Marni Nixon!
― James Carr Thief (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 21 December 2024 00:27 (one year ago)
Martha Tilton!
Annette Warren!
― James Carr Thief (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 21 December 2024 00:28 (one year ago)
Anita Ellis!
― James Carr Thief (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 21 December 2024 00:30 (one year ago)
How many of these were there? It’s a fascinating subject but I’m lost after Marni Nixon. Thank you for providing those other names to investigate
― Josefa, Saturday, 21 December 2024 01:05 (one year ago)
Please explain what this term means
― calstars, Saturday, 21 December 2024 01:10 (one year ago)
guessing when a pretty actress can't sing, they overdub some competent singer behind them?
― Andy the Grasshopper, Saturday, 21 December 2024 01:19 (one year ago)
^this
― James Carr Thief (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 21 December 2024 01:20 (one year ago)
Example?
― calstars, Saturday, 21 December 2024 01:21 (one year ago)
― James Carr Thief (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 21 December 2024 01:23 (one year ago)
apparently very common in Indian/Pakistani cinema...
which make sense since they do so much dubbing anyway, even to this day
― Andy the Grasshopper, Saturday, 21 December 2024 01:24 (one year ago)
Everyone knows Marni Nixon surely?
― Please play Lou Reed's irritating guitar sounds (Tom D.), Saturday, 21 December 2024 01:25 (one year ago)
That’s why I asked for Hollywood in the title since those singers are more well-known and have been stars in their own right. (xp)
― James Carr Thief (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 21 December 2024 01:26 (one year ago)
Bill Shirley! Who overdubbed pretty boy actor Jeremy Brett in My Fair Lady - even though Jeremy Brett actually could sing.
― Please play Lou Reed's irritating guitar sounds (Tom D.), Saturday, 21 December 2024 01:26 (one year ago)
Marni Nixon, Martha Tilton, Annette Warren...
― milms and foovies (sic), Saturday, 21 December 2024 01:27 (one year ago)
Gilda
Anita Ellis dubbed the singing voice of Rita Hayworth in all songs.
― visiting, Saturday, 21 December 2024 01:27 (one year ago)
― James Carr Thief (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 21 December 2024 01:30 (one year ago)
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2023/sep/29/christopher-plummer-the-sound-of-music-hollywood-ghost-singers
― visiting, Saturday, 21 December 2024 01:30 (one year ago)
I don’t recognize any of those names
― calstars, Saturday, 21 December 2024 01:32 (one year ago)
Marni Nixon singing for Natalie Wood in West Side Story is probably the most canonical and famous example.
― James Carr Thief (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 21 December 2024 01:33 (one year ago)
often the person being dubbed could actually sing but the studio execs deemed their singing not professional enough or slick enough or loud enough or something.
yeah wikipedia points out that Hayworth credibly sang in some of Gilda, but Ellis was dubbed over everything because their voices didn't match.
― visiting, Saturday, 21 December 2024 01:34 (one year ago)
The mini-mise en abyme of Debbie Reynolds being dubbed in Singin’ in the Rain is something I half-remembered. There’s also a companion story about Jean Hagen dubbing her own self.
― James Carr Thief (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 21 December 2024 01:36 (one year ago)
_often the person being dubbed could actually sing but the studio execs deemed their singing not professional enough or slick enough or loud enough or something._yeah wikipedia points out that Hayworth credibly sang in some of Gilda, but Ellis was dubbed over everything because their voices didn't match.
― James Carr Thief (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 21 December 2024 01:39 (one year ago)
Much like
― James Carr Thief (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 21 December 2024 01:40 (one year ago)
TIL about The Two Bettys of this thread: Betty Noyes and Betty Wand
― James Carr Thief (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 21 December 2024 01:41 (one year ago)
All of these people seem to have pretty interesting Wikipedia pages.
― James Carr Thief (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 21 December 2024 01:43 (one year ago)
_Example?__Gilda__Anita Ellis dubbed the singing voice of Rita Hayworth in all songs._
― James Carr Thief (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 21 December 2024 01:50 (one year ago)
See also:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aqtbc1lIK0U
― James Carr Thief (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 21 December 2024 01:53 (one year ago)
Martha Tilton for Barbara Stanwyck on "Drum Boogie" in Ball of Fire:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcRlcdbDpTk
― James Carr Thief (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 21 December 2024 01:58 (one year ago)
Martha Tilton singing with Benny Goodman's band on the 1939 number one hit "And the Angels Sing," written by ZIggy Elman and Johnny Mercer:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hKwEf-rSZs
― James Carr Thief (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 21 December 2024 02:03 (one year ago)
tl;dr (yet) article on Marni Nixon:https://musicaltheatrereview.com/the-voice-of-them-all-a-tribute-to-marni-nixon/
― James Carr Thief (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 21 December 2024 02:04 (one year ago)
Long interview with one of her husbands, composer Ernest Gold, father of Andrew, about his own career, which I never knew anything about:https://cinescores.dudaone.com/a-conversation-with-ernest-gold
― James Carr Thief (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 21 December 2024 02:07 (one year ago)
Annette Warren, whose existence I was unaware of until I started this thread, is still alive. 102 years old!
― James Carr Thief (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 21 December 2024 02:10 (one year ago)
Ava Gardner herself singing "Can't Help Lovin' Dat Man" from Show Boat:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFev0w7VgK8
― James Carr Thief (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 21 December 2024 02:17 (one year ago)
(or so it says)
― James Carr Thief (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 21 December 2024 02:18 (one year ago)
Assuming this is the version dubbed by Annette Warren:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGOyycNqiWA
― James Carr Thief (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 21 December 2024 02:20 (one year ago)
Kind of hard to tell apart tbh. The dubbed version is fuller, but Ava's performance (from an LP) is really very good. Unless these are just both the same version.
― James Carr Thief (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 21 December 2024 02:27 (one year ago)
There's also this version of the clip: https://www.tcm.com/video/434141/show-boat-1951-movie-clip-cant-help-lovin-dat-man
― James Carr Thief (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 21 December 2024 02:29 (one year ago)
The comments in that first Show Boat video have some good info and mention a few of these singers and add another name:
― James Carr Thief (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 21 December 2024 02:31 (one year ago)
Carol Richards!
― James Carr Thief (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 21 December 2024 02:32 (one year ago)
Cyd Charisse singing for herself on "It's a Chemical Romance" from Silk Stockings:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iyyd2uD9F5QComments have a bunch of new names, including an Easter Egg for Josefa!
― James Carr Thief (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 21 December 2024 02:36 (one year ago)
The Carol Richards version:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfpPO1oetXQ
― James Carr Thief (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 21 December 2024 02:38 (one year ago)
India Adams!
― James Carr Thief (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 21 December 2024 02:41 (one year ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0p_nm9Xyg6s
There's a Marni Nixon interview linked in the Guardian piece above... Regarding her work on West Side Story:
She never received credit for any of her work on the film, although she did get royalties for the soundtrack."It was kind of unheard of at that point," she says. "But I stuck to my guns."Credit also goes to composer Leonard Bernstein, who gave up a quarter-percentage of his royalties so Nixon could be compensated for what turned out to be the best-selling album of the 1960s, and the one with the longest run at No 1 on the Billboard album charts – 54 weeks.
"It was kind of unheard of at that point," she says. "But I stuck to my guns."
Credit also goes to composer Leonard Bernstein, who gave up a quarter-percentage of his royalties so Nixon could be compensated for what turned out to be the best-selling album of the 1960s, and the one with the longest run at No 1 on the Billboard album charts – 54 weeks.
― visiting, Saturday, 21 December 2024 02:45 (one year ago)
Brain exploding a bit. May need to take a break.Almost forget that Lenny did that,
― James Carr Thief (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 21 December 2024 02:48 (one year ago)
Posted that India Adams video without looking first but It turns out to be pretty interesting.
Another name isMarion DoengesAlthough her credits are sparser and in less well-known films.
― James Carr Thief (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 21 December 2024 02:55 (one year ago)
Thank you all for accompanying me down this rabbit hole.
― James Carr Thief (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 21 December 2024 02:57 (one year ago)
Martha Mears, sung "White Christmas" for Marjorie Reynolds in Holiday Inn
Jo Ann Greer, sung Rita Hayworth's parts in Pal Joey
Trudy Stevens, sung Kim Novak's parts in Pal Joey
― Josefa, Saturday, 21 December 2024 03:25 (one year ago)
Thanks! Was getting confused about Jo Ann Greer tbh, and couldn’t be bothered to drill down to find her biggest splash.
― James Carr Thief (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 21 December 2024 03:30 (one year ago)
Reminds me that one of Carol Richards’s big credits under her own name was with Der Bingle on “Silver Bells”:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBFHUyVAch4
― James Carr Thief (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 21 December 2024 03:32 (one year ago)
Trudy Stevens also dubbed Vera-Ellen’s singing voice in White Christmas upon the recommendation of her friend Rosemary Clooney.
― James Carr Thief (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 21 December 2024 03:42 (one year ago)
Paint Your Wagon
Eastwood and Marvin did their own singing, while Seberg's songs were dubbed by Anita Gordon
― visiting, Saturday, 21 December 2024 03:43 (one year ago)
Clearing up another mystery, here’s Cyd Charisse again, being dubbed by one of Josefa’s favorite artists, as discussed before on the relevant thread: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcjEZuXQyDw
― James Carr Thief (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 21 December 2024 03:52 (one year ago)
Vikki Carr!
Cyd is no longer with us, but her dubber in The Silencers is.
― Josefa, Saturday, 21 December 2024 04:26 (one year ago)
idk if this is available anywhere at the moment, but a really good documentary on the subject:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03bxrxj
― badder living thru Kemistry (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 21 December 2024 08:00 (one year ago)
This looks promising:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtw60GJB0Oc
― James Carr Thief (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 21 December 2024 08:32 (one year ago)
That whole channel is devoted to this topic, and I already posted an Ava Gardner video from it.
― James Carr Thief (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 21 December 2024 08:35 (one year ago)
Okay, starting to watch but will need to sleep soon
― James Carr Thief (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 21 December 2024 08:36 (one year ago)
Watched past Singin’ in the Rain to confirm what has already been said here about it.
― James Carr Thief (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 21 December 2024 08:47 (one year ago)
Got some other names for singers who dubbed RIta Hayworth.
― James Carr Thief (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 21 December 2024 17:32 (one year ago)
Martha Mears!
― James Carr Thief (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 21 December 2024 17:33 (one year ago)
Nan Wynn!
Long Martha Mears video from our friend at Lost Vocals:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQxUrn8kRKk
― James Carr Thief (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 21 December 2024 17:35 (one year ago)
Here's part one of a shorter overview of the whole thing from the same guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXm5C7mkCJk
― James Carr Thief (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 21 December 2024 17:42 (one year ago)
Which links to this master list:https://www.janettedavis.net/Dubbers/dubberslist.php
Trudy Stevens also went by Trudy Erwin, which I believe was her real name.
― James Carr Thief (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 21 December 2024 17:48 (one year ago)
Long list worth it if only for this: Betty Noyes, Dorothy Compton and Marjorie Briggs for Munchkin Tri
Pretty good overview here of many we have discussed along with some new names:https://www.classicmoviehub.com/blog/musical-interlude-the-singing-voices-behind-the-stars/
― James Carr Thief (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 21 December 2024 17:52 (one year ago)
This thread should also mention the notorious Andy Williams dubbing Lauren Bacall in The Big Sleep rumor that has been debunked. Howard Hawks apparently changed his mind and did not use those recordings.
― James Carr Thief (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 21 December 2024 19:24 (one year ago)
It's wild that, according to that blog piece, Betty Wand sang for both Leslie Caron in Gigi and Shelley Winters in The Poseidon Adventure, but the latter is funny because what did Shelley Winters sing in that film... they must be referring to the group rendition of "Auld Lang Syne."
― Josefa, Saturday, 21 December 2024 19:48 (one year ago)
I feel gullible that I fell for the fake French accent in the first one.
― James Carr Thief (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 21 December 2024 20:11 (one year ago)
Trudy Erwin Stevens singing "The WIsh That I Wish Tonight"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKqLBFxFVhI
― James Carr Thief (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 21 December 2024 21:06 (one year ago)
Which seems to have originated in Christmas in Connecticut?
― James Carr Thief (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 21 December 2024 21:50 (one year ago)
Can't quite tell if Trudy Stevens and Trudy Erwin are the same person. Something made me think that they were.
― James Carr Thief (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 21 December 2024 21:54 (one year ago)
Okay, the real name of Trudy Stevens was Gertrude Ewan. She also sang under her married name Trudy Stabile.
― James Carr Thief (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 21 December 2024 22:00 (one year ago)
― James Carr Thief (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 21 December 2024 22:04 (one year ago)
Trudy Stevens also dubbed Vera-Ellen’s singing voice in _White Christmas_ upon the recommendation of her friend Rosemary Clooney.
― James Carr Thief (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 21 December 2024 22:27 (one year ago)
Reminds me that one of Carol Richards’s big credits under her own name was with Der Bingle on “Silver Bells”
― James Carr Thief (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 21 December 2024 23:07 (one year ago)
Carol Richards dubbed Cyd Charisse's singing in Brigadoon
― James Carr Thief (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 21 December 2024 23:20 (one year ago)
Kind of a mix-and-match bingo card: one Bing Crosby duet, check! One Cyd Charisse overdub, check!
― James Carr Thief (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 21 December 2024 23:21 (one year ago)
― James Carr Thief (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 22 December 2024 15:14 (one year ago)
Hearing all the Christmas Bing reminding me of this thread.
― James Carr Thief (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 25 December 2024 21:07 (one year ago)
Wonder if should finally go and see Pal Joey?
― Blind Willie Minitel (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 25 February 2025 17:54 (ten months ago)
Martha Tilton for Barbara Stanwyck on "Drum Boogie" in Ball of Fire:
I saw Ball of Fire for the first time recently (it's free on Youtube) and "Drum Boogie" is absolutely the most "will this do?" item song I've ever seen. Barbara Stanwyck sort of walks around a little bit and does a bit of a call and response and that's kind of it. I love that someone else had to do the actual singing.
Obviously it's still great.
― trishyb, Tuesday, 25 February 2025 18:14 (ten months ago)
lol she also just sits down halfway through the song.
― Kim Kimberly, Tuesday, 25 February 2025 18:24 (ten months ago)
Trying to figure out who dubbed Linda Darnell's singing voice in My Darling Clementine I came up short but found some other intriguing leads.
― Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 1 October 2025 14:22 (three months ago)
Such as: Actress Kay St. Germain Wells, (ex-)wife of actor Jack Carson, dubbed Linda Darnell's singing voice in Centennial Summer and Hangover Square. Kay also appeared on both Petticoat Junction and Green Acres.
― Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 1 October 2025 14:29 (three months ago)
Carol Richards dubbed Cyd Charisse's singing in _Brigadoon_
― Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 4 October 2025 20:21 (two months ago)
Seems to be some useful info here: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.arts.movies.past-films/c/fHSZvflktrM
― Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 10 October 2025 02:27 (two months ago)
Which led me to this long playlist:http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWL6cFtkoBlp_KBuUJ8YvrL_fQBR7GAFF
― Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 10 October 2025 02:40 (two months ago)
Doreen Tryden!
― Nicholas Raybeat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 9 November 2025 04:03 (one month ago)
Sally Sweetland!
― Nicholas Raybeat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 6 December 2025 13:38 (three weeks ago)
I just watched “Some Like It Hot” for the first time in probably 20 years and just assumed someone was singing Marilyn Monroe’s parts because of the times but I was pleasantly surprised to be wrong!
― My homies buttthole surfers' record sounds like a f (Western® with Bacon Flavor), Saturday, 6 December 2025 15:38 (three weeks ago)
Sweet Sue and her Society Syncopators!
― Nicholas Raybeat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 6 December 2025 18:47 (three weeks ago)
And every one of them is a virtuoso.
i enjoyed this recent Decoder Ring episode about the history of actors singing on film, including with ghost singers:https://slate.com/podcasts/decoder-ring/2025/09/from-hollywood-to-bollywood-how-do-we-decide-who-sings-in-the-movies
― jaymc, Sunday, 7 December 2025 03:07 (three weeks ago)
Looks good. Will listen later thanks.
― Nicholas Raybeat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 7 December 2025 03:26 (three weeks ago)
Almost halfway through. Very good so far.
― Nicholas Raybeat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 7 December 2025 03:54 (three weeks ago)
Just noticed a funny thing of some streaming services crediting Nan Wynn as singing for Rita Hayworth in Cover Girl when in this case it was the ubiquitous Martha Mears. Nan Wynn sang for her on some earlier films. Anita Ellis, who sang for Rita in Gilda, managed to stay above the fray in this case.
― Nicholas Raybeat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 14 December 2025 21:00 (two weeks ago)
Nan Wynn originated "Dearly Beloved" in You Were Never Lovelier so she's no slouch.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcIUjUarBx0
― Nicholas Raybeat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 14 December 2025 21:43 (two weeks ago)
Forgot about Jo Ann Greer, who also dubbed Rita.
― Nicholas Raybeat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 15 December 2025 12:59 (two weeks ago)