relationships:great or bleh

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..the kind that usually have sex involved. worth the trouble of finding someone you like? worth it for sex alone? something to have when your bored? makes life worth living? hmm

kevin enas, Wednesday, 20 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I prefer relationships where you have no sex and just sit and discuss how much you hate sex while the people downstairs think you're actually having sex. It confuses everyone so much more, though that's not really relationship, it's a devious plot.

I hate relationships really, they're stupid.

Ally, Wednesday, 20 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I can't explain. So much pain.

DavidM, Wednesday, 20 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Relationships are really, really awesome when you've found the right person. There's nothing quite as special as someone who finds your nonsense endearing.

Dan Perry, Wednesday, 20 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

[DG sits in the corner, wishing...]

DG, Wednesday, 20 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The word "relationship" is utterly crap, peer-counseling shit-speak that has, like mutating cells, transformed the way we think of people who we like to rub up against. It's like "parenting" or something - HORRIBLE. I think my main problem is that it's a NOUN, which gives people the illusion that it's a thing, an object that can be acquired, hoarded, traded, burnished. Knowing someone, on any level, is a verb, and action, a movement towards something (and often, inevitably, AWAY from something else). Maybe this should be "being friendly with the person you're fucking: classic or dud". I'd say GRATE except when it's just so obviously not.

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 20 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Tracer: d'you mean "being friendly with" or "being friends with"? Not being FRIENDLY with tPYAF seems kinda harsh...

mark s, Wednesday, 20 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ah yes but just as with pop, it's the recipient that determines stuff, in this case r'ship status, i.e. while to you your knowing (secular or biblical) someone is a process of movement, to the outside world i.e. ppl you know, meet etc. it is a State of Being. The individuals in a couple are individuals to be related to. The Couple however is an object to be related around. Since most 'relationships' involve a lot of peer-group couple display- behaviour this seems only fair.

Tom, Wednesday, 20 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

mark - you're tellin me. Yeah - i didn't quite nail it - tho it's not "fucking your friends C or D" cause we all know about that. I dunno. Being sexy w/people is fun (X). Classic. But finding someone you can even tolerate for 5 minutes is difficult (Y). So on the question, Dud, if you play the odds (a la Croupier). But -- curve of X meets curve of Y and you better jump.

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 20 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

but Tom, why do you care what other ppl think? seriously. anyway, just because people have got you conglomerated w/someone else doesn't mean you get to just sit back and watch the receipts roll in. you have to keep making purchase orders, sweep the floor, have staff meetings, celebration lunches, days off, all-nighters... VERBS to Guard Against Complacency!!

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 20 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

And Be is a good verb too. And harder than one thinks.

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 20 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Once thought great, now think bleh. Unless you meet The One (or are willing to suck it up for something less than that - and I mean TOTALLY willing), they are SO bleh and not worth the investment of time, money, emotion, or any other such thing. Friendship is much better, especially if there's a hint of sexual attraction to keep the juices percolating. Once you cross that line between friendship & nooky, though, it's tough, tough, tough. Nooky disembodied from any tangible emotion is like a Hollywood Blockbuster - the visceral thrill is neat at first, but afterwards you feel cheap & dulled. (There are exceptions to every rule, though.) As much as I'd like to buy into the sex-as- means-to-its-own-end philosophy, I just can't.

Tracer is right on - it's a full-time job. The minute you simply rely on the sparks & charm to do their work without investing any other energy, it's over. And if you're in a relationship just because you're bored & lonely, then you should really start doing drugs or banging your head with a ballpeen hammer. You know, something CONSTRUCTIVE.

The only way to figure this stuff out, though, is through trial & error, something (personally) I'm totally unwilling to do (having been tried once, and found in contempt, even after a year). Godspeed to all you romantics/suckers out there playing the field. And more blessing to you wacky kids currently in relationships, slugging it out & making it work.

David Raposa, Wednesday, 20 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'm friends with all the guys I'm currently fucking, what are you people talking about?

I think this thread should mutate into "Ally Drunk: Classic or Dud?" cos I ain't never saying that otherwise.

Ally, Thursday, 21 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Tracer: I dont care what other people think - except when I'm other people! I'm just taking the question to mean 'relationships' in general - the ones you have AND the ones you see and are forced to interact with.

Tom, Thursday, 21 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Uh-oh... I feel a Smiths song coming on...

JM, Thursday, 21 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I dunno, I've spent most of my life single because I just couldn't be bothered to maintain a relationship with someone I didn't neccessarily love or even like, simply for the sake of "being with someone" (what do i need that for? I've got friends) or else for the sake of sex (I'm got an imagination, what do I need a trouser snake for?).

However, then I met someone who was just as down on the concept of relationships as I was, and just as cynical and misanthropic as I was. And then somehow, mysteriously, we've turned into the ultimate couple from hell. Please explain how that happened to us...

I guess it is kind of fairy tale when you think about it. Never believed in that crap before.

masonic boom, Thursday, 21 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

When they're good they're great. When they're bad they're f*ckin' awful. My relationship's been up and down like a whore's drawers for ten years, but we still love each other. I don't think I'd be a complete person if I wasn't in one, but then, I've spent half my life in some sort of relationship. Like Ally, I've been friends with the people I was f*cking, even if we weren't 'going steady'. You don't have to love someone to need to bed them, and you don't have to go to bed if you're in love. Jeez, is that too heavy?

Rob Wosley, Thursday, 21 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Tom, absolutely - the social expectations from 2 people are extreme - it was just recently that you know, you could rent a hotel room w/someone w/o using the same last name. And when so many people are teeth-grindingly couplish it does seem like a "thing" to negotiate around; I just HATE the word "relationship" SO MUCH, I can just see the social worker nodding empathetically, asking me about my "relationship". It avoids the substance of the dynamic, which I'm arguing is more action-oriented (talking, rubbing, giggling) than object-oriented (C++ haha, you know what I mean).

tracer Hand, Thursday, 21 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

My (possibly-ex) best friend once non-ironically said to me: 'Yes, but I'm in a loving relationship.' He was 17 at the time. I cringed like I had never cringed before, especially since I knew his girlfriend was about to dump him.

Bill

Bill, Saturday, 23 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

My "relationships" are inaction+object- oriented, on the whole.

Object = TV, obviously.

mark s, Saturday, 23 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

These two quotes sum it up pretty well for me (at least, right now in my life):

"I do my thing, and you do your thing, I am not in this world to live up to your expectations, And you are not in this world to live up to mine. You are you, and I am I, And if by chance we meet, it's beautiful. If not, it can't be helped." (Fritz Perls)

"'He no longer loves the person he loved ten years ago.' I quite believe it: she is not the same any more, nor is he. He was young and so was she; now, she is quite different. Perhaps he would still love her as she used to be then..." (Blaise Pascal)

Joe, Saturday, 23 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I've changed my mind, I love relationships. They're fantastic. Depending on the type you're in. Sex is still useless though, I'm never having sex again in my life.

Ally, Sunday, 24 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Baby, I'm not the lovin' kind...

Oh wait, yes I am. I've been with the same person for the better part of a decade (discounting one year hiatus) and it's definitely worth the trouble. We're not just in a relationship. We're co-conspirators. It's the coolest thing.

Kim, Sunday, 24 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ally: Good. That means we don't have to worry about your children.

JM, Monday, 25 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i often notice a kind of cool anti-relationship attitude from people who are *artistically enclined* or *hip* or whatever, as though its something that, like, those dull suburban normal types do, coz they're, like, not complex and interesting and shit.

being in a relationship is great. not being in a relationship is a great too. damn, i had a point here and i've forgotten it!

gareth, Monday, 25 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

It's denial, Gareth: a relationship would be topping, hurrah, but most likely it wd get in the way of my work, which comes first. So: no to relationship.

"Those grapes were sour, anyway," said the fox to himself as he sloped off...

mark s, Monday, 25 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

If you're basically a fairly happy person who for whatever reason, doesn't do the type of things that gets you into relationships very often, then you can either spend all sorts of mental energy wondering what you're doing wrong, and attempt to alter your behaviour accordingly or just get on with your life. If doing the latter makes you 'hip' and 'artistically inclined' then so be it. This doesn't stop you being an incorrigible romantic, by the way. In fact rampant romanticism probably has a strong negative correlation with amount of time spent in relationships.

Nick, Monday, 25 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Hang on Nick, Gareth did not say that being single and getting on with things made you hip or artistically inclined. He said that people who consider themselves so sometimes seem to have a sniffy attitude to relationships. Not the same thing at all.

About incorrigible romantics: do you think that rampant romanticism leads to a sort of perfectionism when it comes to love/relationships which therefore leads to disappointment when grubby reality gets in the way?

Richard Tunnicliffe, Monday, 25 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yes, sorry - you're right. Although perhaps accepting yourself as basically a single person frequently involves adopting a certain disdain for other people's relationships. I'm overstating this. Some of my best friends are couples, etc.

do you think that rampant romanticism leads to a sort of perfectionism when it comes to love/relationships which therefore leads to disappointment when grubby reality gets in the way?

Well, duh! Of course!

Nick, Monday, 25 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yeah. Just checking there wasn't anything more to it. Brane not fully engaged this morning.

Richard Tunnicliffe, Monday, 25 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I would just like to offer my support behind the hypothesis put forth by Nick & Richard, and offer myself as the Poster Boy for the cause.

David Raposa, Monday, 25 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

two weeks pass...
Darn it, I want to know more about Nick D and his interesting non- relationship romanticism. I wonder whether he will oblige.

the pinefox, Friday, 13 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I thought great but my boy and i are having trouble so dud .

anthony, Friday, 13 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Alls I know is... I'm getting laid tonight and you lot aren't. So nee-ner nee-ner nee-ner. (That is, if Paul ever quits doing stupid club stuff and gets around to getting down. Damn this club!)

(Boy will I regret this second bottle of wine when I wake up.)

masonic boom, Friday, 13 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Hard... to... post... when... Kate... dragging me... into... bedroom..... yikes!!!! ;)

Paul Strange, Friday, 13 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'm still waiting for Nick D to come back to me on this Romanticism thing.

Hey - maybe he's off somewhere having a Relationship.

the pinefox, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Gosh, that would be exciting. I'm hoping.

Ally C, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I just canned out of a long term (my standards) "relationship". Life seems exciting.

duane, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

ARRRRRRRRRGH. Relationships are great, fantastic, perfect, except for when he calls at 2 in the morning when I'm sleeping off the weekend and trying to get to work early to make sure I "got home okay", even though I've been home for 5 HOURS NOW. YOU GO TO BED, NOW, NO CALL AFTER 1, TIME FOR SLEEP, GOOD NIGHT.

Then my roommate starts up again and it all makes me want to kill myself.

I'm just exhausted sorry.

Ally, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

nine years pass...

Human Relationships 2010

[5:49:27 PM] Girl: no its not that its just i been really thinking like ive been looking at everything ..and myself an like my feeling have changed
[5:49:34 PM] Boy: what do you mean?
[5:49:40 PM] Boy: are you mad at me>
[5:50:45 PM] Girl: no noel im not mad at you ..i just dont no if i love you anymore..i no this is out of the blue but ive been thinkin for weeks and i dont no what to do because im confused and i dont wanna upset you but i cant keep thinking about it cos its driving me mad
[5:51:05 PM] Boy: ............
[5:51:12 PM] Boy: are you trolling me?
[5:51:21 PM] Girl: no for once [boy] im

Cunga, Wednesday, 20 October 2010 00:36 (fifteen years ago)

not
[5:51:32 PM] Boy: im all for trolling but like this week wouldnt be a good week for it

Cunga, Wednesday, 20 October 2010 00:37 (fifteen years ago)

ten months pass...

i think i function better with another person in my life, a s.o. i know that i am really annoying, i annoy myself, anyway, so it's tough i guess. having difficult wknd bad sunday experience. yah i feel really alone and all of this energy gets channeled in the wrong directions.

dell (del), Sunday, 4 September 2011 14:25 (fourteen years ago)

had a chat with an ex-girlfriend last night out of nowhere she was like "you were the most interesting person i ever dated", which is weird to hear from someone who is married with children. in itself, does not pay the rent or deliver me oxytocin, netflix style. yeh so i dunno. it's just tough to be sometimes, regardless of whether you are with yr dreamboat i guess

dell (del), Sunday, 4 September 2011 14:37 (fourteen years ago)

I've unwittingly found myself in a LDR. Wha happen'd?

Trip Maker, Sunday, 4 September 2011 14:51 (fourteen years ago)

i guess you guys appreciate each other

dell (del), Sunday, 4 September 2011 14:52 (fourteen years ago)

I was once an incurable LDR addict. I loved 'em. I loathed 'em sometimes too, but I seemed to repeatedly fall into long distance relationships, well 3 different times anyway, however unworkable they may have been. There's an indescribable rush in the few days preceding a visit to a long-distance significant other - no matter how badly things were going at home, the immediate future looked bright. Suitcases and airline tickets took on an aphrodisiac quality.

Of course, as with all highs, you inevitably come crashing down on the long, lonely flight or drive home, as the realization hits that it will be another six weeks before I see her again. In many ways, I think LDRs work *because* we couldn't see each other very often, and our rare moments together became all the more precious.

Be careful though - LDRs can get really expensive unless one or both of your jobs pay for your travel.

Lee547 (Lee626), Sunday, 4 September 2011 15:12 (fourteen years ago)

six years pass...

Lord knows I embarrassingly filled up several dating advice threads on this board going on about my relationship foibles.

Weirdly, I'm on the other end of the spectrum now. Only like 4-5 years ago, I felt empty if I wasn't in a relationship and tended to be a bad choice of partners as I'd often date anybody who was willing to have me.

Now I don't feel like dating anybody and prefer the existence I've eked out. I'm extremely social and hang around people all the time, but anything romantic (even things that don't require commitment like sex/makeout sessions), I've tended to avoid as I tend to be overly cautious.

Right now, I have someone who is trying to get me to go out with them, but I have a variety of reasons why I won't. Idk...I like sex and even being a romantic but I feel like I lost the ability to do it?

not even a *bad* thing really, just a weird one!

fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 27 December 2017 02:06 (eight years ago)


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