Alphaville

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Godard's film. At one level seems juvenile, too overt, destructive of the emotional complexity he seeks to celebrate. Also a distinct break into overt surrealism and more daring cinematography, heralding his great '65-67 streak of avant-gardist films.

But it seems that there's another thing going on too, his hamming of of genre-conventions signals a sort of new awareness of historic place, a call for the new-wave to truly break free of its historic roots and reduce them to the free play of symbols, a manifesto for a new type of film for new thematic matter, and a certain sense that the only real fantastic thing about the story is the victory of the "good guys".

Also, the soundtrack is delicious, with the ominous orchestral hits at all the wrong places -- the sense that the city itself is laden with doom.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Sunday, 24 November 2002 22:46 (twenty-three years ago)

surely the 'hamming' (oh how i luv lemmy caution's general crapness!! see him fight!!) isn't a break from history: play as immersive embrace rather than "reduction". but yet not quite as free as you make out. tho perhaps belief in a break (SNAPP!! as call to arms wake-up call) is necessary anyway for these kinds of things?

the computer's croaky voice was actually a real old guy with voicebox!!

bob zemko (bob), Sunday, 24 November 2002 23:28 (twenty-three years ago)

barthes' 3rd meaning nags me here but i suspect i'm being wrongheaded and it will only divert

haha well tsk it's not precise enough

bob zemko (bob), Sunday, 24 November 2002 23:31 (twenty-three years ago)

Some of my friends love this to bits, but I have some problems with it - watching it these days, it seems to be a first step away from celebrating Hollywood's flawed but wonderful conventions towards satire, which will go on to be transformed by Marxism until Godard's films essentially consist of whining a lot, albeit gorgeously. On the other hand, the way the claustrophobia of modernist architecture is brilliant, plus it's got the best car chase of the Sixties.

B.Rad (Brad), Monday, 25 November 2002 11:41 (twenty-three years ago)

can i make the "big in japan" joke now please?

CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Monday, 25 November 2002 11:47 (twenty-three years ago)

also i love the line "we think because we know what 1 is we know what 2 is because 1 plus 1 equals 2. we forget we must also know the meaning of plus."

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 25 November 2002 23:51 (twenty-three years ago)

yes! great line

bob zemko (bob), Thursday, 28 November 2002 20:13 (twenty-three years ago)

I've not seen the film, but our driver/soundman kept going on about how much it looks like Birmingham when we were in Birmingham. Or, erm, something...

kate, Thursday, 28 November 2002 20:17 (twenty-three years ago)

four years pass...

Watched this last night. Interesting coming to it after seeing Blade Runner in the theater on Saturday evening. I thought it was amazingly dreamlike. Don't know if I have a whole lot to say yet that's fully developed, but I would like to point out that the voice of Alpha 60 is one of the most absolutely horrible sounding things I've ever had to put up with.

El Tomboto, Monday, 5 November 2007 18:22 (eighteen years ago)

(yes I know it was a dude with no larynx. still, my god.)

El Tomboto, Monday, 5 November 2007 18:23 (eighteen years ago)

Au contraire, I think he had plenty of larynx back then.

James Redd and the Blecchs, Monday, 5 November 2007 18:25 (eighteen years ago)

of the mechanical variety, perhaps

El Tomboto, Monday, 5 November 2007 18:34 (eighteen years ago)

seriously though when he was walking down the hallway and alpha 60 is calling off the status of the offices - occupee occupee libre libre occupee - I wanted to plug my ears. yikes.

El Tomboto, Monday, 5 November 2007 18:37 (eighteen years ago)

What about the cab driver, what did you think of his voice?

James Redd and the Blecchs, Monday, 5 November 2007 18:44 (eighteen years ago)

Anyway, somebody told me a long time ago that that was Godard himself talking through some kind of voicebox effect, but now I'm not so sure.

James Redd and the Blecchs, Monday, 5 November 2007 19:06 (eighteen years ago)

check the wiki

El Tomboto, Monday, 5 November 2007 19:50 (eighteen years ago)

it came from the chris darke book

El Tomboto, Monday, 5 November 2007 19:51 (eighteen years ago)

That book looks pretty good. Obviously I have accumulated some misinformation in the past, so I think I need to read it to clear things up.

James Redd and the Blecchs, Monday, 5 November 2007 19:59 (eighteen years ago)

I would kind of like to read that and the blade runner book. are there any other bizarrely anachronistic future-noir movies worth seeing? nb anime does not count but then again netflix is the great enabler

El Tomboto, Monday, 5 November 2007 20:04 (eighteen years ago)

Caution/Constantine's first cigarette lighter open and close seems to be Foleyed with a film slate.

James Redd and the Blecchs, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 04:10 (eighteen years ago)

good catch!

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 08:56 (eighteen years ago)

Thx. I reserved that book from the library and just picked it up and started looking through it and so far it seems really good. I'm a big fan of stuff like this where a British guy is interested in French stuff but not 'bewitched' by it. Thanks for the tip, even if you haven't read it yourself.

James Redd and the Blecchs, Thursday, 15 November 2007 07:09 (eighteen years ago)

one year passes...

I'm watching this right now and its so fuckin weird.

"What illuminates the night?"
"Poetry."

PHOENIX HOOS aka the ashesrider (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Monday, 6 July 2009 05:52 (sixteen years ago)

And God yes the voice of Alpha 60 is a chore

PHOENIX HOOS aka the ashesrider (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Monday, 6 July 2009 05:53 (sixteen years ago)

yup, that voice is so horrible.

i think i would've liked it a lot, but i just could not get past that voice. the texture of it literally made me feel sick. and then thinking about how the movie was ruined by such a tiny detail pissed me off and i stopped watching it.

karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Monday, 6 July 2009 05:59 (sixteen years ago)

Yeah this is actually my 3rd attempt as the first was ruined by bad captions and the 2nd was ruined by that voice.

PHOENIX HOOS aka the ashesrider (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Monday, 6 July 2009 06:07 (sixteen years ago)

ok i did not see a car chase coming this is pretty dope

PHOENIX HOOS aka the ashesrider (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Monday, 6 July 2009 06:26 (sixteen years ago)

hahaha forgot that was in there, i *should* watch it again!

actually i was looking for this thing last week, but the netflix didn't have it online. you're right about the voice..

CAR CHASE!!!!! (daria-g), Monday, 6 July 2009 06:36 (sixteen years ago)

I love the voice! I sound a bit like that in the mornings sometimes.

last night i dreamt somebody shoved me (ledge), Monday, 6 July 2009 10:53 (sixteen years ago)

i think this is one of his best. karina at peak hotness anyways.

FREE DOM AND ETHAN (special guest stars mark bronson), Monday, 6 July 2009 11:03 (sixteen years ago)

Horrible voicebox aside, Alpha 60's interrogation of LC is one of my favorite bits of Godard for the constantly shifting microphones around his head. No idea why I find that so creepy.

Telephone thing, Monday, 6 July 2009 14:17 (sixteen years ago)

two months pass...

this movie is so fucking dope it is probably in my all-time top 5 albeit at a time when i am only discovering the greatness of french new wave

alien vs the smiths (country matters), Saturday, 12 September 2009 20:35 (sixteen years ago)

it is SO FUCKING DOPE and Alpha 60's voice is fucking dope as well imo, it's so brutally compelling, and the movie as a whole is just like some sort of stunning dream (i.e. tombot otm) about romanticism that goddamn EARNS its happy ending

alien vs the smiths (country matters), Saturday, 12 September 2009 20:37 (sixteen years ago)

Alphaville has been on my "I need to own this one eventually" list for so long now. I'm still relatively poorly-informed when it comes to a variety of films, but I went through a handful of Godard works from that time a few years ago right around the time I was jumping into a science fiction phase and this hit all the right buttons.

mh, Saturday, 12 September 2009 21:00 (sixteen years ago)

and that car chase is so good! the way the police cars *have* to be logical! it's like some sort of grotesque ballet

alien vs the smiths (country matters), Saturday, 12 September 2009 21:04 (sixteen years ago)

if there's an afterlife, I hope whatever I'm doing merits an answer to the question "what if this movie had been produced by Roger Corman," althought if I have a limited number of questions I can ask I'm not sure if that goes before or after "what if Wesley Willis and Like A Tim met and started a band"

El Tomboto, Sunday, 13 September 2009 04:53 (sixteen years ago)

Things That Never Got The Opportunity That Chocolate And Peanut Butter Did

El Tomboto, Sunday, 13 September 2009 05:06 (sixteen years ago)

one year passes...

lemmy caution has got a wicked case of sanpaku going on

tumlbrah (dayo), Tuesday, 28 September 2010 13:34 (fifteen years ago)

four years pass...

opened in France 50 years ago today

http://filmstudiesforfree.blogspot.de/2015/05/study-of-single-film-on-godards.html

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 5 May 2015 19:04 (ten years ago)

Jean-Luc Godard originally sought theorist Roland Barthes for the role of Professor von Braun.

!!

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 6 May 2015 08:45 (ten years ago)

two years pass...

Once we know the number one, we believe that we know the number two, because one plus one equals two. We forget that first we must know the meaning of plus.

I love the texture of Alpha 60's voice.

carrotless, turnip-pocketed (fionnland), Monday, 2 April 2018 12:38 (eight years ago)

From the interview scene, Lemmy drives a Ford "Galaxie". No such car existed at the time and he actually drives a Mustang. Ford did start producing the Galaxy thirty years later though.

carrotless, turnip-pocketed (fionnland), Monday, 2 April 2018 13:04 (eight years ago)

Thread doesn’t seem to note that originally he intended to film Brian Aldiss’s Non-Stop but soon realized that he didn’t have the budget for the generation starship sets.

Rudy’s Mood For Dub (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 2 April 2018 13:22 (eight years ago)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Galaxie

The Ford Galaxie is a full-sized car that was built in the United States of America by Ford for model years 1959 through to 1974.

'63 Galaxie: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/92/1963_Ford_Galaxie_sedan_2_--_06-05-2010.jpg/280px-1963_Ford_Galaxie_sedan_2_--_06-05-2010.jpg

WilliamC, Monday, 2 April 2018 13:24 (eight years ago)

Ah shite, my bad. Assumed because it was a Mustang he actually drove the Galaxie must have been a made up space-y sounding model. Thanks for the correction.

carrotless, turnip-pocketed (fionnland), Monday, 2 April 2018 13:48 (eight years ago)

five years pass...

is the poem (“your voice, your eyes, your hands, your lips…”) attributed to eluard actually an eluard poem? why can’t I find it anywhere?

k3vin k., Thursday, 9 November 2023 11:01 (two years ago)

You are not the first to ask the question, and the answer is: apparently, it's a collage of lines from multiple poems by Eluard

The king of the demo (bernard snowy), Thursday, 9 November 2023 14:25 (two years ago)

http://cavesdumajestic.canalblog.com/archives/2016/07/22/34089500.html

The king of the demo (bernard snowy), Thursday, 9 November 2023 14:25 (two years ago)


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