Taking sides; James Bond vs the Rolling Stones

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Two middle class English monoliths of contemporary culture, superbrands celebrating 40* years in the business.

Both produced their best work in the 60's and have been increasingly turning into a parody of themselves as younger hipper pretenders steal their moves. Straitjacketed by their legacy, producing product which is a pale shadow of their former glories, honestly this is the best one since..... Both are enjoying a comprehensive reissue programme.

Both are cosily (anti)establishment and both are legendary cocksmiths with an antiquated attitude to women and a barely disguised streak of brutality.

So, which one's the most relevant and/or important?

*it's more than 40 for both of course.

― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Monday, 25 November 2002 10:43 (twenty-three years ago)

God I hate the Rolling Stones.

― Mark C (Mark C), Monday, 25 November 2002 11:43 (twenty-three years ago)

The vital difference: we've had a number of different men play Bond over the years...as soon as the older model got too old and it was inconceivable to picture him getting a stiffy much less actually banging Ms. Galore, a newer, supposedly better-harder-bodied (but in roger moore's case?) specimen was brought in to fill the manly shoes.

If only the rolling stones had followed this as well. Would't it have been groovy to see some hot young 70s studs do Some Girls rather than those saggy-faced, skinny-thighed trendoid freaks ? We'd be onto at least our 4th or 5th version now...(oh yeah, I'm forgeting the talent part same-people-need-to-write-the-songs, aren't I ?)

― V, Monday, 25 November 2002 12:31 (twenty-three years ago)

...of course, this is the job the Strokes were born for.

When you say that younger hipper contenders are stealing James Bonds moves, you're not thinking of xXx, are you? Cause it's terrible. And DAD is kicking it's arse at the box office, as far as I know. Though that's another link: The Rolling Stone Touring Machine made more money than any other last year. Or possibly the year before. Or the year before that.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 25 November 2002 13:55 (twenty-three years ago)

i was thinking about nu-beatles as bonds last night...like if the beatles were the connery bond, then maybe elo or cheap trick was the roger moore bond and then oasis are the pierce brosnan bond, but who would be the david niven and george lazenbee bond-beatles?

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Monday, 25 November 2002 14:05 (twenty-three years ago)

and that would make big star "flint" and the deftones are xXx, the kinks are get carter (original version) & dave matthews is the grisham guy

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Monday, 25 November 2002 14:07 (twenty-three years ago)

When you say that younger hipper contenders are stealing James Bonds moves, you're not thinking of xXx, are you? Yeah, a little bit though I haven't seen it. Sounds a bit too Action man for my liking. I was thinking more of the whole action movie genre from the mid-80's onwards which has been using the ideas refined by Gilbert/Brocolli/Adams in the 60's. Quite why Ridley Scott hasn't been asked to produce Bond movie is mystery to me.

In answer to the original question let's just say I'll go to see DAD
sometime soon but It'll be a long time before I buy a Stones album.

Fritz, presumably Austin Powers is Weird Al Yankovic or Tenacious D.

― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Monday, 25 November 2002 14:17 (twenty-three years ago)

ha! yes exactly!

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Monday, 25 November 2002 14:22 (twenty-three years ago)

... only funny.

Also to be honest the Bond films still stand out where the Rolling Stones don't (woof!). The idea of a band selling themselves as "Rolling Stones - but Extreme!" in the same way as xXx did with Bond is completely bizarre.

I think that Ridley Scott hasn't been asked to do one because you can imagine exactly what they'd be like, and also he might give the Broccoli's some lip. I love the way they get people like Michael Apted and Lee Tamahori to do them. Wasn't Ang Lee's name being thrown around a few years ago?

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 25 November 2002 14:25 (twenty-three years ago)

Would't it have been groovy to see some hot young 70s studs do Some Girls rather than those saggy-faced, skinny-thighed trendoid freaks ? We'd be onto at least our 4th or 5th version now...

Ever hear of Menudo?

― j.lu (j.lu), Monday, 25 November 2002 15:16 (twenty-three years ago)

Who would be the Timothy Dalton Bond, eh?

― jm, Monday, 25 November 2002 16:08 (twenty-three years ago)

the posies

(i just posted this on ilm too which is some kind of foul i think, I'm going to give myself a yellow card)

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Monday, 25 November 2002 17:59 (twenty-three years ago)

The Rutles would obviously be the David Niven Bond

― Chris Barrus (xibalba), Monday, 25 November 2002 23:48 (twenty-three years ago)

"have the Rolling Stones killed."

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 26 November 2002 00:27 (twenty-three years ago)

thanks, chris. that is on the money.

this beatle-bond question was actually keeping me awake last night.

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 26 November 2002 00:32 (twenty-three years ago)

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