Israel/Palestine post 10/7 - follow-on events/thoughts as relate to other countries

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As stated.

The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 26 October 2023 17:16 (six months ago) link

I guess this thread is the place for this — I got a press release from our local Sheriff's Office today saying they'd had many media queries about "anti-Jewish Rhetoric being distributed" being distributed in our county. (Apologies for the weird capitalized "rhetoric," our Sheriff's Office is only quasi-literate.) It just said that their major crimes and gang units were "looking into the matter," with no further detail.

I haven't seen examples of what this is referring to, and it struck me that it could be either our local Nazi/Proud Boy types out there distributing horrible leaflets, OR it could be student-led "Free Palestine" social media posts or something, and those things seem like they're increasingly being conflated.

Best piece I've read on literary culture at this time. Hard not to conclude the whole thing is a disgrace.

https://thebaffler.com/latest/at-the-threshold-of-humanity-kattan

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 1 November 2023 22:27 (six months ago) link

Don't know much about this organization but this seems like one way to counteract those who try to stir hate:

The pro-Palestine protesters made it clear that the masked neo-Nazis were not welcome, chanting “Nazis Go Home,” and “show your faces, you fucking cowards,” the Daily Montanan reported.

That is just one of the tactics that organizers of pro-Palestine solidarity protests can use to make clear to neo-Nazis that they are not welcome in that movement, according to Ben Lorber, an extremism expert who is working on a book about antisemitism. “It is vital for Palestine liberation organizers and progressive activists to recognize and counter far-right actors who stand diametrically opposed to the movement’s principles and goals,” Lorber wrote in a recent guide for organizers.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/k7zx5a/neo-nazis-hijack-pro-palestine-protest-mike-enoch

Personally, I find it much better to see an effort to recognize and counteract this kind of thing, rather than dismissing or denying that it exists

felicity, Wednesday, 1 November 2023 22:40 (six months ago) link

that's encouraging

symsymsym, Thursday, 2 November 2023 01:00 (six months ago) link

Black-Jewish Alliance ✊🏿✡
@BlackJewishA
Police are attempting to arrest Jews in prayer.

We shout “let us pray” for Palestine.

The police have confiscated copies of our speeches.

GET YOUR COP HANDS OFF OUR JEWISH COMRADES

Video of harassment within that tweet.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 2 November 2023 10:52 (six months ago) link

https://www.theartnewspaper.com/2023/11/02/frick-museum-in-pittsburgh-postpones-islamic-art-exhibition-over-fears-it-would-appear-insensitive-or-traumatic-amid-gaza-war

“When war broke out in the Middle East, we were as heartbroken as everyone, and we realised that we were about to open an exhibition that a forgiving person would call insensitive, but for many people, especially in our community, would be traumatic.”

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 2 November 2023 15:13 (six months ago) link

it's so insensitive and traumatic that muslims exist

Left, Thursday, 2 November 2023 15:21 (six months ago) link

this whole thing is so devastating.

real warm grandpa (Neanderthal), Thursday, 2 November 2023 15:21 (six months ago) link

This is where stuff like "It would be insensitive to publish this book about Soviet dissidents at this time" leads to.

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Thursday, 2 November 2023 15:28 (six months ago) link

yeah that is obviously ridiculous

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 2 November 2023 15:44 (six months ago) link

An Israeli air strike on the Bureij refugee camp today

https://x.com/ramabdu/status/1720067423238308122

Preach The Crapen (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 2 November 2023 15:50 (six months ago) link

If you use this thread on anything going on in Gaza or Israel.

Israel, Palestine & the Levant rolling events: Oct 23 on

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 2 November 2023 15:52 (six months ago) link

The dissonance in reading about individuals expressing concerns about anti-Semitic violence rising in North America while 400 Arab children are dying every day in Gaza is, frankly, enraging

I have seen videos of anti-Semitic violence over the past week. These videos are exclusively Jewish peace protesters getting harassed by cops in North America, Orthodox Jewish peace protesters getting beaten by Israeli Police in Israel

My heart is ripped in two for my Jewish friends who are saying “not in my name” and being disowned, being called “self-hating Jews”, or— as the Times Of Jerusalem said in an op-ed two days ago: “anti-Zionists who claim to be Jewish are as Jewish as the Westboro Baptist Church that claimed to be Christian”

Jfc just because you’re saying “stop bombing Gaza” doesn’t make you “anti-Zionist”, to begin with

I was bothered by a now ex-friend who told me “how can you call it Gazan genocide when they (the Gazans) procreate so quickly”; fine, first I will block you and never speak to you again, second I will call it something else. What, tho? Israel already doesn’t acknowledge a nakba exists. Anti-war Jews are liberally calling it a holocaust, a shoah; those terms are not allowed to me as a non-Jew.

I feel like one can’t even call it “war” or “a conflict”; Gideon Levy argued that it is neither of these things, that it is a violent occupation, nothing more

Haaretz today reports Netanyahu’s latest speech: “nothing can stop us”.

Preach The Crapen (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 2 November 2023 16:03 (six months ago) link

Anyway, 9000 Gazans dead today, 3 hostages returned, congrats everyone

Preach The Crapen (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 2 November 2023 16:05 (six months ago) link

“anti-Zionists who claim to be Jewish are as Jewish as the Westboro Baptist Church that claimed to be Christian”

I mean ... fwiw, I do think a very not insignificant number of Christians are let's just say in Westboro's ballpark, if not on the same base

Dwigt Rortugal (Eric H.), Thursday, 2 November 2023 16:12 (six months ago) link

"I was bothered by a now ex-friend who told me “how can you call it Gazan genocide when they (the Gazans) procreate so quickly”"

So much hate.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 2 November 2023 16:12 (six months ago) link

(xp Not the point of the thread, I know, sorry)

Dwigt Rortugal (Eric H.), Thursday, 2 November 2023 16:13 (six months ago) link

"The dissonance in reading about individuals expressing concerns about anti-Semitic violence rising in North America while 400 Arab children are dying every day in Gaza is, frankly, enraging"

posters on this board are worried about their children being bullied at school for being Jewish

symsymsym, Thursday, 2 November 2023 16:16 (six months ago) link

Sorry if my posts were emotional or “in the wrong thread” I shouldn’t post when I’m in a news consumption crying spiral, and I shouldn’t read pro-violence NYT articles (or the NYT at all), I am going to call a friend

Preach The Crapen (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 2 November 2023 16:16 (six months ago) link

I agree with everything else in your post, but you can be horrified by the massacre of innocents in Gaza (and the West Bank) while also being worried about anti-semitic violence

symsymsym, Thursday, 2 November 2023 16:18 (six months ago) link

Tbh, the biggest “holy shit what are you guys doing” anti-Semitism concern over the past week has been seeing people on social media cheering on “Yemen declares war on Israel” when it’s the Houthis declaring war, not the Yemeni gvmt, and if anybody is cheering for Houthis then we have a big fucking problem

Preach The Crapen (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 2 November 2023 16:22 (six months ago) link

I have been seeing the odd report of AS attacks across Europe now, like this one.

A Moldovan couple arrested for allegedly spray-painting Stars of David on a Paris school last week reportedly told investigators they were acting on orders from an “individual in Russia.”https://t.co/VvJOmmoCAh

— The Daily Beast (@thedailybeast) November 2, 2023

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 2 November 2023 16:28 (six months ago) link

in the larger world, the anti-semitism is probably largely being driven by people who care less about the plight of the Palestinian people and care more about being anti-semitic, and seeing an opportunity for an opening to be a bit more free with their bigotry.

omar little, Thursday, 2 November 2023 16:29 (six months ago) link

"zionist jews" now trending on twitter, that's that shit i don't like

is he disgruntled adrian? (voodoo chili), Thursday, 2 November 2023 16:30 (six months ago) link

Caitlyn Jenner's dead name is also trending there today, which says it all

Dwigt Rortugal (Eric H.), Thursday, 2 November 2023 16:33 (six months ago) link

sorry meant to post on the "is this anti-semitism?" thread

is he disgruntled adrian? (voodoo chili), Thursday, 2 November 2023 16:34 (six months ago) link

I thought this was pretty good:

You are criticizing Israel wrong. Here’s how to do it correctly. pic.twitter.com/DiwBTJOuiG

— Matt Lieb?? (@mattlieb) October 28, 2023

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Thursday, 2 November 2023 16:34 (six months ago) link

nice to finally see a video of Van Horn Street

symsymsym, Thursday, 2 November 2023 16:44 (six months ago) link

in the larger world, the anti-semitism is probably largely being driven by people who care less about the plight of the Palestinian people and care more about being anti-semitic, and seeing an opportunity for an opening to be a bit more free with their bigotry.

― omar little, Thursday, November 2, 2023 12:29 PM (ten minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

This is upsetting me a lot right now. I know it sounds naïve but I was genuinely surprised at how fast people seized the opportunity to be flat out anti-Semitic. I grew up spending 1/2 the year in a mostly Jewish community in NY where I as a gentile was often the odd one out. 3 of my 5 lifelong close friends are Jewish. I said to one of them yesterday that I think I grew up in this little bubble were I didn't realize how much anti-semitism there still was out there and he was like yeah no shit you're from NY. Anyway - there are a million upsetting things (upsetting isn't anywhere near strong enough) happening right now but I have been thinking a lot about exactly this, OL. :/

Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Thursday, 2 November 2023 16:49 (six months ago) link

it's not good. i have a friend who was indulging in some "deep thoughts" about judaism around the time kanye was on one about jewish people, and i had an instagram convo w/him re: a couple of his posts. i don't know that i reached him, but i tried. another friend (no longer a friend) started to get very alt-right and was an associate of ow3n b3njamin for awhile, a podcast comedian type guy who started to get into some anti-semitic and racist stuff a few years ago. that particular friend is long gone. he was at my wedding. he probably helped hold me up high in my chair during the hora. he just wound up being a particularly "bad actor" in life. and a pernicious influence on others.

omar little, Thursday, 2 November 2023 17:04 (six months ago) link

i live in a bubble in Los Angeles obv, but shit does happen here. threats against synagogues, anti-semitic graffiti on a famous local deli last night, etc...

omar little, Thursday, 2 November 2023 17:05 (six months ago) link

the Poetry Foundation shelved a 3500-word review of a poetry book that discusses the book's criticisms of Israel...the poet author of the book is, of course, Jewish, and so is the reviewer.

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Thursday, 2 November 2023 17:11 (six months ago) link

The donor pocketbook is where artistic freedom hits a wall

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Thursday, 2 November 2023 17:31 (six months ago) link

This is where stuff like "It would be insensitive to publish this book about Soviet dissidents at this time" leads to.

― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes)

yeah that is obviously ridiculous

― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive)

Reflexive censorship of art always seems to crop up when wars begin and wartime propaganda cranks up the red hot rhetoric. Even as recently as the invasion of Ukraine there were ridiculous people calling for cancellation of symphonies by Russian composers as a sign of solidarity with Ukrainians.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 2 November 2023 18:41 (six months ago) link

O rly

If a HAMAS sympathizer or a HAMAS-adjacent amateur lone wolf carries out a gun attack in the USA killing more than 10 people in the name is Palestine … this poll will flip like a flapjack. https://t.co/NkWdyaliV7

— Malcolm Nance (@MalcolmNance) November 2, 2023

papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 2 November 2023 22:44 (six months ago) link

and if my granny had wheels, she'd be a bicycle. I like the specificity of ten or more people, it shows a vigorous imagination.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 2 November 2023 23:27 (six months ago) link

Reflexive censorship of art always seems to crop up when wars begin and wartime propaganda cranks up the red hot rhetoric. Even as recently as the invasion of Ukraine there were ridiculous people calling for cancellation of symphonies by Russian composers as a sign of solidarity with Ukrainians.

― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, November 2, 2023 1:41 PM (five hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
My kid’s teacher canceled their Russia unit. Like I really don’t think it matters to Ukrainian lives whether our kids are learning about faberge eggs and Baryshnikov

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 3 November 2023 00:07 (six months ago) link

re: that poll.. I'm not really sure that Israel needs much military support anyway... they're a major arms manufacturer/exporter, inventors of the Uzi submachine gun. And they seemed to have no issues selling arms to South Africa's white minority government

Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 3 November 2023 00:15 (six months ago) link

and yet the House just approved 14.5 billion in aide to Israel for some reason

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, 3 November 2023 01:01 (six months ago) link

$4 billion for the Iron Dome, which kind of seems like locking the gate after the dog gets out.

papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 3 November 2023 01:15 (six months ago) link

14.5 billion in aide to Israel for some reason

er, mm, by long tradition all those billions can only be spent on armaments produced by US-based death merchants military-industrial complex manufacturers.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 3 November 2023 02:36 (six months ago) link

And lots of defence contracting

xyzzzz__, Friday, 3 November 2023 10:13 (six months ago) link

Protests are being planned for Armistice Day. Looks like the match will be lit on the tiniest pretence

"They died for your freedom, but don't you dare think about exercising it." https://t.co/xyCICKV35j

— James B (@piercepenniless) November 3, 2023

xyzzzz__, Friday, 3 November 2023 14:09 (six months ago) link

Clare Hymer
@ClareHymer
HAPPENING NOW: Another peaceful sit-in calling for a ceasefire in Gaza, this time at Kings Cross Station.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 3 November 2023 18:16 (six months ago) link

the only additional freedoms that came because of GB participation in the world wars was the bankrupting and partial destruction of an evil global empire and the resultant decline arguably sped up the process of decolonisation that followed. "Protect our freedoms" my fucking arsehole, it was a warfare state that forced conscripts onto the battlefield, which is the absolute opposite of freedom.

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Friday, 3 November 2023 18:32 (six months ago) link

David Adler
@davidrkadler
New bill in the French 🇫🇷 Senate : 'An insult committed against the State of Israel is punishable by two years of imprisonment and a fine of 75,000 euros.'

xyzzzz__, Friday, 3 November 2023 20:42 (six months ago) link

I don't even want to paste in what Germany are doing, just utterly disgusting

xyzzzz__, Friday, 3 November 2023 20:53 (six months ago) link

Belgian transport workers saved the lives of thousands of Jews in the 1940s by unlocking the doors of trains headed for the extermination camps. Now, they're refusing to load weapons onto ships headed to Israel. This is a meaningful & timeless solidarity with humanity. pic.twitter.com/kvcUMcnJd7

— Amro Ali (@_amroali) November 3, 2023

xyzzzz__, Friday, 3 November 2023 22:06 (six months ago) link

Put me wherever you want: misguided socialist, toothless humanist, naïve novelist, useful idiot, apologist, denier, ally, contrarian, collaborator, traitor, inexcusable coward.

I'm your hell, I'm your dream I'm nothing in between

papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 19:03 (one week ago) link

Unperson, thanks for sharing that Twitter thread, sums up a lot I've been feeling about my adopted home (though my life here only very rarely intersects with the university)

I will eventually read it because the title infers it is about semantics but so far she has devoted paragraphs to climate change and seems to want to discuss “tactics” in re protest but has not used the word “tactics” when it is kinda the most obvious term due to being concise and related to the history of leftist protest / activism

sarahell, Tuesday, 7 May 2024 21:09 (one week ago) link

McSweeneys darling and alumnus turning out to be spoiled narcissist, story at 11

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Wednesday, 8 May 2024 02:41 (one week ago) link

timely push notification from the NYT today

BREAKING NEWS
Speaking at the Capitol, President Biden said there has been a “ferocious surge of antisemitism” in the United States since the Oct. 7 attacks in Israel.

an earlier version noted that this speech was part of a holocaust remembrance day ceremony

mookieproof, Wednesday, 8 May 2024 03:41 (one week ago) link

Salaita on the Z. Smith piece:

Smith speaks of activism that can lead to arrest or other forms of punishment, concluding that it “represents a level of personal sacrifice unimaginable to many of us.” This royal “us” betrays Smith’s position as outsider and poseur. In reality, sacrifice is eminently imaginable to the countless people who have chosen to act on their conscience and subsequently languished in prison, lost jobs and careers, or suffered exile and ostracism. It is eminently imaginable to the very students on whom Smith lavishes so much scorn. They are being punished in horrible ways and yet they keep going. Sacrifice isn’t unimaginable to “many of us.” It is unimaginable to Smith and her cohort of frivolous lickspittles. This she confirms a few sentences later with what is supposed to be a droll anecdote about her inability to give up travel to New York for the sake of the environment. “What pitiful ethical creatures we are (I am)!” she laments. This singular (and parenthetical) flash of self-awareness, meant to be ironic and thus venial, is the only aspect of the essay worth the reader’s attention.

https://stevesalaita.com/our-your-pitiful-ethics-a-response-to-zadie-smiths-shibboleth

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Wednesday, 8 May 2024 15:07 (one week ago) link

Years ago, a friend of mine once told me she was on the subway reading the New Yorker, and a man with a French accent sort of accosted her and said "This magazine -- what is it supposed to be about? It seems to me it is about nothing." More and more I think that is apt.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 8 May 2024 15:10 (one week ago) link

Thanks for that. xpost

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 May 2024 15:13 (one week ago) link

Nah, The New Yorker still publishes first-rate reporting. Then they'll publish an issue like last week's that I threw in the trash, it was so content-free.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 May 2024 15:14 (one week ago) link

Yeah, it's spotty enough that I just look at the stack whenever I visit my parents and take one or two home with me for toilet reading.

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Wednesday, 8 May 2024 15:15 (one week ago) link

FWIW, the Zadie Smith essay -- like several other recent New Yorker articles that went viral (Clare Malone on Hasan Minhaj, Agnes Callard's "The Case Against Travel") -- was not published in the print magazine; it's online-only.

jaymc, Wednesday, 8 May 2024 15:29 (one week ago) link

man with a French accent sort of accosted her and said "This magazine -- what is it supposed to be about? It seems to me it is about nothing."

I have a French friend who has been subscribing to the New Yorker since he was a kid in the 1980s and still bemoans that France has no real equivalent to it

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 8 May 2024 15:37 (one week ago) link

President Biden paused an arms shipment to Israel last week to prevent the U.S.-made weapons from being used in a long-threatened assault on the city of Rafah, administration officials said on Tuesday night, a sign of the growing rift between the United States and Israel over the conduct of the war.

The president withheld 1,800 2,000-pound bombs and 1,700 500-pound bombs that he feared could be dropped on Rafah, where more than one million Gazans have taken refuge, the officials said. The administration is reviewing whether to hold back future transfers, including guidance kits that convert so-called dumb bombs into precision-guided munitions.

The decision to delay the delivery of the 3,500 bombs was the first time since the Oct. 7 Hamas-led terrorist attack that Mr. Biden has used his power to curtail arms as an instrument to influence Israel’s approach to the war that followed. A number of Mr. Biden’s Democratic allies in Congress have for weeks urged him to limit or halt arms shipments to Israel, something he had refused to do until now because of his strong support for the effort to destroy Hamas.

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Israeli officials disclosed the weapons pause to Axios earlier this week, but U.S. officials refused to confirm it either at briefings or privately until Tuesday night. The fact that they finally did so was a clear indication of how much frustration is growing among administration officials that their Israeli counterparts are not heeding U.S. warnings against a major operation in Rafah that could lead to extensive civilian casualties. Confirmation of the arms pause came just hours after Israel sent tanks into the city in southern Gaza.

One U.S. official said the administration began reviewing arms shipments last month when it became clear that Israel seemed to be reaching a decision on a Rafah operation. Mr. Biden initially took the position that Israel should not attack Rafah without a plan to effectively minimize civilian casualties, but in recent weeks the White House has increasingly indicated that it did not believe such a plan was even possible.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 May 2024 15:47 (one week ago) link

However:

The administration is not halting all weapons to Israel and, at this point, has not made a final determination on how to proceed with the bombs withheld last week. In fact, officials said the administration had just approved the latest tranche of aid amounting to $827 million worth of weapons and equipment. The administration intends to send “every dollar” of the money just appropriated by Congress, the officials said.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 May 2024 15:49 (one week ago) link

“we didn’t send this out of concern, instead we’re sending this because we actually don’t give a fuck”

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Wednesday, 8 May 2024 15:50 (one week ago) link

Wait who is being punished in horrible ways and sacrificing unimaginably? … college students camping out on campus? The Palestinian people certainly are. Idk about the students tbh.

sarahell, Wednesday, 8 May 2024 17:22 (one week ago) link

Students are being expelled and suspended, having healthcare and housing taken away, as well as being beaten by cops and fascists

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Wednesday, 8 May 2024 17:36 (one week ago) link

They’re also being stalked by fascists like the Canary Mission and etc

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Wednesday, 8 May 2024 17:36 (one week ago) link

Obviously this doesn't compare to the oppression of Palestinians, but I thought this piece on arrested students experiencing jail in Texas was interesting: https://www.dmagazine.com/frontburner/2024/05/what-my-students-and-i-learned-in-jail-after-protesting-on-the-ut-dallas-campus/

rob, Wednesday, 8 May 2024 17:47 (one week ago) link

That said, I think a salient feature of these protests that gets overlooked quite a bit is that some of the students & organizers are in fact Palestinian

rob, Wednesday, 8 May 2024 17:48 (one week ago) link

Sacrifice isn’t unimaginable to “many of us.”

I would take issue with this statement.

Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Wednesday, 8 May 2024 17:54 (one week ago) link

I agree with the point being made, I just think it’s a bit over-the-top, especially considering Smith seemed to struggle with being slightly inconvenienced for the sake of a cause

sarahell, Wednesday, 8 May 2024 19:11 (one week ago) link

Smith speaks of activism that can lead to arrest or other forms of punishment, concluding that it “represents a level of personal sacrifice unimaginable to many of us.”

So the article's not equating US college students with, like, lifelong political prisoners or populations under wartime - but the idea that attending a Palestine rally at US college campuses might at this point lead to "arrest or other forms of punishment" doesn't seem hyperbolic to me?

Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 8 May 2024 23:09 (one week ago) link

...Smith and her cohort of frivolous lickspittles

okay this is pretty good

Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 8 May 2024 23:37 (one week ago) link

The Philly police raided the Upenn encampment this morning.

Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Friday, 10 May 2024 13:59 (one week ago) link

As a Philadelphia native and a West Philly resident as well as an observer of the world at large, I can say with conviction that UPenn is one of the most evil, nefarious institutions in the entire United States.

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Friday, 10 May 2024 14:24 (one week ago) link

(that obviously was true before this morning, but the school loves driving the point home)

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Friday, 10 May 2024 14:25 (one week ago) link

UPenn vs Oakland PD?

sarahell, Friday, 10 May 2024 16:43 (one week ago) link

Though I am assuming UPenn is more intelligent by a country mile

sarahell, Friday, 10 May 2024 16:44 (one week ago) link

Wharton grads don't have the best rep these days, that's for sure.

Chyiv Kyiv (Fetchboy), Friday, 10 May 2024 17:38 (one week ago) link

I hear one is going to be our next President though

Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Friday, 10 May 2024 17:43 (one week ago) link

From Adam Johnson:

https://open.substack.com/pub/thecolumn/p/why-does-the-nyt-keep-lying-about

The stakes of this lie—or, at best, wishful thinking based on vibes and assumptions of White House necessary doublespeak—could not be higher. It’s not a small fact. Because if the Biden team can paint themselves as good-faith peacemakers “trying to end the war” simply running into headstrong Hamas and Israeli negotiators, then they morally and optically wash their hands of the on-going carnage. If they can show good intention, if not results, they can stem off the ever-growing anger of their arming, funding, and supporting Israel’s campaign of de-population and mass killing. When a 1,500-word article about Arab and Muslim anger over Biden begins by asserting that they’re mad despite “the president piling new pressure on Israel to end the war,” it makes those refusing to back him seem hot-headed, irrational and unmovable, which is entirely the point. But they have no reason to believe he’s actually trying to end the war, because—despite assertions made by the New York Times over and over again—the White House doesn’t claim it is. And if it is, indeed, secretly fine with Israel calling it, and leaving Hamas in Gaza, then this would be an explosive, 180-degree shift in policy the Times should probably dedicate a few reporters to clarifying and laying out. Absent this actual news reporting, their reporters and editors should probably stop making up peace-loving White House policy goals that we have no evidence exist.  

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Friday, 10 May 2024 22:12 (one week ago) link

NEW: The Biden administration just announced that it has accepted the Israeli government’s assurances that it is not violating U.S. or international law in its prosecution of the war in Gaza, a conclusion at odds with assessments made by the UN and international aid groups

— John Hudson (@John_Hudson) May 10, 2024

papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, 11 May 2024 01:05 (one week ago) link

lol cmon what

Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 11 May 2024 09:41 (one week ago) link

Regular accused criminals outta try this new defence out in the US courts I reckon

H.P, Sunday, 12 May 2024 12:40 (six days ago) link

Guys it's OK, they checked and they're not war criming. But good question!

And if it is, indeed, secretly fine with Israel calling it, and leaving Hamas in Gaza, then this would be an explosive, 180-degree shift in policy

It ... wouldn't, though? The line that Israel will have "lost" or "surrendered" if Hamas remains in power, even with its military capability in ruins and the hostages freed, is purely a Netanyahu thing, not as far as I know a Biden thing. Where Biden has been consistent is in saying that Israel has the right to defend itself and will continue to get US support in doing so. But Biden has never committed himself to "any amount of destruction counts as self-defense."

Guayaquil (eephus!), Sunday, 12 May 2024 15:31 (six days ago) link

When I was still in the hospital, my family and I were visited by a friend who had just recently made it out of Gaza. He recounted how he saw the beginning of the Israeli bombing from his balcony, and soon after showered and left his house with a prepacked bag. He told me of tents, of hunger, of explosions, but there is one thing that really stood out for me as he recounted his ordeal.

He explained how the only way for him to survive in Gaza was to accept that he had already died. Only after he had come to terms with the realization that his life as he knew it was over could he enjoy a puff of a cigarette and a sip of coffee in the morning. This acceptance is the goal of the Israeli dehumanization complex. To be Palestinian today is to accept this fate.

I have been back on campus since February, and the adjustment has been tough. The man who is accused of shooting me has pleaded not guilty to three counts of attempted second-degree murder. But my mind is elsewhere. Every morning when I wake up, I check for one number. It has exceeded 35,000. It’s difficult for me to come to terms with the reality of so much loss.
In class, between Mesopotamian myths and commutative algebra, a few thoughts play on a loop in my mind: How can we come back from so much grief? How could we let this happen? What are we supposed to make of the world when Palestinian deaths are excused by talking points, repeated again and again on the news? I yearn to return to my home, to my olive trees, my cats and my family.

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Thursday, 16 May 2024 11:00 (two days ago) link

Thank you for that, heartbreaking

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 16 May 2024 11:10 (two days ago) link

Meanwwhile, Ilan Pappe stopped and questioned for several hours at Detroit airport

https://x.com/jeremyscahill/status/1790874217828827473

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Thursday, 16 May 2024 12:31 (two days ago) link

tipsy probably knows more about it than me but my sister spent all night at the county jail supporting arrested protestors in Knoxville, including beloved falafel guy Yassin.

short documentary about him here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz4Q_SlbZgQ

Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 16 May 2024 13:06 (two days ago) link

Yeah, here's a little roundup we wrote on it today fwiw:

Yassin Terou, the well-known and widely lauded proprietor of Yassin's Falafel House, was reportedly arrested along with other pro-Palestinian demonstrators at the University of Tennessee on Wednesday evening.

WBIR-TV reported that Terou was part of a group taken into custody by UT Police. The group had gathered for a Nakba Day Vigil, remembering the expulsion of Palestinians by Israelis during the 1948 war that led to Israel's establishment. The event was organized by the People's School for Gaza, which has been leading protest efforts on campus.

Apparently the issue was where the protesters chose to assemble. UT had told the group it could conduct its protests on a plaza near the Student Union. Tisha Benton, vice chancellor of communications for UT Knoxville, told the News Sentinel that UT police attempted to move protesters away from the lawn in front of the College of Law on Cumberland Avenue and those who refused to leave were arrested.

UT confirmed 11 arrests last night, according to the News Sentinel. Observers on site — as well as news photographers — identified Terou as among those taken into custody.

Terou, a Syrian refugee who started his popular falafel chain 10 years ago after selling sandwiches outside a local mosque, has become a cultural fixture in Knoxville and beyond. He has long advocated for tolerance and inclusiveness of many kinds, has led food aid efforts after natural disasters, and recently started a nonprofit called Seeds and Bridges focused on helping people without housing.

In 2018, his restaurant was named the Readers Digest Nicest Place in America and was featured on ABC's Good Morning America. He served as master of ceremonies for Knoxville Mayor Indya Kincannon's 2019 inauguration ceremony.

He even serves on the Board of Visitors of UT's Department of Religious Studies. A profile of Terou on the department's website says, "We appreciate all that he has done and continues to do to strengthen our community and bring people together and we look forward to bringing his unique voice and boundless energy to our students."

Terou has also been active in pro-Palestinian efforts in recent months, calling for an end to the war in Gaza and providing food to protesters at public events.

"I'm doing my part at least, and I'm gonna be who I am," he told WBIR in an interview last week. "I'm gonna ask them to stop the killing of any civilians, any innocent people, anywhere."

damn. I love that falafel place.

c u (crüt), Thursday, 16 May 2024 13:31 (two days ago) link

May go there for lunch today. I doubt he'll lose much business over this, people who go there in general are probably sympathetic, but I'd like to show some support.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNL_3kuGqz0

Worthwhile vid connecting what Adam Tooze has written about how badly Columbia’s endowments have been managed and connecting that up with how our ruling elite are completely incompetent now across the board

Also a shorter talk here on the cycles of left protest/recuperation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KelbwZUo_5o

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Thursday, 16 May 2024 17:11 (two days ago) link

Beautiful.

Absolutely LOVE this. Suella Braverman gets the silent treatment she deserves 😂

Not even worthy of a response. Bloody brilliant.pic.twitter.com/pobNu2Xxw2

— Bushra Shaikh (@Bushra1Shaikh) May 16, 2024

xyzzzz__, Friday, 17 May 2024 06:51 (yesterday) link

lol

symsymsym, Friday, 17 May 2024 07:01 (yesterday) link

Who is on the megaphone?

Oh, it's my son. pic.twitter.com/co4ZtdLgMe

— Claire Hopkin 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 (@claireindubai) May 16, 2024

xyzzzz__, Friday, 17 May 2024 09:58 (yesterday) link

I'd camp anywhere for the chance to ice out Suella, congrats to those kids!

The Sonoma State president has been put on leave by the CSU for agreeing to protesters' demands:
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/15/sonoma-state-president-leave-gaza-00158285

Meanwhile afaict the UCLA pres has suffered zero consequences for allowing a violent extremist mob to assault students for hours

rob, Friday, 17 May 2024 12:59 (yesterday) link


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