Stability is change: crossing the floor from potato to potahto in uk 2024

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Oddly starting this with Mason news.

Breaking: ISLINGTON NORTH Labour shortlist Sem Moema . Praful Nargund

— lee harpin (@lmharpin) May 22, 2024

breaking: stoya cancelling travel plans

From The Guardian blog quoting a tweet by a pol analyst:

Was in Westminster all day. Understand there’s 5 major reasons for @RishiSunak July 4 election gamble

1/ Key aides told PM inflation is now at its “election sweet spot” - 2.3% was today’s print - & warned it may rise again by autumn

2/ No fiscal space for NI cuts in Sept 1/

3/ Concern legal challenges will further delay/block flights to Rwanda taking off

4/ Mess in the English Channel with small boats during the summer months

5/ Nigel Farage hasn’t yet decided whether to front Reform UK, so snap poll may boost Tory prospects

Praful Nargund?

if they won't accept Comrade Mason they should offer a spot to Dunty

https://x.com/IanDunt/status/1793343773667480015

truly the most perfect idiot in the whole world, a brain as smooth as his scalp

Nargund is a private IVF clinic chief executive, who really cares about healthcare inequities

Dunt isn't an idiot, he just plays one for money.

Mason the early Starmer adopter, most consistent apologist/obsequious toady towards him for almost 5 years and all he gets in return is one humiliating rejection after another - which is all he deserves tbf.

I am sorry Tom D you will not be able to vote for this man

I didn't make the shortlist in @IslingtonNorth . Thanks to all those in the CLP who signed up to campaign for me, and to SERA for endorsing me. It's vital that we get out the vote the selected candidate, and keep Islington North red! ✊

— Paul Mason (@paulmasonnews) May 23, 2024

No-one likes him he does care.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtTdQm57_MU

100 empty spots to fill, keep on keeping on Paul

If he wasn't such a weirdo who likes making a shit ton of noise he would've got into one of those.

as well as being a foolish and deeply unlikable man I don't think he's ever been forgiven by the right for his supporting Corbyn years.

Yeah there's no place in today's Labour for people whose politics change with the wind to support their own personal aggrandisement

that's what they'll throw at Starmer, he can offer evidence that he helped finish off Corbyn by quoting the "People's Vote was a conspiracy" parts of the Eagleton book!

he's an embarrassment because he actually believes things, even if he has forced himself to believe them to fit in. I remember a kid like him at school.

No Rwanda flights till after the election. If Reform get their act together its even worse for the Tories.

It also means a very grim debate where Starmer has to promise deportations of sone kind.

Getting suicide-by-cop vibes from all of this, like Sunak is pleading with the election to put him out of his misery.

the guy just wants a long summer break in california so he can pick out a house, move there ASAP, and die horribly in the record-breaking wildfires of 2028 enjoy a long and happy life

maybe it was just a case of lose a suicide-election in the summertime or lose a confidence vote and resign

The calculations are that Rwanda flights will never get off the ground, that inflation might go up (so no interest rate cuts), and that they cannot offer anything but tax rises bcz of the state of public finances.

to gazzara's point, the domiciled tax status laws are getting changed next year yeah?

the way he brought up the furlough scheme yesterday seemed desperate, it was almost like he was inferring he paid it all out of his own pocket.

it was like in the manner of a slimy boss giving you a tiny inconsequential pay rise and then never letting you forget about it

The only time the guy was popular is when he gave lots of people money.

also when he gave us rona dinners

How soon we forget "dishy Rishi".

eat out to help out just a porn video name to most people now

a furlough scheme that was actually proposed and pushed for by McDonnell iirc and which sunak was originally dead set against…

and a furlough scheme which deliberately excluded hundreds of thousands of self-employed people, my wife being among them

xp
to me there's no question that if Corbyn and McDonnell hadn't been at the despatch box in early 2020 we would never have got the furlough measures we did get, flawed as they were

Quietly impressed by The Green Party response here. Has the right people crying about it.

Nothing to see here. Just @TheGreenParty⁩ leader on Radio 4 failing to condemn one of her fellow Green candidates for liking a post which said "we have to destroy Zionism". And she has the chutzpah to refer to the EHRC report into Labour's antisemitism to boot. What a state. pic.twitter.com/QrAo4fynZz

— Mike Katz (@mikekatz) May 23, 2024

From a locked acc:

"On Politics Weekly, Kiran explains that Sunak would rather get drenched than be compared to noted brolly loser Steve McLaren. Optics discourse is incredible"

Union Jack gazebos are a thing:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/165496541979

behold, the Racism Cube

Don't let Starmer know or he'll be doing his press conferences from inside one.

he already is, psychically

dismal

Keir Starmer needs you to vote for Reform on July 4th.

A vote for Reform is a vote to put Keir Starmer into power. pic.twitter.com/CGVoo5snGc

— Conservatives (@Conservatives) May 23, 2024

in fairness his politics are more or less identical to theirs

And I would have got away with it if it hadn't been for you meddling Conservative Party Central Office political advisers.

A more abstract approach would be better: "vote Labour, you get Starmer as pm" with Starmer getting a Starmer mask yanked off, revealing that this confirms that he is indeed Starmer.

^^
I'm giving this one for free, if my name was saatchi & saatchi I could charge millions for this shit!

I like that, you'll go far in this game

Still an opportunity for Paul Mason

NEW
 
Conservative HQ have emailed asking for candidates in almost 100 seats
 
When candidates ask when the deadline is, they have been told it’s 48 hours, according to 2 I’ve spoken to
 
Some Tory associations are pretty livid at having been left in such an unprepared situation pic.twitter.com/baBLr6TiMK

— Paul McNamara (@PGMcNamara) May 23, 2024

lol, only a matter of time before serial carpetbagger Mason declares that the only way to advance the class struggle is by running as a Tory candidate.

Islington North too, he could run against Corbyn after all!

It’s official!

https://www.islingtontribune.co.uk/article/jeremy-corbyn-why-i-am-standing-as-an-independent-candidate-at-the-general-election

Excited for the Lab right focusing a proportionate amount of time and attention on this.

I'm probably easily amused, but was choking with laughter on the bus the other day after seeing some stupid Labour MP sanctimoniously posting about a bit of paint being daubed on a plane and getting totally ratioed to fuckry by a childish and crude reply. Twitter still brings it sometimes!

I am very very (very very) strongly in favour of assisted dying but I agree that I don't trust this fucking government to manage it well at all, and if you look at it in conjunction with their treatment of disabled people it becomes chilling. I still think legalising it is the right thing, I just don't blame anyone for fearing the worst.

Making Leadbeater responsible for that bill was a disastrous decision, if there was any brains at the top of the party they'd realise she's a plank and not fit for a bill that requires layers and layers of complex safeguarding. A lot of her critics say all the safeguarding has been stripped away and she give vacuous dissembling answers to any serious scrutiny. Yeah, well she's a Labour MP of course, but even by these standards she is very dumb.

I mean the party is being led by a human rights lawyer ffs!

Kieth actually defended some ppl who set fire to RAF planes during the Iraq War. His defence in court was that they were trying to stop a war that wasn't technically legal. Now he'd have them on treason charges just for soft vandalism.

In Neoliberal World, if you are a human rights lawyer and desire power, be prepared to dismantle human rights to jump yourself into the gang, I guess…

Every single thing that has a whiff of progress will be done incompetently or on the cheap...rail nationalization, any infrastructure or housing builds will be terrible due to planning regulation bonfires. Good stuff, if any, will happen by accident or bcz there's a lot of pressure due to events and any people responsible won't be able to shout about it bcz some scummy Lab right monster will want anything they aren't in control of destroyed.

oh I yes, I think there is always incompetence by design in any Tory/Labour UK austerity govt. I'm not remotely surprised that they give a job that could have as profoundly wide reaching consequences as assisted dying bill to such a vacuous, nodding head moron.

I decided to read the euthanasia legislation Starmer rammed through Parliament while the world was burning, and these are all amendments that were REJECTED from the bill. I am begging you to read this. No joke here. Keir Starmer is a psychopath and he is doing Aktion T4. pic.twitter.com/xbAQ9YI0ag

— Eyup Lovely (@eyuplovely) June 22, 2025

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GuDqThXXUAA1dcQ?format=png&name=small

That’s already prohibited in the bill itself.

I genuinely hope that is correct, but just don't quite feel it is.

why would an amendment be rejected then added to a bill?

if the bill already covers it, then cool. Just don't reject something that is already an essential component against it becoming T4. What the fuck am I getting wrong here?

sorry, but all I can see here is a future where disabled people get liquidated, by other means than just disenfranchising them through PIP reforms.

I have no idea about this particular bill but iirc usually if an amendment is proposed that's already in the original bill it gets rejected, presumably so amender doesn't get to claim they got it in.

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It’s a complex piece of legislation and I don’t think the full Hansard debate has been published yet but there is definitely a prohibition on any advertising to potential users. It allows for certain exceptions, which will be worked out later on. There was a vote on defining the specific exceptions before the bill was passed, which was rejected.

idk where this list of amendments came from or at what stage they were raised. The procedure is for only a handful of amendments and new clauses to be selected to be voted on during the session. There may be a semantic argument that ‘marketing’ is different from ‘advertising’, but it seems likely that the prohibition is intended to cover both.

"There may be a semantic argument that ‘marketing’ is different from ‘advertising’"

this kind of bollocks becoming the thin line between life and death for potentially millions of vulnerable people over decades is nightmare fuel for me

It looks like it went in on the 13th - if you search for NC14 on the list of amendments for that day https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/cbill/59-01/0212/amend/terminally_ill_adults_day_rep_0613.pdf you can see it (from Kim Leadbetter) and a few after it trying to tighten it up.

If you look on the records of the debate, https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2025-06-13/debates/AD5D60DD-BDA2-4E12-A854-E2A356E1CF58/TerminallyIllAdults(EndOfLife)Bill and search for "new clause 14", there's a bunch of debate about it, the sub-amendments fail, the amendment passes.

If you look at the list of amendments for Friday gone https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/cbill/59-01/0212/amend/terminally_ill_adults_day_rep_0620.pdf and search for NC14, there's a few trying to amend that but it doesn't appear again - though it's not on the most recent version of the bill that I can find, which is from March: https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/cbill/59-01/0212/240212.pdf

(none of this is me saying "do your homework", it's a pain in the arse to go ferret all this stuff out, and I still don't entirely understand how the first amendment is waved through but the amendment to the amendment gets a vote).

What none of these are is amendment 89, which is the number on that big image.

The original bill had a section titled "Guidance about operation of Act" regarding how the Chief Medical Officer should prepare and publish guidance - the amendment New Clause 20 (Leadbetter again) suggests a new clause saying that no the Secretary of State has provide the guidance. That went through smoothly and Amendment 89 is saying "If NC20 goes through, delete the clause it's replacing".

There's an enormous (850-page) compendium of the committee stage here (https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/cbill/59-01/0012/PBC012_Terminally_Ill_Adults_1st-29th_Compilation_26_03_2025_REV.pdf) which does also have an amendment 89:

Amendment 89, in schedule 2, page 27, line 11, after
“coerced” insert “, encouraged”.
This amendment is consequential on Amendment 82

which is part of a bunch of extending things that aren't coercion but you still wouldn't want to have happen (it failed, partly I think because encouraging someone to suicide is already a crime).

Just picking a bunch of numbers at random from the image, I've no idea where he's getting any of them from?

I mean, some of it definitely happened - the Down Syndrome one wasn't selected for a vote, the financial hardship one went in with a very broad list of other conditions - but even the NCs he mentions don't match anything? Actually, no, the NC6 matches the actual NC16, which is the one I just mentioned with the broad list.

Somehow, I still don't find any of this reassuring especially as you have quite a history of being a pedantic apologist of some pretty shitty politicians and melts of UK politics! I followed a guy on twitter who was monitoring the dark and tedious process of this bill. And yes, some of Shitbeater's harshest critics where actually Tories and melts, but I have absorbed lots of this over the last year and have no other opinion that this bill leads to a bad place. And none of this digging up NC14 parliamentary amendment to make the case that some lefty shitposter hasn't done thorough research before posting doesn't move my feelings on this by a fucking millimetre, pal!

even if some lefty shitposter has just made some shit up to make the bill look more dangerous than it is, well whatever. It's not what I'd do, but still one thing I can guarantee - this bill will be used to get rid of vulnerable/disabled people. This is is not wild dystopic prediction. This will actually happen, sooner rather than later.

The PIP shredding bill is going to be a Money bill, which means it can become law within one month of being voted for, even if the Lords vote it down. This is going to be horrible for millions of people as well, not just horrible, but fatal. Apparently all Labour MPs have to attend the 2nd reading, which means I think there is no abstain option. I don't know if this is a good or bad thing. But I have zero hope that the bill will be stopped.

that Labour have two bills running in tandem, one that makes it lawful to put down disabled people and another that disenfranchises them and reduces their ability to afford the support they require to live and even work. Hmm ... pathways... solutions etc

to my mind that is why they put a vacuous hack like Shitbneater onto the assisted dying bill. It needed to be a terrible bill. Arguing over the details of parliamentary minutiae is worthless at this point, because it is already too late and such a vacuous moron of a politician is only capable of doing bad work.

it seems Jeremy Corbyn is tabling an amendment... here comes the resistance .. sad lol

This is excruciating on the ‘Anorexia loophole’

(Mental capacity is not a test of mental illness as countless psychiatrists have tried to explain to the sponsor) https://t.co/Oh2bfQEo3t pic.twitter.com/7yqkg82H0h

— teresa smith (@treesey) June 17, 2025

excruciating is the right word, jesus wept, no wonder they had to parachute her to a safe seat out of Batley where she was going to get her arse handed to her by voters.

I mean she was previously a fucking "life coach" no wonder she's struggling to conceal her crank mental health beliefs when under heavy scrutiny!

I'm not trying to be reassuring - I don't think this is a great idea or handled well, which is about what I'd expect from this government. I know you've got a very personal stake in this, calzino, and I wish you and yours all life and happiness. And I trust your instincts (maybe not all the way to Aktion T4).

So, for example, that amendment I mentioned replaces "the Chief Medical Officers should issue guidance" with "The Secretary of State should issue guidance", and increases the list of people that have to consulted (which already included people with learning difficulties and protected characteristics) to include "such persons appearing to represent providers of health or care services, including providers of palliative or end of life care, as the Secretary of State considers appropriate".

And the advertising one is the same, the amendment that got voted down was to tighten it up, but they want more leeway for the Secretary of State to do as they see fit. Which wouldn't be great even if the Health Secretary wasn't living ghoul Wes Streeting.

I'm probably softer on parts of the bill than some of you, in theory. So the 'financial hardship' clause was part of a big amendment saying that someone doesn't have "a wish to seek assistance to end their own life in accordance with this Act under section 5(5)" if they're motivated by a number of things, including financial considerations. But also on the list is "not wanting to be a burden on others or on public services", and I'm against that - if I do take this up, that's probably going to be where my head's at. But that's in theory - I don't support it while the government is as bloodthirsty as this one.

And there's another one which modifies terminal illness (in the bill: you have it, you're not going to get better, you'll be dead in six months) to include "As a result of that illness or disease the person is experiencing (or will
likely experience) severe pain and discomfort that cannot be reasonably relieved to the person’s satisfaction through palliative care" - do you (not you) want the sounds of the dying piped into your office, you ghoul?

But mostly, and I'm probably just being paranoid, when I see a big "warning, warning" post being shared widely (definitely not just you here!), and the bits of it that look really detailed are all wrong, I just wonder what the fuck is going on?

The Whips told MPs that the Welfare Cuts bill was a "confidence vote" in Starmer (meaning if govt lose the vote Starmer will go)...and the number of Rebels went up. Looks like MPs thought it was a 2-for-1 offer pic.twitter.com/ZeCb0231eJ

— Solomon Hughes (@SolHughesWriter) June 24, 2025

feel like we're close to the scene where the hyenas all turn on Scar

I have some pretty pointed questions for a Home Secretary (and former Home Affairs select committee chair) whose takings from Zionist donors are the highest of any Labour politician, suddenly wanting to proscribe Palestine Action.

This seems like an obvious conflict of interest, right? Right?

"whose takings from Zionist donors are the highest of any Labour politician"

maybe Lammy gets some of his Zionist lobby donations stuffed directly into his pockets these days. I can't believe he's been surpassed in the greedy corrupt fuckers captured by donors index!

Cooper has taken £215k to Lammy’s £103k, and neither should take anything from anyone advocating for a foreign power. Reeves is the only other one on over 100k.

(1)Blame game over benefits rebellion begins- from The Times - Minister says Morgan McSweeney is " completely off his rocker" for making Starmer define himself "against the Left ", Rachel Reeves persuasion attempts put off more MPs, govt relies on Rayner to try sell the cuts pic.twitter.com/HBguwQRwdi

— Solomon Hughes (@SolHughesWriter) June 24, 2025

wow, who could believe when Reeves tries to *charm* or perhaps more realistically, browbeat MPs into voting for something terrible. It has the exact opposite effect on them. I recall there was an Aesop fable about this, but that story didn't involve making disabled people homeless.

https://www.reaction.life/p/britain-looks-like-brexit

Written on 21 June, 2016.

It’s 24 June, 2025, and Britain is marking its annual Independence Day celebration. As the fireworks stream through the summer sky, still not quite dark, we wonder why it took us so long to leave. The years that followed the 2016 referendum didn’t just reinvigorate our economy, our democracy and our liberty. They improved relations with our neighbours.

Nailed it

..and the rest of it!

It's incredible how accurate it is. I can't believe I once thought Brexit was a bad idea.

Opting out of the EU’s data protection rules has turned Hoxton into the software capital of the world

"...where one there was a couple of nice parks in Hoxton are now located huge tower blocks that house software companies that rival the Silicon Valley behemoths as global centers of technology innovation..."

It's so weird how he thinks, or I guess pretends to think is a possibility, that you don't actually have to do anything or build anything or fund or run anything properly, you just leave the EU and magically everything roars into life, because the other possibility is that British politicians haven't got a fucking clue what they're doing, the entire country has little to offer on a global stage, and the political system barely allows spending money to fix things.

Prof D Edgerton has recently wrote something similar to: that Starmer's so called Industrial Strategy is a mix of incompressible Thatcherite twaddle and Brexit hubris that won't achieve anything. Even after a Brexit, the same braindead zombie political classes are incapable of having any good ideas, in fact just bad ones or even corrupt ones. Even if Remain had won this would still be the problem.

Yeah staying in wouldn't have revitalised industry or whatever, tho maybe a few more quid in people's pockets I guess.

Presumably any inability to have improved life in even the most basic way will be handwaved away with ‘covid’ until some other catastrophe comes along to replace it. No better outcomes were possible, unfortunately

He seems to miss the fact that being happy with Brexit could never be the point. Farage etc and his base will never be happy or satisfied with anything and it's naive to think they can be placated or that constant anger and disruption isn't key to the grift. Tho most of the British political establishment share this delusional so... shrug

the Osborne austerity and profligate expansion of foodbank use, that's what helped Brexit happen. Now Kieth is doing Austerity 2.0, which is another gift to the latest Farage political vehicle. And in between these two events all that has been learned is senseless soundbites like "we need to cut harder and cut faster".

that phrase is probably just how I recall it rather than what he said. It might have been go further and faster, which is no better.

Every time a minister does a media round and says the changes to PIP are about getting people back into work, another Labour MP is more committed to the rebellion

— Sienna Rodgers (@siennamarla) June 25, 2025

Also I have seen a '24 intake MP saying she is willing to lose the whip over this, the messaging is so obviously bullshit and doesn't acknowledge that PIP is an in-work benefit, so it's just too much an outright lie to hold water - even with some moderate professional pol type MPs. This is becoming much more of a concerted rebellion than the damp squib I was expecting.

There's time yet for these spineless wankers to back down tbf.

oh there are some utter spineless shits in the PLP and that number massively increased in '24 when Kieth went for corporate lobbyists or highest quality candidates. So yeah, I know this can disappear into nothing very fast. But some seasoned Labour watchers seem to think this is turning into a revolt.

someone from the bad publication The Economist is suggesting that leadership have so far failed to put this PIP rebellion down is because the leaders of it have abandoned organising through leaky Whatsapp groups that give up the whole game. They have been using the old fashioned cell system method of organising secret meetings without smartphone apps etc...