 block of East Eighth Street near 10th Avenue.

Dispatchers were told of a shooting and officers responded and located the victim there, according to police.

The man was taken to a hospital, where he died, police said. The man's name is not being released yet by police.

Anyone with information about the case is asked to call the Police Department's homicide unit at (510) 238-3821 or its tip line at (510) 238-7950.

staggering amount of press coverage

I remember not long after I moved to Oakland I was looking at a crime map and there had been 5 murders at one location and I couldn’t find a single news article about it.

part of this is that there is barely any local news around here. there's the chronicle, which I do not buy (but read online while it was cheap); people instead look at sfgate which has gotten increasingly more overrun with 'content' stories and non-news stuff. the east bay barely has a newspaper. Oaklandside / cityside have an editorial policy to not cover very much crime.

to fill the gap, people now look at nextdoor and the citizen app, both of which are awful

The KTVU website will usually have at least a mention of most Oakland murders, but not much follow-up after the initial event

I’m talking local tv news. It’s literally murder, murder, murder.

Atlanta media mostly interested when affluent white people get murdered.

isn't this what Nextdoor is for now?

We hear about a lot of stuff in Philly but certainly not everything— I mostly hear about things happening in my immediate area, which… well, let’s just say I’ve quite literally come across people who have just been shot. It sucks, and is among the reasons why we’re trying to leave this place

My sister lives in Germantown and is contemplating the same.

we’re in Cobb’s Creek out in West Philly. it’s the only section of the city i love but also not great in some respects.

I’m talking local tv news. It’s literally murder, murder, murder.

Following from our chat on prisons. This is inhumane

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jul/31/texas-prison-heatwave-temperatures-cells

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/aug/02/the-tragedy-of-rianna-and-baby-aisha-cleary-teenager-gave-birth-all-alone-in-a-prison-cell

xp - super fucked up! it's infuriating that - how many years since Hurricane Katrina -- still this bullshit.

haha, fucking Henry Lee. that guy enraged me on twitter. He is pathologically incapable of posting actual links to things.

Probably 20+ years ago now, there was someone found set on fire on some schoolgrounds in Oakland. The woman lived. henry Lee wrote the chronicle articles about this, and of course there was never any followup ... how long did she live? did she ever identify who had done that to her? I even wrote him a few times over the years to ask and the dude didn't respond.

Remember when Tupac Shakur's mugshot was an UP YOURS to "the man"?

lol wrong thread

death couldn't cancel Tupac (from releasing dozens of albums of unfinished demos)

I was driving my son and two other 8 yos around this weekend and they were talking about Teslas non-stop.

man, me and this thread

gotcha

https://x.com/White_Janissary/status/1795774762914079115

Wow I thought I made this thread like eight years ago.

on a serious note, there's a local cookery bakery at Disney Springs that's been a crowd favorite for years, but last week or so, a cryptic Instagram account began making accusations of employee mistreatment, and started making demands. of course, the owner of the bakery responded to indicate the allegations were false, about as clumsily as owners often are in these cases, so now people are advocating boycotting the company, etc.

I pretty much always side with the worker in worker/employer debates, and have no reason to side with the owner in this case, plus I've never actually been to this place so 'boycotting it' isn't even a worry for me.

but where I have an issue is the lack of transparency surrounding the social media account making the claims, as well as some credibility issues. Nobody knows who is running it, or whether it's actually blessed by the employees. Obviously, the employees, who are haven't yet unionized, can't go on record with their names, but the owner of the account claims to be a current employee, whereas employees with knowledge of who runs the account have stated it's actually an ex-employee. The owner claims to have put the account together with the input of 36 other employees, and that outreach was made to all employees of the company, whereas a few employees have been interviewed as saying no such outreach was done, and that they did not give permission for this account to speak on their behalf. These were employees who were not necessarily refuting the claims made or defending the company, but didn't appreciate having a mouthpiece they didn't agree to.

The owner claimed a specific HR representative blurted out a racial slur in a meeting, only for two employees who attended the meeting to contact press and confirm that not only did this not happen, but the representative in question wasn't in that meeting. On top of that, the social media account made the tone deaf decision to compare working there to working on an 1800s plantation. after they got blowback for that, they temporarily turned off comments, and started deleting other comments.

On the other hand, many employees have taken to Reddit to post redacted paystubs and offer support for the cause. Others sought to distance themselves from it and commented that some of the claims were misleading or wrong. I'm definitely not defending the company because I know how when there's smoke there's fire, but...I have a problem with the idea that we shouldn't take a step back and consider that perhaps this account might not be the right mouthpiece for it, at least until these problems get cleared up. but suggesting that gets you accused of siding with the owners.

Obviously, anonymity does not invalidate a claim, because this is the type of thing that a powerless group of employees has to do anonymously, but other public campaigns against businesses from employees haven't had similar credibility issues that this one has, in that it's been clear who the leader is even if they're not named, employees have gone on record to the press validating the authority of the group, and confirmed their claims on social media and to the press. yeah, there are often dissenting voices, but not the outright red flags this account has.

cookery = cookie

my grandmother always said "where there's smoke, there's fire." i never was comfortable with that because people lie sometimes. at the same time, it is painful for accusers to be disbelieved and we have all seen how institutions at all levels of society have shielded the powerful from accountability.

there isn't a clear way to address all of these concerns.

otm

listen as a class of people, and I know there are exceptions, restaurant owners are the biggest group of psychos on earth

they're the main reason I stopped working in them. That and getting laid off at the last gig lol

"where there's smoke, there's fire" does not explicitly mean that someone's stated allegations are true, just that something is going on, though?