Spreadsheets Are for Girls

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Is there any gender division in the use of computer software? If so, what?

MarkH (MarkH), Thursday, 21 November 2002 11:22 (twenty-three years ago)

The women in our office are far more willing to fill in our tracking spreadsheet than the men.

MarkH (MarkH), Thursday, 21 November 2002 11:29 (twenty-three years ago)

Women seem distinctly less keen on using Championship Manager.

Or distinctly less keen on men that use Championship Manager. Can't quite remember which...

Mr Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 21 November 2002 11:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Most of the women where I work are far more competent with email than the men. Communication innit...

I like using spreadsheets for ordering information (mm tidy) but not for doing sums and formulas and that.

Archel (Archel), Thursday, 21 November 2002 11:51 (twenty-three years ago)

I use spreadsheets every now and then for drawing up financial plans of ficticious businesses that I could start up. It's really nifty to play with the numbers until you find the very least amount of success required to break even, and go "hey, that'd work!"

Andrew (enneff), Thursday, 21 November 2002 11:58 (twenty-three years ago)

One of my lecturers at university claimed that women really liked Pacman because it's quite like hoovering. I had a few objections to that statement, such as a) no it isn't and b) where are all these women who regard hoovering as fun? He also claimed that certain words were more male than female. His example was avoiding the term 'abort' in a system designed for the Royal College of Midwives - which is clearly a word with a special context for these people because of their career, not because of their sex.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 21 November 2002 13:16 (twenty-three years ago)

As there are rather more male computer programmers and admins than female, then obviously less women are going to be using things like Perl and Emacs.

caitlin, Thursday, 21 November 2002 14:18 (twenty-three years ago)

my mum's a computer programmer.

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 21 November 2002 14:20 (twenty-three years ago)

One of my lecturers at university claimed that women really liked Pacman because it's quite like hoovering

Never heard that one. Have heard, however, that it was popular with women because it didn't involve shooting, which is prolly just a slightly less blatant form of sexism than that pedalled by yr lecturer.

MarkH (MarkH), Thursday, 21 November 2002 14:27 (twenty-three years ago)

Hasn't THE SIMMS got hoovering in it? I think that's supposed to be popular with girls.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Thursday, 21 November 2002 14:28 (twenty-three years ago)

As regards applications, well, I'm not really sure, due to the fact that there are no women in my group. This, however, (and the fact that it has been pretty much the same everywhere I've worked) maybe goes to show that women on average are less likely to be interested in operating systems than blokes. And, well, who'd blame them.

Oh, and Martin - words are definitely male/female. For example, "pamphlet" is a pretty feminine word, whereas "crankshaft" is definitely a male one. Just for the sound of it.

lol p xx, Thursday, 21 November 2002 14:28 (twenty-three years ago)

i use and know more about HP-UX, AIX and Solaris than the men in my office, but then it's my job to.

angela (angela), Thursday, 21 November 2002 14:33 (twenty-three years ago)

my mum, watching a programme abt the moon: "i hate space"

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 21 November 2002 14:40 (twenty-three years ago)

One of my lecturers at university claimed that women really liked Pacman because it's quite like hoovering.

And tetris is also supposed to be like cleaning up, too. (All together now: "Huh?")

One thing I have noticed, in my many years of gaming, is that women tend to restrict themselves to the popular games. Most don't get into the little obscurities that make this hobby an interesting one.

Christine "Green Leafy Dragon" Indigo (cindigo), Thursday, 21 November 2002 15:14 (twenty-three years ago)

sistrah becky and dr vick both became obsessed with tomb raider, and SB has actually forbidden me from sending her any new little games

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 21 November 2002 15:19 (twenty-three years ago)

my dad had a series of tetris-based dreams.

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 21 November 2002 15:21 (twenty-three years ago)

Tell me more.

Christine "Green Leafy Dragon" Indigo (cindigo), Thursday, 21 November 2002 15:27 (twenty-three years ago)

And tetris is also supposed to be like cleaning up, too. (All together now: "Huh?")

I'm with you on cleaning up ?=? pleasure bit. However, I have heard that Tetris' appeal, particularly to women, is based on the opportunity to make aesthetically pleasing arrangements. Although that could be a more highbrow way of saying the same thing.

The story I always repeated was that Tetris was really a Soviet plot to undermine Western office productivity.

j.lu (j.lu), Thursday, 21 November 2002 15:30 (twenty-three years ago)

as far as I know: my dad's dreams involved him having to play tetris but with real-life big blocks which dropped down from the SKY.

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 21 November 2002 15:33 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm with you on cleaning up ?=? pleasure bit. However, I have heard that Tetris' appeal, particularly to women, is based on the opportunity to make aesthetically pleasing arrangements. Although that could be a more highbrow way of saying the same thing.

It is. Personally, I think that it's largely because women haven't been told over and over again that they aren't supposed to be interested in tetris, like they have been with other games.

Here's another interesting thing: There are a lot of women involved with text-based interactive fiction. It's completly seperated from the rest of the games world now to the point where, despite the fact that 75-100 IF games are released a year, most mainstream gamers think that the genre is dead.

Christine "Green Leafy Dragon" Indigo (cindigo), Thursday, 21 November 2002 15:47 (twenty-three years ago)

Hah, which desktop application is most like vacuuming?

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 21 November 2002 15:50 (twenty-three years ago)

the last time i was actively involved with IF, there was a good representation of women writing and playing the games. there were some excellent "non adventure" pieces, or "art" pieces inb the going, and a lot of interesting stuff being done by Emily Short - check out Galatea by her.

Alan (Alan), Thursday, 21 November 2002 15:56 (twenty-three years ago)

I would just like to say that men in my office like Lotus 123 and the women like Excel. I have no idea why, besides the fact that the men are idiots.

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 21 November 2002 17:23 (twenty-three years ago)

Women are more likely to call help desk rather then breaking their computer to a greater extent like we do here. Though that is unfair as most of the women here are business analysts or testers and not programmers who refuse to read instruction manuals, online help pages or write grammatically correct man pages.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 21 November 2002 17:28 (twenty-three years ago)

I think there are different personality types that go across genders, which make some people more comfortable and proficient with certain types of software/games. I don't think it is necessarily gender biased though.

But Pacman = hoovering? Brilliant! I am now trying to think if any of the games I love playing have hidden domestic messages...

Baldurs Gate : desire to kill trolls and learn spells obviously a housewifely desire to rid the home of unwanted pests and to learn new cooking recipes.

DonkeyKong : my love of this gameboy game which contains both monkeys and barrels is possibly a subconscious desire to make soft toys and pickle lots of foodstuffs...who can tell?

Yahoo games..virtual stove and ironing board game. Hmm..this one has me stumped..i have no idea what it represents...unless it is a desire to both broil and then flatten male private parts...

C J (C J), Thursday, 21 November 2002 18:04 (twenty-three years ago)

Snake II: Obvious attempt at testing females' limits at eating all of male counter part's funds. Along with turning the game players to a more omnivorous diet. Clearly a tool of the patriach.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 21 November 2002 19:15 (twenty-three years ago)

eight months pass...
http://www.shannon-kernaghan.com/images/Bedsheets%20to%20Spreadsheets%20%20copy.JPG

Dada, Wednesday, 30 July 2003 05:29 (twenty-two years ago)

accountants like spreadsheets, and since most accountants that i know are men i find this idea that spreadsheets are "girly" to be quite odd.

and i prefer quattro.

Tad (llamasfur), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 05:34 (twenty-two years ago)

...fairies wear boots

data dump, Wednesday, 30 July 2003 07:59 (twenty-two years ago)

CJ likes Baldurs Gate? And Donkey Kong?

<3

"The SIMMS"

A new game where you control the lives of a group of Single-Inline Memory Modules.

Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 08:14 (twenty-two years ago)

I never saw this thread before and have to state that I am a spreadsheet monkey, proving the theory wrong, I'm all about my vlookups.

chris (chris), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 08:19 (twenty-two years ago)

five years pass...

Are spreadsheets inherently evil or is it just that nobody knows how to create a good one?

Insert ilx.xls joke here.

Monkey Pocket Boob (libcrypt), Thursday, 2 April 2009 20:27 (seventeen years ago)

Also, insert I-thought-this-was-a-laundry-thread joke here.

Monkey Pocket Boob (libcrypt), Thursday, 2 April 2009 20:31 (seventeen years ago)


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