Notting Hill Carnival: Classic or Dud?

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So I have been maybe 4 times now and twice had an excellent time but twice had a fairly crappy time (admittedly this could be down to the people I was with not just the carnival itself). Last year (despite being rained on) was great. However the crowds do my head in and I am not that fond of Red Stripe. Should I bother this year?

Emma, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I have never been. It is in West London.

Nick, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Well then comment on what you have seen on the telly.

Emma, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I have still not been properly to the NH carnival though in '96 and '97 (and maybe '98 too, cant remember) I was working in a bookshop on the route to and from the carnival, and worked during the festivities. It was fucking horrible as you can probably imagine and though I am sure the carnival itself is a feast of fun drugs and laughter I'm not positive I'm recovered enough to go.

I might though as I hear Iain Duncan Smith will be there.

Tom, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I've been most years since the late '80s, although sometimes I'm not sure why. The path of least pain is to walk up the canal from Maida Vale and then head for Notting Hill proper - avoiding horrible Sloaney trancebag soundsystems round Kensel Rise - and concentrate on eating, drinking and some decent hip-hop or dancehall and then leave early. But, really, if I didn't know people who lived round that way, I'm not sure I'd bother any more. Maybe I'm just getting old.

Mark Morris, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Mates who have been there have been mugged each time - RAH! Never been m'self. More recommended is the Bristol carnival where there are warehouses covered wall to wall in bouncy mattressses. Boingy boingy. All good until end of night when you realise they are all covered in VOM.

Sarah, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Oh, and one year Hopkins and I went to the Chapeltown Carnival in Leeds instead. Which was fascinating - I wonder whether Tim can remember anything at all about that week...

Mark Morris, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

It is better if you know someone who lives there as you can nip into theirs to use the toilets. However mates have realised that Ladbroke Grove is living beyond their means and have retired gracefully to Brixton.

Walthamstow Village Festival. Now that sucks.

Emma, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

IDS in shorts and a baseball cap?!

mark s, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Oi! Emma, don't you go knocking my manor. Mind you, I've never been to the village festival for reasons far too stupid to mention. I have been to the Notting Hill one though and I hated every last second. It was much like I imagine the Oktoberfest to be like, full of backpackers sampling another stop on their world tour of bouze and drugs.

Too busy, didn't like the music much, ovver-priced red stripe, someone tried to dip my pocket, grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

cabbage, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I am not knocking Walthamstow, merely its daft festival. It is a much better place to live than Notting Hill. And when we were there one year we saw that Colin off Press Gang (who was also in Let Him Have It if that's what the film was called) in the garden at the Village pub.

Emma, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Hang on, I'm sure I've seen him in the Old Dairy, Stroud Green Rd. Surely he can't MOVE AROUND?

Nick, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i guess our nearest is the Stoke Newington festival, which was rubbish, and had the ridiculous conductor bloke off the 38 playing rubbish ska in clissold park

gareth, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Oi! Don't knock Duke Baysee!! He has soul!

mark s, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Although I am a West London hata (it's the Sloanes, and most of them go to ver country or if trustas, hide at the Cobden Club) and reggae makes my teeth hurt, I have the following:

Friend with flat at Ground Zero (Portobello/Westbourne Pk Road) who does open house BOTH days - yippee!

Insatiable lust for PROPER jerk chicken, which magically becomes, like all N. Hill food, £1 for a sackful at about 6pm Monday, ie. when I am so MONGED from Class B's I become The Eating Machine.

I have never, ever once been ripped off by a member of the No Solids Crew, pickpocketed, mugged, or in any way hassled.

suzy, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Count Basee. No relation. Possible spelling mistake in his name.

Colin from Press Gang (Paul Reynolds) has been in eight films including the not without merit Let Him Have It. Yet it is somehow comforting that he is only known as Colin from Press Gang. Other alumni have escaped this epithet. Dexter Fletcher is Dexter Fletcher (because of stupid name he is remembered). Julia Sawalha is Saffy from Ab Fab. Julie from Press Gang is now Lisa in Eastenders and Mmoloki Chrystie was Kevin in Grange Hill. Oddly the IMDB listing relegates third star Lee Ross to third from bottom of the also starring alphabetically list.

Pete, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Well I have never seen any slebz at NHC whereas I have at WVF so Walthamstow is declared the winner. Mind you nor have I been robbed at what is apparently robbers central although I did manage to get robbed in London's Middle Class Crouch End. It's all gone topsy turvy.

Emma, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

So, jerk chicken + being scared of passers by = NH carnival.

Why doesn't everyone just come to the pub in Brixton instead? YEAH BRIXTON!

Sarah, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

But Hmmmm Goat Curry. Kidz in colourful outfits. Skanking - in both good and bad ways.

Pete, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

So everyone in Notting Hill is Caucasian and looks like Hugh Grant and his roommate, right? I just need this clarification.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

You are totally right. Also when I worked in a bookshop in Notting Hill, I was beating sexy film stars off with a bee-covered sodomizing stick.

Tom, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I celebrate the Notting Hill Carnival every year by moving my car somewhere safe and going to Edinburgh.

He's Not, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

two years pass...
So wheres the love for Carnival?

Always been a big deal for me - sound system culture has a real sense of history in terms of the tunes they play - you will hear stuff like "Fight the Power", "Twilight" and "Release yourself" that you don't really hear anywhere else anymore

Systems like Mastermind KCC and Fun Bunch are truly skilled DJS - Mastermind were playing Mary Poppins over Funky Drummer back in the late 80s .

Carnival is interesting in that it hasn't really been highjacked by the young middle class graduate media types like most of black/ dance culture has been (except for Norman Jays Good Times which is a shadow of its former self)

Im surprised there isn't more interest in Carnival from a lot of music heads here - why is this?

blue, Sunday, 24 August 2003 12:56 (twenty-two years ago)

because everyone here is mental - it's totally the best thing about living in london....

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Sunday, 24 August 2003 13:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I wonder what dave q has to say abt it.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 24 August 2003 13:22 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm sure he doesn't have the faintest inkling about it...

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Sunday, 24 August 2003 13:31 (twenty-two years ago)

i wonder why julio wonders...

i went once in '98 and hated it. but i hope to be there tomorrow, finally trying some curried goat and jerk chicken, guzzling beer with Count Ronan whilst bopping to Jon Carter.

more likely i will be shuffling along Portobello bitching about the heat and crowds on my own trying to nod my head and not spill drinks.

but Dave if you're around and can suggest somewhere to meet up sometime that would be superb.

stevem (blueski), Sunday, 24 August 2003 13:42 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...
revive

tis this weekend and i'm thinking of popping along. what should i expect? (reads thread) um, maybe there are some good films on this weekend instead...

koogs (koogs), Thursday, 26 August 2004 13:51 (twenty-one years ago)

the food is classic.

dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Thursday, 26 August 2004 14:01 (twenty-one years ago)

It's good fun. Just don't get too pissed by three in the afternoon. And don't accidentally spit hot tea all over a huge rude boy, as I did once.

Wooden (Wooden), Thursday, 26 August 2004 14:04 (twenty-one years ago)

> the food is classic.

unless you're a vegetarian by the sound of it 8(

koogs (koogs), Thursday, 26 August 2004 14:20 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...
Bump.

This Sunday and Monday.

g00blar (gooblar), Friday, 25 August 2006 09:38 (nineteen years ago)

I still wish swift and painful homicide on anyone who refers to it as "Carnival".

"Hey, Tarquin, are you going to Carnival?" and so on.

Hello Sunshine (Hello Sunshine), Friday, 25 August 2006 09:42 (nineteen years ago)

"You going to Prom?"

g00blar (gooblar), Friday, 25 August 2006 09:43 (nineteen years ago)

Which day is the 'kids' parade?

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 25 August 2006 09:45 (nineteen years ago)

Wrong city.

I went once, or maybe twice, nearly ten years ago. I remember lots of people and lots of wandering around trying to find exciting stuff. My recollection is that there was not that much actually exciting stuff going on, but the buzz was great.

One of my friends was there once when people were throwing things at the peegs. Deadly buzz.

DV (dirtyvicar), Friday, 25 August 2006 09:51 (nineteen years ago)

Kids' parade Sunday, big crazy parade Monday.

I'm going Sunday.

g00blar (gooblar), Friday, 25 August 2006 09:55 (nineteen years ago)

I may do, it depends on the weather forecast (at the mo: looks bad)

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 25 August 2006 09:56 (nineteen years ago)

There are an awful lot of things on this weekend - Reading, Notting Hill, Cross Central, Get Loaded in Clapham. I'm going to the latter but hope to check NH if there's time.

wogan lenin (dog latin), Friday, 25 August 2006 11:00 (nineteen years ago)

isn't it now "are you going carnival", without even the "to"?

i've never been and don't intend to. i've seen it from the tube coming back from reading a bit spaced out and it looks HORRIBLE, too many people, moving too slow, not enough space, claustrophobic, ugh. (ha ha a bit like reading - well YES - but reading is only bearable if you have access to the guest area to escape the horrible claustrophobia.)

emsk ( emsk), Friday, 25 August 2006 11:07 (nineteen years ago)

Don't forget the capital C Ñ "Are you going Carnival?"

Hello Sunshine (Hello Sunshine), Friday, 25 August 2006 11:45 (nineteen years ago)

but reading is only bearable if you have access to the guest area to escape the horrible claustrophobia.

Yeah, got 'spoilt' with that 2 years ago.

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 25 August 2006 12:24 (nineteen years ago)

surely "y' gwan Carnival?"

CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Friday, 25 August 2006 12:30 (nineteen years ago)

worse = "does anyone want to come round mine and watch Carnivale?"

Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 25 August 2006 12:31 (nineteen years ago)

yeh me too. i'll never pay for a festival ever again since i realised if you work on the bar there you get free breakfast, free drink tokens (which you can use to barter for other food/alc/drugs seeing as you already got pissed up on your shift on the sly) plus a lovely campsite with showers and a marquee. then you walk around laughing at all the people who shelled out enough for a short trip abroad to roll around in their own filths for three days.

wogan lenin (dog latin), Friday, 25 August 2006 12:32 (nineteen years ago)

fond memories of carnivals past:

1) sitting on steps of house making out with girl. opening our eyes to a gang of 11 year olds screaming "geezer!" and "give it to her!"

2) watching Rastas dance on top of BMWs of Notting Hill residents who forgot to move their cars for the weekend

3) after-carnival house party of a friend which soon fills up with crashers sneaking in. we hear a fight break out upstairs, a woman cries as she is being slapped around by a man. everyone freezes, i drunkenly decide to rush up to defend her, but tumbling down the stairs comes the victim, a would be tough guy with a scream sounding just like a woman's.

mr. brojangles (sanskrit), Friday, 25 August 2006 13:33 (nineteen years ago)

monstrous dud, mind you i don't expect anything more from west london

The Real DG (D to thee G), Friday, 25 August 2006 13:38 (nineteen years ago)

xpost
So did you avenge his beating?

g00blar (gooblar), Friday, 25 August 2006 14:05 (nineteen years ago)

I'd imagineit used to be okay, before the trendy types moved in. I'm a Northerner and I've never been. When I was a kid, in the 70s, my family always went to the Moss Side Carnival (Notting Hill Carnival's Mancunian equivalent). Back then it was all about community...and showing the white folks how people really go about having fun. From what I've seen recently this carnival has also devolved into the parody of itself that Notting Hill appears to have become.

Stone Monkey (Stone Monkey), Friday, 25 August 2006 14:09 (nineteen years ago)

Back then it was all about community...and showing the white folks how people really go about having fun.

MUCH LIKE ILX

a rapper singing about hos and bitches and money (Enrique), Friday, 25 August 2006 14:11 (nineteen years ago)

I'd imagineit used to be okay, before the trendy types moved in.

when people used to get killed at it, you mean.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 25 August 2006 14:19 (nineteen years ago)

a couple of years ago?

The Real DG (D to thee G), Friday, 25 August 2006 15:13 (nineteen years ago)

sorry to sound so callous there but all this talk about white bohemians ruining NHC/fetishisation of authenticity/cultural tourism stuff irks me. bear in mind increased 'corporateness' of the event is an unfortunate consequence of the solution to an even more unfortunate and persistent problem associated with the carnival in the past and that's crime plus police-punters tension surrounding that. maybe the crime rep was exaggerated by the media as part of institutionalised racism in the past (this might explain to some extent how the carnival survived at all) but this used to be the main reason to avoid going, not the prospect of being caught in a throng of posh boys. not sure if 'racial/crime paranoia' replaced by 'inverse class snobbery' is really progress but there you go.

the only problem i have with it, like others, is the crowd intensity/social claustrophobia aspect.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 25 August 2006 15:18 (nineteen years ago)

obligatoryshotofpoliceofficerdancing.jpg

mr. brojangles (sanskrit), Friday, 25 August 2006 16:37 (nineteen years ago)

Well, we all did make it down this year. The sunday kids parade, Amber and Alice enjoyed it well, they could not believe floats could be so LOUD!!! but a good time was had by all.

We didn't go into the middle section as they are too small to get into crush crowds, but on our way to an exit tube station (which is another story), one stage was just starting up with "Sweet Dreams" by Eurythmics. Sad time.

As is traditional, they got picked out by a TV camera doing crowd shots. What TV prog it was for, I don't know. So if you saw two kids sitting behind barriers, eating crisps, that was them.

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 08:45 (nineteen years ago)

Went on Sunday as well. Had a good time but ate enough for two grown men and suffered for it all through yesterday. Also chose the wrong place to sit down for a minute as we were subjected to a sales pitch for an independent school by a father who raved about said school's success with an evangelical zeal. Then he started telling us how great Bush is and how his critics have forgotten history.

g00blar (gooblar), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 08:51 (nineteen years ago)

went a couple of times in the early 90's when i was over there. it was fascinating as an experience but i never enjoyed it much. (i am a trendy bohemian btw). the wosname famos westwood system was FUCKING SCARY. the jungle systems were cool. i was jsut looking for some dub really (ps i am a trendy bohemian btw)

alicer (alicereed), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 09:29 (nineteen years ago)

When I passed the Trojan Sound System on Portobello Rd on Sunday afternoon, I heard This generation / rules the nation / with version!

Yes, Musical Youth got an airing at carnival and the people lapped it up.

Daniel Giraffe (Daniel Giraffe), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 09:33 (nineteen years ago)

so is it all faux grass huts and dub and saltfish & cornbread stalls now?

alicer (alicereed), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 09:34 (nineteen years ago)

I totally passed the trojan at the same time! Unless they were playing 'Pass the Dutchie" all day.

g00blar (gooblar), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 09:36 (nineteen years ago)

LOL. That's possible, g00blar!

Daniel Giraffe (Daniel Giraffe), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 09:37 (nineteen years ago)

dub and saltfish & cornbread

I usually like a little dub on my saltfish & cornbread.

Daniel Giraffe (Daniel Giraffe), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 09:39 (nineteen years ago)

three years pass...

I am often in London during the Carnival and I can never get anyone to go! I have been twice and it was great both times.

Tolaca Luke (admrl), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 19:36 (fifteen years ago)

I always have a lot of fun. Avoid the main route, find yourself a nice back street system and immerse yourself in bass.

rhythm fixated member (chap), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 20:04 (fifteen years ago)

I didn't go last year, it was the first time I missed it in over ten years. Looking forward to it again this year. I second chap's plan, and avoid attending in big groups if you want to stay together that is.

mmmm, Tuesday, 10 August 2010 20:19 (fifteen years ago)

three years pass...

bump. I got roped into going this afternoon. Arrived to late, a little bit out of sorts. Ended up dancing with the sun on my face with a few friends. I do love HHC.

mmmm, Monday, 26 August 2013 22:09 (twelve years ago)

HHC = NHC

mmmm, Monday, 26 August 2013 22:14 (twelve years ago)


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