Nobel Disease (tendency of experts in one field to become confident bozos in another) and its Opposite (people you don't expect to have genuine chops in something they're not famous for)

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It feels like we're constantly beset by hucksters who have parlayed success (sometimes impressive and duly earned, oftentimes gross) in one area into an expanding portfolio of loud crank bullshit, but what about people who are public superstars in one area but have managed to keep a low profile about their true secret talents?

Philip Nunez, Saturday, 21 June 2025 17:56 (one week ago)

James Watson would be an obvious example.

can't complain, mustn't grumble, melancholy apple c (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 21 June 2025 18:02 (one week ago)

William Shockley is the ultra example of this. He won a shared Nobel for the development of the transistor. He later published a pseudo-scientific book to "prove" that north Europeans are intellectually superior to Blacks and other inferior races.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, 21 June 2025 18:04 (one week ago)

Who would be the Clark Kents to these Lex Luthors?

Philip Nunez, Saturday, 21 June 2025 18:34 (one week ago)

people who are public superstars in one area but have managed to keep a low profile about their true secret talents?

Hedy Lamarr

you gotta roll with the pączki to get to what's real (snoball), Saturday, 21 June 2025 18:41 (one week ago)

Les Paul maybe? Though the two fields are hardly poles apart.

can't complain, mustn't grumble, melancholy apple c (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 21 June 2025 18:44 (one week ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7KqMXStHC0

you gotta roll with the pączki to get to what's real (snoball), Saturday, 21 June 2025 18:50 (one week ago)

re: Hedy Lamarr -- it's funny she gets pegged for being a spy, but no one suspects... Julia Child: Agent of OSS!

Philip Nunez, Saturday, 21 June 2025 18:55 (one week ago)

Josephine Baker was also an allied spy. And on the other side of the coin there's Coco Chanel I guess.

can't complain, mustn't grumble, melancholy apple c (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 21 June 2025 18:57 (one week ago)

Does Phil Collins, Alamo expert fit here?

omar little, Saturday, 21 June 2025 21:33 (one week ago)

steven pinker. nate silver.

not low-key but apparently james cameron really is an expert re: submersibles

mookieproof, Saturday, 21 June 2025 22:03 (one week ago)

If we're talking linguists who make ill-advised forays into political commentary, I would add John McWhorter.

(And the positive example would be Chomsky of course)

can't complain, mustn't grumble, melancholy apple c (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 21 June 2025 22:08 (one week ago)

In the actors who you didn't expect to have the expertise of the characters they played dept...
Here's Nick Offerman building a canoe:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8cEZmOChug

Philip Nunez, Saturday, 21 June 2025 22:53 (one week ago)

Not sure which this is but I remember when cable news kept bringing Kevin Costner on as an expert on cleaning up oil spills.

Iza Duffus Hardy (President Keyes), Saturday, 21 June 2025 22:58 (one week ago)

And then there’s Terrence Howard, math genius.

Iza Duffus Hardy (President Keyes), Saturday, 21 June 2025 23:00 (one week ago)

I was genuinely surprised by Molly Ringwald’s second career as a French translator

czech hunter biden's laptop (the table is the table), Sunday, 22 June 2025 00:19 (six days ago)

Steves Albini and Davis both championship level poker players

a welcome blast of fetid air (Matt #2), Sunday, 22 June 2025 00:23 (six days ago)

Peter Weller: Robocop, Buckaroo Banzai, and PhD art historian who just published a book on Leon Battista Alberti

Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 22 June 2025 03:19 (six days ago)

Linus Pauling on vitamin C.

nickn, Sunday, 22 June 2025 03:22 (six days ago)

Jeff "Skunk" Baxter and the defense dept.

nickn, Sunday, 22 June 2025 03:23 (six days ago)

I remember many years ago being surprised to find out that Lance Henriksen, star of Millennium two-two and lots of exploitation films, is or was a decently talented potter. He used to have a website, sadly no longer online. It's mentioned in this thread from Home Theatre Forum dated 2002, but irritatingly they've removed the actual link.

In the late 1970s Lou Reed was apparently a credible pinball player:
https://damienlove.com/writing/im-set-free-the-making-of-lou-reeds-take-no-prisoners-an-oral-history/

Which brought me to An die Kulturwelt!, "a proclamation by 93 prominent Germans supporting Germany in the start of World War I" released in October 1914, including several Nobel prizewinners albeit that the Nobel prizes were probably a lot less wishy-washy back then:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifesto_of_the_Ninety-Three

Among the names is, amusingly, Engelbert Humperdinck. The real Engelbert Humperdinck. And Gerhart Hauptmann, winner of the 1912 Nobel Prize for Literature, and later part of the NSDAP's Gottbegnadeten list of top cultural figures who should be preserved at all costs.

Ashley Pomeroy, Sunday, 22 June 2025 13:51 (six days ago)

Does DJ Harvey make surfboards or does he just sell them?

brimstead, Sunday, 22 June 2025 15:43 (six days ago)

I guess one can have "chops" in theology as in any practice: Canadian 80s/90s soft-rocker Paul Janz became "Professor Emeritus of Philosophical Theology and Head of the Department of Theology and Religious Studies at King's College London",

Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 25 June 2025 15:59 (three days ago)

Having spent a lot of time around a number of people with PhDs in the sciences last week... this thread is exactly what I need

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Wednesday, 25 June 2025 16:01 (three days ago)

The wikipedia page on this has some notable examples, and a rather astute quote from Milton Friedman of all people:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_disease

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Wednesday, 25 June 2025 16:05 (three days ago)

Something that amplifies the impact of Nobel Disease, the Gell-Mann Amnesia Effect:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gell-Mann_amnesia_effect

fluffy tufts university (f. hazel), Wednesday, 25 June 2025 16:16 (three days ago)

Sounds a bit like Crichton justifying his climate-change skepticism.

Iza Duffus Hardy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 25 June 2025 16:19 (three days ago)

Crichton is an interesting case because he started out in medicine, became a thriller/science fiction writer, and just warped into a bitter climate change denier and kept elevating his misogyny

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Wednesday, 25 June 2025 16:30 (three days ago)


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