how affectionate are you? openly, i mean. and how was it in your family when you were little?

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my family wasnt the 'affectionate type' with hugs or shows of love.
i dont recall any times when we did this kind of thing when i was growing up.
as an adult now, i have learned to express affection more freely and with less embarrassment, and i think of my parents and feel really sad that we were not like that with each other. i can tell that now my mum wants hugs and closeness, but is unable to express it and as for my dad, well hell, i think he may just keel over if any one of us showed him affection apart from the normal 'brief hug' hello ( we all live in different towns ).
i dont want my son to grow up feeling so stifled in this way, it was quite hard for me to learn to let go and just hug a friend or reach out to someone i care for.
is your family the same or did you grow up in one of those nice 'huggy households'? if you did, was it good?

donna (donna), Friday, 22 November 2002 00:43 (twenty-three years ago)

we're not a huggy/physically affectionate family. i sometimes feel awkward when i'm in huggy company, which i quite often am.

mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Friday, 22 November 2002 00:50 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm not touchy-feely at all, but I'm not shy about public displays of affection. Depends on the situation and how affectionate the other person is, though -- sometimes I mind it, often I don't.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 22 November 2002 00:54 (twenty-three years ago)

My mother was very touchy feely affectionate, which is odd because the rest of my family were not that way at all, in fact, quite the reverse.

Me, I can't stand physical affection. In fact, I generally hate to be touched, by anyone, at any time, like, even by accident. Even if you are Bret fucking Anderson, do not touch me when I'm not expecting it. Until I get drunk, and then I am the most affectionate, annoying, huggy, touchy feely, clingy, PDA, shoving my tongue down random strangers of any sex whatsoever, probably because I'm so starved for physical contact the rest of the time.

I know it's odd, and this probably says loads about my fucked up psychological makeup, but I'm too tired to figure out what it means, and quite frankly, I'd rather think about Julian Casablancas' ass. So long as I don't actually have to touch it.

kate, Friday, 22 November 2002 00:56 (twenty-three years ago)

i'm affectionate. but not really with family. with friends i am, but i'm never thatsure when its ppropriate, so i kind of end up being not particularly affectoniate lots, because i'm not often that sure when people like it

gareth (gareth), Friday, 22 November 2002 01:32 (twenty-three years ago)

i'm not very... most of my friends who are girls get hugs, they get kisses from most of my other friends. there is a small group of male friends that would get hugs after long absences, sometimes uncomfortably. no hugs for the family generally, except maybe my sister and step-sisters. i don't tell anyone that i love them.

i think this may have more to do with later stuff, rather than how my family was when i was little. my fam was not super-affectionate, but by no means overly repressed

ron (ron), Friday, 22 November 2002 01:48 (twenty-three years ago)

i am the only person i know who kisses his dad and grandfather on the lips (no tongue)

boxcubed (boxcubed), Friday, 22 November 2002 01:52 (twenty-three years ago)

kate is OTM about everything except Ju-Lo's ass.

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Friday, 22 November 2002 01:52 (twenty-three years ago)

I really don't like pointless hugging with people I don't know that well. It's very teenage girly. My family weren't hugely affectionate when I was growing up, so I've only really been getting used to being affectionate with other people over the last couple of years. I like hugging etc, but I tend to jump and get a fright when I'm not expecting it.

Elisabeth (Elisabeth), Friday, 22 November 2002 02:10 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm pretty affectionate, esp when drunk. My family was always open about that stuff so that's seldom a problem for me now. I'm fairly shy by nature but I overcome it pretty easily. The last time I made out w/someone was on the subways drunk and it was pretty spectacle-making-of-self, not that I cared. I don't generally get it on in public, though, thank God.

M Matos (M Matos), Friday, 22 November 2002 02:58 (twenty-three years ago)

My family was always very openly affectionate (my mom's a lot shorter than my dad, and they have a couple of stepstools around the house that are exactly the right height for her to stand on to kiss him). I thought it was great, & still do. I always have the impulse to be super-affectionate and touchy-feely with my friends, but tend to suppress that impulse ruthlessly so as not to freak people out.

Douglas, Friday, 22 November 2002 06:14 (twenty-three years ago)

that last sentence, Douglas, is OTM for me as well

M Matos (M Matos), Friday, 22 November 2002 06:49 (twenty-three years ago)

We're understatedly affectionate in my family. That works.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 22 November 2002 06:57 (twenty-three years ago)

so you are the black sheep then

Josh (Josh), Friday, 22 November 2002 07:42 (twenty-three years ago)

Jess is a prick.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 22 November 2002 08:05 (twenty-three years ago)

where did that come from?

M Matos (M Matos), Friday, 22 November 2002 08:39 (twenty-three years ago)

See the other threads.

(nb: I like Jess.)

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 22 November 2002 08:58 (twenty-three years ago)

Like this one.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 22 November 2002 08:59 (twenty-three years ago)

And this.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 22 November 2002 09:00 (twenty-three years ago)

ah.

M Matos (M Matos), Friday, 22 November 2002 09:05 (twenty-three years ago)

You had to be there.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 22 November 2002 09:11 (twenty-three years ago)

oh, I was, starting on the roommate thread

M Matos (M Matos), Friday, 22 November 2002 09:13 (twenty-three years ago)

I hate those really emotionally dishonest shits that hug any old geezer at the tip of a hat. This thread reminds me of an incident that occurred to me early this year, during the first few weeks of University:

I was waiting outside a lecture theatre when I saw some people I'd met before. As I approached their group (they were sitting on the ground) this girl sitting furthest from me (a huge, hideous behemoth of a thing) squawked "HI! MY NAME'S DAWN! I'D GET UP AND HUG YOU BUT YOU'RE TOO FAR AWAY!"

I felt like screaming at her, "What the fuck is your hug supposed to mean to me, or anyone else for that matter, if you're prepared to hug a total stranger? You don't know me. I could be the most horrible person in the world, and yet you want to hug me. Die!"

*ahem*

In contrast to the above, I'm actually quite an affectionate type. I hug my close female friends, and my closest male friends. I'd actually like to hug a lot of my male friends, but at the moment it still seems a bit weird for them.

I've actually noticed this the most recently because I've been saying a lot of goodbyes as I'm going away for 8 months. Where I feel like hugging them there seems to be this awkward silence and much foot-shuffling abounds.

Andrew (enneff), Friday, 22 November 2002 09:15 (twenty-three years ago)

My parents were always very warm to me. I can't really remember how physically affectionate they were, but I suspect I did receive a lot of hugs as a kid.

I suspect the world would be a significantly better place if people were to be more touchy-feely (in the non-creepy way, that is).

Andrew (enneff), Friday, 22 November 2002 09:17 (twenty-three years ago)

There was a lot of hugging at university I recall. At least it wasn't air kissing though. Now I tend to hug my close friends if I haven't seen them for a while, or you know, if they just need a hug. I hug my dad and sister on seeing them but with my mum I also random-hug throughout the day if I'm at her house. Or cuddle up to her on the sofa. (Basically I regress). Oh, and I hug/cuddle Matt all the time of course. Cuddly boyfriends are a must.

The word 'hug' looks very funny to me now.

Archel (Archel), Friday, 22 November 2002 10:17 (twenty-three years ago)

what's your definition of "non-creepy" then? that it's ok for someone to hug you as long as they don't look like a "hideous behemoth?" that you don't allow anyone to get close to you if you don't like their L0OKS?

humanity really is a fucking cesspit.

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 22 November 2002 10:49 (twenty-three years ago)

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo it's friday, noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 22 November 2002 10:52 (twenty-three years ago)

i suspect andrew means non-creepy as in people who have some genuine feeling/affection for you, rather than those people who are just slimy...

gareth (gareth), Friday, 22 November 2002 10:58 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm uncomfortable being hugged by other men as a)it's usually unexpected and therefore b) I instinctively flinch which makes me c) feel like a cold fish. The same pretty much goes for women I don't know.

Gordon (Gordon), Friday, 22 November 2002 11:00 (twenty-three years ago)

he said "emotionally dishonest shits." how does he know? maybe she was just being friendly. maybe it wasn't corporate hug-a-freshie time. but he decided that she looked like a "hideous behemoth." so he's never gonna know, is he?

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 22 November 2002 11:02 (twenty-three years ago)

oops, didnt see him post the behemoth thing (was looking at the wrong post).

512 new answers by noon?

gareth (gareth), Friday, 22 November 2002 11:03 (twenty-three years ago)

heheh, no gareth i'm leaving this thread alone now and wandering off to the fap glasgow thread for a bit...

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 22 November 2002 11:10 (twenty-three years ago)

I am affectionate towards my father and mother but my brother doesn't allow me to be because he thinks it's a bit 'strange' (the idiot!). Towards others I think I can be but I've hardly have any friends so there...

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 22 November 2002 11:12 (twenty-three years ago)

You Anglo-Saxons are so cold! Cold! In Quebec, the two-cheek is a standard greeting among many ethnic groups.

Miss Laura, Friday, 22 November 2002 11:12 (twenty-three years ago)

Marcello, you've got me all wrong.

My issue with the behemoth is that she doesn't know me, and thus she cannot have any emotional connection with me whatsoever. Why does she want to hug me? I don't know, and I don't really care. To simply hug someone as a form of introduction seems a bit emotionally dishonest to me. (perhaps I'm just weird) This is the kind of behaviour I qualify as 'creepy'.

What I was trying to say is that people who have established a relationship should touch each other more. I see no real benefit for strangers to just go touching each other, because you'd never know whether they think it's appropriate or not, and people might be put in a situation where they think it'd be impolite to refuse a hug that they desperately want to escape.


If you have never met someone before, the only thing you can be attracted to is their looks. Thus, if you find someone aesthetically unattractive, you'll have a hard time being attracted to someone.

If you have met someone before, you may find them attractive even though aesthetically you're not too thrilled by them. Other aspects (ie their personality) can come into play and make you find them quite attractive indeed.

You become attracted to your friends, because you like them. That's why I'm not adverse to being hugged or touched by them.

I am not attracted to strangers that are aesthetically unpleasing to me. That is why I do not want to be hugged by them.

Am I some sort of horrible monster for feeling this way?

Andrew (enneff), Friday, 22 November 2002 11:29 (twenty-three years ago)

yes. but then most human beings feel exactly the same way you do. so all humanity is made up of horrible monsters. enjoy your life.

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 22 November 2002 13:39 (twenty-three years ago)

I hug people all the time. I come from a very tactile family. I have to really remind myself not to kiss my friend Martin because it makes him flinch and then feel guilty about flinching.


I also worry that maybe I am turning into one of those actressy women whose perfume is too strong, lipstick too bright and affections too easy.

[next UK poster to write 'Only turning?' will either be kissed or shot in accordance with which would be more painful.]

Anna (Anna), Friday, 22 November 2002 13:57 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm very affectionate with my fiancee and not with anyone else. I have occasionally wanted to give sad friends a hug but I don't know how really and it would probably be awkward.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 22 November 2002 13:58 (twenty-three years ago)

A friend of mine gave me an absolutely massive ostentatious hug this week when I walked into a lecture and it was pretty funny. Beyond this I guess I am not too openly affectionate, not physically anyway, though I do give a good warm greeting I hope, to those I like.

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 22 November 2002 14:02 (twenty-three years ago)

Um, wasn't Andrew saying that if he GOT TO KNOW these strangers who are not aesthetically pleasing he'd maybe like them/be into HUGGING etc them? you sound convinced of the EVIL of human nature, and of yr own hideousness.

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 22 November 2002 14:02 (twenty-three years ago)

Marcello, I mean. And btw I doubt yr Evil or Hideous.

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 22 November 2002 14:08 (twenty-three years ago)

why say it then?

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 22 November 2002 14:11 (twenty-three years ago)

Because you implied it yourself by saying "all humanity is made up of horrible monsters", I imagine?

Archel (Archel), Friday, 22 November 2002 14:22 (twenty-three years ago)

Strangers=evil ugly unknown MONSTERS, til you meet them

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 22 November 2002 14:26 (twenty-three years ago)

EXACTLY.

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 22 November 2002 14:30 (twenty-three years ago)

I like being hugged but I feel awkward hugging. I don't think it's because of my family, though. I've just always felt weird hugging because of my height. It makes me feel like a giant. My dad, however, is nice to hug because he's way taller than I am and makes me feel little again.

Sarah McLusky (coco), Friday, 22 November 2002 14:30 (twenty-three years ago)

My parents were nice. But we've never been a kissing type of family. I don't like hugging people or being hugged.

*personal bubble*

jel -- (jel), Friday, 22 November 2002 18:25 (twenty-three years ago)

yes, very affectionate to people I like. My family are lovely, and though my parents are the huggiest (probably average), I had a nanny for the first 9 years of my life who was like a second mum and was *really* affectionate. I think it's made me a better person.

Mark C (Mark C), Friday, 22 November 2002 18:46 (twenty-three years ago)

if a cigar burn on the arm for spilling paint in the garage is considered affectionate then I'm all over it.

Chris V. (Chris V), Friday, 22 November 2002 18:54 (twenty-three years ago)

I hug and kiss people [ie girls] goodbye all the time, when it feels right (which to me is: when it doesn't feel very very wrong). Andrew's huggy girl sounds really cool and friendly, like she doesn't view anyone with supsicion. I like that.

My parents, erm, I never show any affection to them, and they never show any to me, though my mum makes a valiant attempt at kissing me when I leave for a long time at university.

Graham (graham), Friday, 22 November 2002 18:56 (twenty-three years ago)

I have to really remind myself not to kiss my friend Martin because it makes him flinch and then feel guilty about flinching

Tragically Anna is not talking about me.

My parents never kissed or held hands that I saw - and they had a huge bolster (=long pillow, for those unfamiliar with these things) down the middle of their bed, so they didn't accidentally touch each other in their sleep, or something. So I don't initiate hugs and kisses very easily, but I really like both. My new girlfriend and I stretched a ten minute walk to an hour and a half last Friday night with excessive amounts of both, and it was wonderful. A couple of friends tend to initiate such things, and I respond enthusiastically, but I tend to assume people don't want to be hugged by me, so I don't start such things.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 22 November 2002 20:30 (twenty-three years ago)

my parents hugged a lot when we were little, less now but we still have some family hugging; i hug some of my friends frequently and some not at all. the reason i hug some more than others is that i don't want to invade their space, so i let them initiate, and i end up hugging other people who are touchy and not hugging people who aren't really. i wouldn't hug someone i'd just barely met, either, that's what handshakes are for.

Maria (Maria), Friday, 22 November 2002 21:32 (twenty-three years ago)

Martin, one wonders whether your parents should have just invested in separate beds. Weird. (or maybe very normal?)

Marcello, you suck. If you're going to sit around condemning everyone because they make judgements on people's physical appearance, then you should just grow up. What a waste of time.

Andrew (enneff), Saturday, 23 November 2002 00:50 (twenty-three years ago)

My family was never very demonstrative, and accordingly I'm normally not. One really frightening discovery from several of my past relationships was that just as I would start to feel comfortable with PDA, he would switch to the "let's just be friends" mode.

I also get to feeling affectionate and demonstrative when I'm drunk. But because I'm so insecure I keep it all bottled inside because I'm afraid that whoever I grab will happen to be repulsed by me. Then because I'm behaving so decorously even though I'm drunk I begin fearing that people think that I'm some sort of snottynosed priss (not true, even if my behavior would suggest that). Then I begin fearing that I AM some sort of snottynosed priss, in spite of my filthy mind and general approval of misbehavior. Then this plus the unrequited lust I tend to be feeling at any given time spirals into total mentalism. Maybe I should just give up everything right now and turn myself in at St. Elizabeth's.

j.lu (j.lu), Saturday, 23 November 2002 01:05 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm not unless I like a person. usually.

a wee while ago...I was outside and walking around. it was night time. and me and a friend of mine [allyC] were heading to this comedy club. and there was this guy lurking by a piece of grass. and then, suddenly, he said "richard!" and walked towards us, out of the dark. and I realised it was this guy I went to high school with. I liked him, he was a nice guy. I hadn't seen him in almost a year. as he walked towards us he opened his arms and hugged me bigtime. I was a little surprised but only in a surprised way. later on ally said that he thought the guy seemed like a nice one and I said "haha, yeah, he's a nice guy...but I didn't expect that hug!" and ally said "the hug--that's what made me think he was a nice guy!!"

RJG (RJG), Saturday, 23 November 2002 01:13 (twenty-three years ago)

You make sense, Andrew, but I can't begin to speculate on their weird behaviour.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 23 November 2002 11:00 (twenty-three years ago)


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