List of 1982 box office number-one films in the United States

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Poll Closing Date: Monday, 30 June 2025 00:00 (in 1 day)

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I left E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial and Tootsie, the highest-grossing films of the year, in there.

Modern Problems
Sharkey's Machine
Absence of Malice
On Golden Pond
Richard Pryor: Live on the Sunset Strip
Porky's
Conan the Barbarian
Rocky III
Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial
The Best Little Whorehouse in Texas
Friday the 13th Part III
An Officer and a Gentleman
Amityville II: The Possession
First Blood
Creepshow
The Toy
Tootsie


hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 June 2025 13:13 (five days ago)

Yeesh

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 23 June 2025 13:15 (five days ago)

Overlapping somewhat with the films on the 1981 box office poll:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBMfMopSj3Q

Halfway there but for you, Monday, 23 June 2025 13:42 (five days ago)

Kinda wild that a (terrific) Richard Pryor concert film would hit #1 at the box office.

cryptosicko, Monday, 23 June 2025 14:25 (five days ago)

right?

hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 June 2025 14:36 (five days ago)

Actually gonna vote Khan here — the best Star Trek movie and as such the best single representation of the Star Trek mythos.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Monday, 23 June 2025 14:52 (five days ago)

Thought about first blood and tootsie (a well made movie i never need to see again) but yeah it’s ST2

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 23 June 2025 14:56 (five days ago)

a few i really like, but the richard pryor special contains some of the most transcendent stand-up ever put to tape

gestures broadly at...everything (voodoo chili), Monday, 23 June 2025 14:58 (five days ago)

The Wrath of Khan has one of the great villain performances of all time -- by playing it straight Ricardo Montalban somehow avoids camp and earns the Ahab comparisons -- and I'm tempted to vote for it. First Blood's incoherent politics still results in one of Stallone's best punch-ups.

tootsie (a well made movie i never need to see again)

Tootsie's a well0-made movie I need to see every four days.

hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 June 2025 14:58 (five days ago)

E.T. and Tootsie beautifully represent the best of what Hollywood could do in the early 80s.

cryptosicko, Monday, 23 June 2025 15:00 (five days ago)

Thia is a hard choice until the last film on the list, and then it's easy

Josefa, Monday, 23 June 2025 15:02 (five days ago)

Not going to vote for it, but I remember liking Sharkey's Machine a lot. Henry Silva is scary as hell in it.

WmC, Monday, 23 June 2025 15:02 (five days ago)

Btw "Sharkey" looks more correct to me too, but it's "Sharky"

Josefa, Monday, 23 June 2025 15:04 (five days ago)

directed by Burt Reynolds!

hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 June 2025 15:05 (five days ago)

E.T. -- Spielberg's best?

hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 June 2025 15:06 (five days ago)

I think I saw ET at the exact wrong age to love it — I was 12 and it already felt a little too cute to me. Four years younger or eight years older, I probably would have appreciated it more. But for that reason it's never quite sunk in for me. I do love the way he uses the suburban setting to evoke mystery and menace.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Monday, 23 June 2025 15:09 (five days ago)

I was four. I still have my original ET doll from 1982. It's my all-time favorite movie. I watched it recently and it's still so wonderful.

Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Monday, 23 June 2025 15:11 (five days ago)

For some reason we had the toy on vhs and I watched it repeatedly as a kid. See also Mr Mom but that's not on the list.

Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Monday, 23 June 2025 15:12 (five days ago)

wait what the fuck - we also had wrath of khan and best little whorehouse in texas on VHS. Was that the year VCRs came out? Was everyone just copying movies for each other? Weird.

Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Monday, 23 June 2025 15:13 (five days ago)

Oh totally. I remember dubbed copies of Pete's Dragon and a lot of the other early Disney VHS releases making their way into our library via whatever network my parents had set up with friends and relatives. Also, National Lampoon's Vacation, Stroker Ace, Psycho II, and for some reason the 1963 Lord of the Flies.

cryptosicko, Monday, 23 June 2025 15:20 (five days ago)

First Blood's incoherent politics still results in one of Stallone's best punch-ups.

First Blood basically just says America hates the unhoused and the police are its main enforcers. This becomes incoherent if you look at the rah rah sequels or even its scriptwriter's own politics but internally I think it's pretty coherent.

a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Monday, 23 June 2025 15:25 (five days ago)

Well, no, because the police act as if Rambo's a dirty hippie who loathed the war. Why would they hate a Vietnam vet? This is John Milius we're talking about here, who loves these kinds of stews.

hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 June 2025 15:27 (five days ago)

See also Mr Mom but that's not on the list.

1983.

hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 June 2025 15:30 (five days ago)

Don't think I could make a choice but kinda delighted to learn Creepshow hit number one -- it's a remarkably effective film (and an anthology film at that, though with just one director in Romero), aiming for and nailing those EC horror comics vibes they explicitly set out to capture. Without overstating the case, it almost felt like the gleeful long term vengeance of the all the fans of those original comics who were kids loving them in the 1950s, even while the gelling of Satanic panic vibes were starting to emerge to start the cycle anew.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 23 June 2025 15:31 (five days ago)

xps i was about 11 when i saw e.t. not long after release (on pirate video, at school!) and, while i remember being into it at the time and had an e.t. plushie, it never stuck with me the way star wars had done.

Kim Kimberly, Monday, 23 June 2025 15:32 (five days ago)

The last segment of Creepshow remains one of the most disgusting things I've ever seen in a movie.

cryptosicko, Monday, 23 June 2025 15:34 (five days ago)

Well, no, because the police act as if Rambo's a dirty hippie who loathed the war. Why would they hate a Vietnam vet?

As I said, he's an unhoused person with possible mental health issues, you think the cops are gonna worry about his service record?? That's buying into the right's propaganda imo.

a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Monday, 23 June 2025 15:37 (five days ago)

wild to see how the addiction to sequels had already started, way back then

sleeve, Monday, 23 June 2025 15:38 (five days ago)

Brian Dennehy and his squad code as right wing cops, so their instant revulsion towards Rambo is implausible to me. We'll just disagree.

hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 June 2025 15:40 (five days ago)

This is John Milius we're talking about here, who loves these kinds of stews.

Not a Milius movie?

Kim Kimberly, Monday, 23 June 2025 15:44 (five days ago)

Was that the year VCRs came out?

VHS was officially launched in 1977 (IIRC), but really took off in the early '80s when cheaper players hit the market and catalogue titles on tape started having lower MSRPs--plus the sudden ubiquity of paperback movie guides by critics like Ebert, Maltin etc.

Lithium Just Madison (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 23 June 2025 15:45 (five days ago)

Not a Milius movie?

― Kim Kimberly,

Yeah, oops! I don't know why I thought he co-wrote it with Sly.

hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 June 2025 15:46 (five days ago)

Absolutely could be a Milius movie.

Kim Kimberly, Monday, 23 June 2025 15:49 (five days ago)

Ted Kotcheff also directed the following year's Uncommon Valor, a decent Vietnam film starring Gene Hackman.

hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 June 2025 15:57 (five days ago)

Creepshow for me. Ned’s choice of efficient is exactly right - I saw it with a packed audience on its first run and we all had a blast. Still one of the few comic book movies that does actually feel like a comic - and having a Berni Wrightson graphic novel adaptation to go with it was a real coup at the time.

In the UK there was a pretty long wait to see ET after its US release and it was probably the most anticipated blockbuster since Star Wars. It was also at the start of video rental culture in Britain so soon every dodgy Brit video shop had a bootleg copy under the counter. So my memory of it is tied up with Fulci, Argento and all the other video nasties I was renting at the time. It was never the same seeing it visually unblemished. And because of all the piracy I think it was quite a while before there was a legit video issue here.

Ward Fowler, Monday, 23 June 2025 16:53 (five days ago)

Per wikipedia, seems crazy today:

E.T. was eventually released on VHS and LaserDisc on October 27, 1988.

visiting, Monday, 23 June 2025 17:35 (five days ago)

The VHS cassette was also rented over six million times during its first two weeks in 1988, a record it held until the VHS release of Batman the following year.[97]

visiting, Monday, 23 June 2025 17:38 (five days ago)

Most of these titles I remember from gazing longingly at the video box in the rental store in the early 80s, but my parents would never let me rent the rated R ones, which seems to be the majority of these. I guess I must have seen ET in the theater though, because I definitely saw it before 1988.

o. nate, Monday, 23 June 2025 19:50 (five days ago)

E.T. might have been the last film I saw at our neighbourhood big-screen theatre, the Odeon Weston, a screen apparently then and probably always without stereo sound:

https://photos.cinematreasures.org/production/photos/422753/1697762312/large.JPG?1697762312

Halfway there but for you, Monday, 23 June 2025 20:23 (five days ago)

I def saw Conan, ET, and Tootsie in the theaters, we went a lot. maybe a few others but I don't think so. def none of the horror stuff or Porky's, and for some reason I was not into ST at that time, just D&D so I did not see Khan.

sleeve, Monday, 23 June 2025 20:26 (five days ago)

Brian Dennehy and his squad code as right wing cops, so their instant revulsion towards Rambo is implausible to me. We'll just disagree.

― hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, June 23, 2025 11:40 AM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

You don't think this serves as a pretty on-the-nose metaphor for how the American bureaucratic system treats veterans after they return?

gioia thoing (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 23 June 2025 20:30 (five days ago)

I'd think so NOW. Also: Rambo's the guy every police force in America would be proud to hire as a hippie killer.

hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 June 2025 20:32 (five days ago)

In the book the cops think Rambo is hippie.

Iza Duffus Hardy (President Keyes), Monday, 23 June 2025 20:34 (five days ago)

My first reaction to E.T. is not that it's cute: shit is *relentless* in that middle section. I'm still bruised by it, tbh.

First Blood's politics are confusing. I think Dennehy is a small-minded cop, protecting his town; he's worried about hippie vagrants and Rambo's veteran status means little to him. Overall, it's pro-military; Troutman's pride is played straight, and Rambo's whole schtick is 'can we do it again so we can win this time?'. The series picks up that thread and runs with it.

I would prefer not to. (Chinaski), Monday, 23 June 2025 20:43 (five days ago)

Assuming Pryor will get plenty of votes, I'm leaning towards the trash here; I need to decide between First Blood, Conan, and Rocky III.

I would prefer not to. (Chinaski), Monday, 23 June 2025 20:46 (five days ago)

First Blood is the only one I've rewatched recently. I thought it held up pretty well as an action thriller. It feels kind of morally and politically ambiguous by design. I'm not even sure how much we are supposed to sympathize with Rambo unleashing hell on that little town because the cops were assholes.

o. nate, Monday, 23 June 2025 20:48 (five days ago)

Per wikipedia, seems crazy today:

E.T. was eventually released on VHS and LaserDisc on October 27, 1988.


Also kind of crazy that if you didn't catch it in the cinema, your first exposure to some of these movies would likely have been a flickering VHS copy, watched on a 21" screen (or maybe even 14")

groovypanda, Monday, 23 June 2025 21:14 (five days ago)

What a different era. A bunch of comedies, a few trashy horror movies, a few oscar-bait pictures, and the closest thing to a special effects blockbuster is a Star Trek movie. I remember the 80s being action movies aimed at children (Conan, Rambo) but a lot of other shit was still popular.

adamt (abanana), Monday, 23 June 2025 21:25 (five days ago)

I'd think so NOW. Also: Rambo's the guy every police force in America would be proud to hire as a hippie killer.

Hmmm yeah, exact opposite for me: Rambo is a veteran of the Vietnam war, during which there was a draft, so the cops can't automatically assume he's a true believer or ideologically aligned with them. Today the same plot wouldn't work as well I don't think.

a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Monday, 23 June 2025 21:27 (five days ago)

E.T. was eventually released on VHS and LaserDisc on October 27, 1988.

Also kind of crazy that if you didn't catch it in the cinema, your first exposure to some of these movies would likely have been a flickering VHS copy, watched on a 21" screen (or maybe even 14")


or seeing it on tv when eventually broadcast in... 1990 (in the uk).

visiting, Monday, 23 June 2025 21:47 (five days ago)

The First Blood to Kurt Cobain connection!

the way out of (Eazy), Tuesday, 24 June 2025 19:00 (four days ago)

then ornaldo bloomps came and changed everything

five six seven, eight nine ten, begin (map), Tuesday, 24 June 2025 19:01 (four days ago)

there's definitely kind of a pipeline i think to where these kind of liberal ideas get coopted - the robert bly -> jordan peterson pipeline. the bly-era "men's movement" was fucked up and was based on _rampant_ cultural appropriation, and it was also very different from MGTOW.

i do think the evolution of people's thinking about vietnam is important. the punisher was originally created as a critique of mack bolan, the executioner, a right-wing power fantasy, and at the same time there is _still_ legit critique, beyond the left-right view, of how america treated vietnam vets. john kerry, i mean, not a great politician but he did get shit from, i hate to say it, "both sides" for serving and coming back and opposing the war. hugh romney's presidential ambitions cratered when he turned against vietnam.

one of the things i found most interesting about "the body keeps the score" was how it starts out by talking about vietnam vets, that a lot of our understandings of cPTSD is based on clinicians' experience with vietnam vets. the part that most people skip over is how much of vietnam veterans' trauma is about the things they _did_.

these men*, a lot of them were drafted, didn't choose. and they were trained to kill for their country, and they were thrown into this incredibly fucked up situation where it was very easy to do some incredibly fucked up things. i do think sometimes about Nguyễn Ngọc Loan, the police chief of what was then saigon. everyone knew that picture and video, the one of him shooting Nguyễn Văn Lém down like a dog in the street. it's even in the Monkees movie, during "Circle Sky". what strikes me about it is that it looked completely different to Eddie Adams than it did to the people in America. Eddie Adams always said that what Nguyễn Ngọc Loan did was completely justified. that's just how war fucking _is_. kill or be killed. and then he comes to america, he tries to make a life for himself, he opens a pizza parlor in new jersey, and people find out what he did, and there's this huge moral panic, this hate campaign, and he has to close the place down.

of course Nguyễn Ngọc Loan was a bastard. was he more of a bastard than any other cop? how the fuck are people supposed to live their lives after they have to do shitty, awful things to survive? after they have to see the most fucked up shit, shit they can't tell anybody about, shit people who haven't been through it can't possibly understand? when they've had to watch their friends, people they care about, die for no fucking reason, had to _know_ that anybody in their lives could die for no fucking reason, that _they_ could die for no fucking reason, and not be able to do anything about it?

"the body keeps the score" starts with vietnam vets, and it doesn't end there.

* i'm gonna generalize vietnam combat troops as men. i _have_ known trans women who served in vietnam before transitioning but the _vast_ majority of people who served were men

Kate (rushomancy), Tuesday, 24 June 2025 19:07 (four days ago)

Blade Runner kinda tanked upon release, yeah? Probably the most important/influential film of '82

Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 24 June 2025 19:10 (four days ago)

The First Blood to Kurt Cobain connection!

― the way out of (Eazy)

you _know_ i have opinions lol

i think the shift was generational. i was born in '76 and i don't remember thinking that people with long hair were girls. an uncle of mine - great guy, just came from a more culturally conservative background - once saw me watching a Yeah Yeah Yeahs concert and asked me if Karen O was a boy or a girl, but that's the only time i actually saw anybody saying that before recently (the gender panic in the US has reached a pitch that longhaired guys are once again sometimes considered suspect).

Kate (rushomancy), Tuesday, 24 June 2025 19:11 (four days ago)

Point taken, but I had a chuckle over Wavy Gravy's presidential ambitions. George Romney.

Briania, Tuesday, 24 June 2025 19:12 (four days ago)

@andy:

fun fact: I was at the revival theater that unknowingly played the Director's Cut of Blade Runner for the first time (the print was considered lost or not even to exist) and we were all blown away by the end. Feel like that was my Woodstock.

imperial frfr (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 24 June 2025 19:14 (four days ago)

but let me check wiki because my memory is known to be a little b0rk'd in the 2025 lol

imperial frfr (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 24 June 2025 19:14 (four days ago)

ok yeah I need the backstory on that plz thx

sleeve, Tuesday, 24 June 2025 19:15 (four days ago)

Several versions of Blade Runner have been shown. The original workprint version (1982, 113 minutes) was shown for audience test previews in Denver and Dallas in March 1982. Negative responses to the previews led to the modifications resulting in the U.S. theatrical version.[83][84] The workprint was shown as a director's cut without Scott's approval at the Los Angeles Fairfax Theater in May 1990, at an AMPAS showing in April 1991, and in September and October 1991 at the Los Angeles NuArt Theater and the San Francisco Castro Theatre.[85] Positive responses pushed the studio to approve work on an official director's cut.[86] A San Diego Sneak Preview was shown only once, in May 1982, and was almost identical to the U.S. theatrical version but contained three extra scenes not shown in any other version, including the 2007 Final Cut.[87]

imperial frfr (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 24 June 2025 19:16 (four days ago)

so the theater had no idea beforehand? they just thought it was the regular version and it got sent to them by accident?

sleeve, Tuesday, 24 June 2025 19:17 (four days ago)

First Blood >>>> Blade Runner (any version)

hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 June 2025 19:18 (four days ago)

first film was great, but the idea of 'john rambo' became a joke almost immediately after

Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 24 June 2025 19:20 (four days ago)

sleeve, you are talking to an old man who is trying to remember details from 35 years ago.

from what i recall there was absolutely no mention of the showing being an alternate cut and then when the bonus material (esp in the 3rd act) starting showing up that ultimately got trimmed it was evident that this was not the film we were accustomed to.

imperial frfr (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 24 June 2025 19:22 (four days ago)

haha ty! that sounds awesome.

sleeve, Tuesday, 24 June 2025 19:25 (four days ago)

first film was great, but the idea of 'john rambo' became a joke almost immediately after

― Andy the Grasshopper,

Imagine Stallone releasing Rambo and Rocky IV during the High Reagan Era.

hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 June 2025 19:28 (four days ago)

i haven't seen tootsie. idk, maybe i should. early 1980s takes on gender presentation were interesting. particularly the idea of the character hoffman plays being a _straight_ man, which isn't what happens in "la cage aux folles".

reading about it on wikipedia sent me to this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPAat-T1uhE

I HAVE SO MANY FUCKING FEELS. I have ALL the feels. i did go through the same stuff hoffman talks about, wanting to not do this unless i can pass - he's talking about passing as a cis woman. and even though he passes, he also wants to be beautiful and when he finds out he can't be a beautiful woman, he goes home and cries.

i do think i'm a beautiful woman. not, i don't know, in a _conventional_ sense. i pass, i'm not physically unattractive, and i think i'm beautiful. and i know that i'm also 49 years old and i have the body and face of a 49 year old woman. i have friends who've had what's called facial feminization surgery, FFS, for dysphoria, and i thought about it. and i decided against it personally because i don't _want_ to be more "conventionally" beautiful. i want to be treated like a pretty girl, though. even though the patriarchy treats pretty girls like objects, i don't want that specifically. i'm glad to be not treated like an object by default. and if i could have the face and body of a pretty 25-year-old, yeah, i would. a lot of why i'm single... i do have low self-esteem. i know there are lots of people who aren't attracted to me because i'm older, because i'm not as conventionally pretty as a lot of other people. i'm lonely.

and i think getting a perspective on that from dustin hoffman, who's a cisgender man, that's helpful to me.

Kate (rushomancy), Tuesday, 24 June 2025 19:30 (four days ago)

Michael Dorsey learns to be a better man after playing a woman -- that's the candy-coated message for Academy voters.

The film's a non-stop zinger machine with one of the best supporting casts in a Hollywood comedy.

hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 June 2025 19:34 (four days ago)

yeah it's good!

sleeve, Tuesday, 24 June 2025 19:35 (four days ago)

generational thinking, I dunno. think it's misleading more than useful. leads us to assume that people are dragged forward into new ways of thinking based on the year they were born when a plurality of them simply are not. the last few elections have shown there are large pockets of American society that have not changed a bit since the 1860s.

my big-city suburban high school in the early 90s I had long hair, and my peers were definitely angry about it. they assumed I was gay, or I wanted to be a girl, or I used long hair to GET girls, but I don't know how invested they were in these theories or if it just pissed them off one some non-verbal level that sometimes got poorly translated into words but usually was expressed by body-checking me in the hallway, pushing me down the stairs, or pouring Coke into my locker vents.

being asked "are you a boy or a girl" was rarely a genuine inquiry unless it was like a 75-year-old lady who was in fact more curious than anything else, it was a way of fucking with you. in simplest terms, long hair was strongly feminine-coded and so any man with long hair was marked - they cannot just have long hair, there had to be a reason. so you cannot leave them alone until you know why. naturally the police response was to treat it as disrespect for authority and be angry about it.

fluffy tufts university (f. hazel), Tuesday, 24 June 2025 19:36 (four days ago)

(My hair is curly and grows upward, so my long-haired 80s/90s period drew Eraserhead comparisons.)

the way out of (Eazy), Tuesday, 24 June 2025 19:40 (four days ago)

Steve Shasta, do you remember if the voiceover was in that BR cut you saw?

Some people thought it was pandering, but I sort of like it as a hardboiled, cornell woolrich kinda vibe

Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 24 June 2025 19:50 (four days ago)

I like the voiceover but Harrison Ford clearly did not

fluffy tufts university (f. hazel), Tuesday, 24 June 2025 19:51 (four days ago)

Never not great, this scene.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnHqiipcw6g

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 24 June 2025 19:59 (four days ago)

SANDY

Well, good night, Michael. It was a wonderful party. My date left with someone else. I had a lot of fun. Do you have any Seconal?

MICHAEL

Come on. I’ll walk you home.

hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 June 2025 20:02 (four days ago)

generational thinking, I dunno. think it's misleading more than useful. leads us to assume that people are dragged forward into new ways of thinking based on the year they were born when a plurality of them simply are not. the last few elections have shown there are large pockets of American society that have not changed a bit since the 1860s.

"generational" i guess is the wrong word. it's more that when someone learns something, right or wrong, it can be difficult to unlearn it, to change those ingrained views. my oldest brother, for instance, who's two years younger than me, he had more internalized homophobia than me, and it's been a struggle for him.

my big-city suburban high school in the early 90s I had long hair, and my peers were definitely angry about it. they assumed I was gay, or I wanted to be a girl, or I used long hair to GET girls, but I don't know how invested they were in these theories or if it just pissed them off one some non-verbal level that sometimes got poorly translated into words but usually was expressed by body-checking me in the hallway, pushing me down the stairs, or pouring Coke into my locker vents.

― fluffy tufts university (f. hazel)

yeah that's the thing that's interesting to me, the whole... they used to call it "the third sex", the idea that homosexual guys were a different _gender_. and the reality is more complicated than that.

what hoffman says connects with me because of the way gender and sexuality are intertwined. in ancient rome the stigma wasn't about being "gay" but about _bottoming_, which you can see if you read catullus 16, and i think a lot of that patriarchal thinking is still with us. gender essentialism is in some way sexual essentialism. there's this division of labor, so to speak, in which men's purpose is to desire, and women's purpose is to be desired. what i like about cis male homosexuality is that it confounds those expectations. if a guy is gay, it's ok for him to be desirable. it's ok for him to be hot. and it makes sense that even if someone's a man, that they might express that through effeminacy.

Michael Dorsey learns to be a better man after playing a woman -- that's the candy-coated message for Academy voters.

― hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn)

i am impressed by that line at the end: "I was a better man with you as a woman than I ever was with a woman as a man." it's not for me so much about the binary, about looking at things from the "other side", but it is about empathy and understanding people different from you. which, because gender _isn't_ presentation, is possible for guys. it's why i'm in favor of guys wearing dresses, not just because a guy can look good, as a guy, in a dress if it's the right style and color for him, but because it's a pretty radical act of opposition to patriarchy, one of the most radical things a guy can actually do. and i understand why guys don't do that, because that has such hugely negative social consequences.

(My hair is curly and grows upward, so my long-haired 80s/90s period drew Eraserhead comparisons.)

― the way out of (Eazy)

lol, my first email handle was literally "eraserhead"... people used to confuse me with david lynch a _lot_.

Kate (rushomancy), Tuesday, 24 June 2025 20:14 (four days ago)

Steve Shasta, do you remember if the voiceover was in that BR cut you saw?

Some people thought it was pandering, but I sort of like it as a hardboiled, cornell woolrich kinda vibe

― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, June 24, 2025 12:50 PM (one hour ago)

YES! sorry that was the first indication that things were awry.

imperial frfr (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 24 June 2025 21:11 (four days ago)

In 1987, a friend and I were sitting in a theater for the preview of an as-yet-unreleased comedy and talking about the state of film comedy at the time.

We lamented how few really funny comedies had come out in recent years--the last one we could come up with was Tootsie.

Then the light went down and we watched Raising Arizona.

Hideous Lump, Tuesday, 24 June 2025 21:47 (four days ago)

Between 1982 and 1987, my favorite comedies (or what could be classified as comedies) would've been:

Local Hero
It's a Good Life (from the Twilight Zone movie)
Stranger Than Paradise
Sherman's March
Lost in America
After Hours
Down by Law

Except for It's a Good Life and maybe Lost in America, I'm not sure if any of these would've been distributed outside of arthouse cinemas (e.g. the local multiplex, shopping malls, etc).

birdistheword, Tuesday, 24 June 2025 21:58 (four days ago)

I guess you're not a John Hughes fan? Those years cover his imperial phase.

o. nate, Friday, 27 June 2025 13:42 (yesterday)

Some key Woody Allen in there too (Broadway Danny Rose, Purple Rose of Cairo, Hannah & Her Sisters).

Lithium Just Madison (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 27 June 2025 13:45 (yesterday)

...and, ya know, Repo Man.

Lithium Just Madison (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 27 June 2025 13:46 (yesterday)

And continuing with Woody (and I understand not wanting to) Zelig is also in that window.

Lithium Just Madison (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 27 June 2025 13:52 (yesterday)

This looks like a good thread!

One of the things I miss most about this era is when especially blockbusters were re-released, so movies like ET, Raiders, at least the first two Star Wars movies, I remember seeing them multiple times in the theater, months apart.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 27 June 2025 13:54 (yesterday)

Stranger Than Paradise was my favorite then too, but Trading Places and Ruthless People were the all-out comedies I loved.

the way out of (Eazy), Friday, 27 June 2025 14:00 (yesterday)

Bill Pullman is a hoot in that one, iirc

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 27 June 2025 14:02 (yesterday)

I think we already discussed this a bit upthread, but E.T. really did take its time making its way to home video. I think I first saw it during one of its several theatrical re-issues, around '86 or '87.

Disney took advantage of this as well: I saw Snow White, The Jungle Book, Lady and the Tramp, and 101 Dalmations in theatres, back when (I think) they were still unavailable on VHS, plus I saw Song of the South during which I'm almost certain was its last official release in '86.

cryptosicko, Friday, 27 June 2025 14:02 (yesterday)

Trading Places and Ruthless People were the all-out comedies I loved.

^^Fantastic examples of two rising '80s trends: the ZAZ team and the SNL extended family.

Lithium Just Madison (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 27 June 2025 14:06 (yesterday)

I'm still amazed my parents took us to see Ruthless People in theatres.

cryptosicko, Friday, 27 June 2025 14:07 (yesterday)

I'm still amazed Mick Jagger, Daryl Hall, and Dave Stewart coughed this out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cohCR3rUh0

hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 June 2025 14:08 (yesterday)

Are animated opening credit sequences another thing that died with the 80s?

cryptosicko, Friday, 27 June 2025 14:11 (yesterday)

The whole Ruthless People soundtrack is prime coke-era CBS Records deal-making: Jagger solo theme; exclusives from Springsteen & Joel etc.

Lithium Just Madison (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 27 June 2025 14:13 (yesterday)

^^Apparently the Joel wasn't an exclusive, but it's single release was tied into the film.

Lithium Just Madison (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 27 June 2025 14:20 (yesterday)

lolz at the quaintness of the wealth lusted after in Ruthless People:

Beverly Hills fashion tycoon Sam Stone despises his wife, Barbara, having married her for her family wealth, and plans to murder her so he can inherit her $15 million fortune and retire with his mistress Carol.

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...Ken and Sandy to take revenge by blackmailing him for his entire personal fortune worth over $2.2 million.

Lithium Just Madison (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 27 June 2025 14:35 (yesterday)

https://i.imgur.com/J2LiAeh.png

hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 June 2025 14:40 (yesterday)

unironically believe Rocky iii to be the best movie that ive seen from these

tootsie is actually bad-bad once he starts playing tootsie tbh

tuah dé danann (darraghmac), Friday, 27 June 2025 22:35 (yesterday)

luckily nobody has ever done a crime for a figure as paltry as 15 mill

i got bao-yu babe (Noodle Vague), Friday, 27 June 2025 22:36 (yesterday)

tootsie is actually bad-bad once he starts playing tootsie tbh

― tuah dé danann (darraghmac),

Alright, you just shut your mouth. When you talk to me, you talk to me professionally. I’m very proud of being a woman. But I’m also proud of this hospital.

hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 June 2025 22:42 (yesterday)

Missed the above but I do like Broadway Danny Rose, one of Allen’s best. The others from then are okay, but not favorites for me.

I was never a big fan of John Hughes but some I think are okay.

birdistheword, Friday, 27 June 2025 23:10 (yesterday)

Actually looking at Hughes’s filmography now, I can’t say I’m a fan at all. After he stopped directing, he went on to write one dismal film after another.

birdistheword, Friday, 27 June 2025 23:15 (yesterday)


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