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so, is there a definitive list of words we aren't meant to include in our posts?

DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 23:30 (twenty-three years ago)

no, its up to common sense.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 23:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Generally the words which you should hacker-speak up or asterisk are the ones which you wouldn't want googlers to find us on. In the current situation the real names of Plinky, her boyfriend, and the extreme-right party her boyfriend belonged to are best left un-searchable. "Naz1" is being scrambled by some people not by others. Some people I've noticed use scramblings for "paed0ph1l3". Some people scramble proper names of journalists. Basically if you wouldn't want to answer to the person you're talking about don't use their proper name.

In other words Ed is OTM.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 28 November 2002 00:04 (twenty-three years ago)

A bit paranoid, imho. When Google finds N@z1 of B*P on this mb, it's gonnae be so far down the list that none of the buggers are going to read it. They'll all be too busy jacking off over pictures of SS officers.

Bobo the Clown, Thursday, 28 November 2002 10:18 (twenty-three years ago)

a little paranoid, but we get the unlikeliest of hits as it is, i think we might be hit 7 for "sexy painted n@z1 cats"

Alan (Alan), Thursday, 28 November 2002 10:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Of course, if anyone reads the Daily Record and really wants to find us, they just have to google on some of Plinky's quotes.

caitlin (caitlin), Thursday, 28 November 2002 11:02 (twenty-three years ago)

the daily record sed 'e-mails' about that because thay R fules.

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 28 November 2002 11:07 (twenty-three years ago)

I agree that this is all a bit paranoid. I don't think the Nazi hordes are out there looking for messageboards to take over. And I am far more concerned that we might be colonised by West1ife fans - how come no one google guards against them?

DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 28 November 2002 11:12 (twenty-three years ago)

DV, do you like Bryan?

Alan (Alan), Thursday, 28 November 2002 11:17 (twenty-three years ago)

Are W*stl*fe fans scarier than N*zis?

Possibly.

alext (alext), Thursday, 28 November 2002 11:18 (twenty-three years ago)

I've had hate mail from Westlife fans. They're cleverer than ¦\¦@215 but not as persistent.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 28 November 2002 11:32 (twenty-three years ago)

I think the Record said e-mails because they didn't reckon the general public would know about message boards. Actually, give them their due...it was quite a subtle and clever bit of anti-n@z1 propaganda....B*P guy talking about family values? OK then, we'll stitch him up - much like they started going after Tories when Major started talking about "Back To Basics". Then they managed a clever link between N@z1s and P@ed0ph1les...plus the general implication that it was to do with the www, and we all know how sleazy that is in tabloid shorthand.

So...I'm not a tabloid reader (Grauniad, me), and don't like their prurient attitude to the sex lives of slebs...but this was politically clever. I reckon Coypu, or whatever the Journo's name was, has gone in there with some carefully thought out messages: "Right - B*P are trying to portray themselves as just another respectable party - but I know they're really violent thugs - so I'll paint one of their members as sleazy...plus I'll give the message (previous day's Record) that if you are involved with them, however slightly, you'll lose your job, your ordinary decent colleagues will hate you....and your mug will be splashed all over the tabloids." And she didn't do it alone, of course. If we can believe Plunk, it seems that some of his colleagues were keen to help stitch him up and I can imagine that some of them must have fed Coypu some leads.

I have to say I approve for once...dirty but necessary. British history has shown that the only arguments that work when N@z1s are in your street are half bricks (Cable St, 1930s; Southall, 1980s). Maybe poor Plink is just collateral damage? Can't say. Don't know her.

But I still think the Google thing is paranoia...although my vegetarian recipe site gets hits for "Big Baps" and "Irish Pussy". (and out of paranoia I've changed these a wee bit so nobody comes looking for me ;-))

Bobo the Clown, Thursday, 28 November 2002 11:45 (twenty-three years ago)

Bobo you have a cookery site which advocates cooking cats?

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 28 November 2002 11:51 (twenty-three years ago)

No. being a vegetarian, I only shoot them for pleasure.

bobo, Thursday, 28 November 2002 12:03 (twenty-three years ago)

Kitten squad to thread!

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 28 November 2002 12:07 (twenty-three years ago)

Kitten Squad -- write down the proposal for that TV series now. post it off to Tiger Aspect at once, i'm sure they'd option it for a few scripts.

Alan (Alan), Thursday, 28 November 2002 12:08 (twenty-three years ago)

gone in there with some carefully thought out messages
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N@Z1 YOB IS SECRET LOVE-RAT

not all of it, I suppose.

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 28 November 2002 12:11 (twenty-three years ago)

Disagree. It's dead clever. Would you read a story about the B*P if it wasn't tarted up to look salacious? Intelligent use of popular media forms for a political purpose, I'd say. Plus, the n@z1s helped them by calling themselves "Families Against Immigrant Racism". I've got 3 kids myself, and we don't hold with any of that B*P crap. As I say...clever. A good way to demoralise the B*P too. They've been gaining ground, I'm afraid...'nother councillor elected the other week. Black and White Unite and Fight!

Bobo The Clown, Thursday, 28 November 2002 12:27 (twenty-three years ago)

And more's to the point...would a tabloid EDITOR have run with it if it was just another B*P story, especially when they'd already covered W_____n's trial? You havev to think a bit about how the media works. If it was run by fools, it wouldn't make so much money.

Bobo Again, Thursday, 28 November 2002 12:31 (twenty-three years ago)

I think you have an interesting point Bobo, and I'm kinda persuaded by it -- but to what extent are you concerned that the actions of the DR as you describe them are those of an unelected and (to some extent) arbitrary authority. Isn't there a danger here that just because we agree with their politics on this one we turn a blind eye? What about when the boot is on the DR's other foot -- as in the debate over clause 28 in Scotland for example?

alext (alext), Thursday, 28 November 2002 12:35 (twenty-three years ago)

But what are you saying, Alex? That we should bring in laws to block newspapers writing articles about things they want to write articles about?

of course, we already have these to some extent, in the form of the libel laws and laws against dissemination of material inciting racial hatred.

DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 28 November 2002 12:52 (twenty-three years ago)

No DV, I was just wondering whether it wasn't a bit premature to hail a rag that's not exactly a liberal's best friend as politically progressive just because you happen to be on the same side for once. Actually, presumably the DR has to lay into the Ratzis to ensure no-one associates their own homespun family-values anti-asylum seeker anti-gay posturing with that of the Nazzers.

alext (alext), Thursday, 28 November 2002 13:06 (twenty-three years ago)

ah, fair enough.

I'm not really familiar with the Daily Record. I did think it was funny to see a tabloid running an article ostensibly against racism, though.

DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 28 November 2002 13:12 (twenty-three years ago)

Well..we've come a long way from Google (Toto, I don't think we're in Kansas any more!).

I'm not endorsing everything the Tabloids say...as anyone who's read Chomsky understands, their main job is to distract the public with footie, Big Bro and other "Necessary Illusions." But this time the story was useful. So, Ta!

The Record and the Mirror still have some vestige of left-wing tradition...they're not The Scum or The Mail...the Record was quite good after an assylum seeker got stabbed in Glasgow, for example. Can't remember what they did over Section 28, but I don't think they actively supported it.

I disagree with DV ove something. The law on inciting racial hatred doesn't equate to censorship. It's equivalent to the existing laws which maen you're not allowed to say "Hey, why don't you help me go over there and beat that guy up." Is that a denial of free speech? Afre all, the B*Ps intention was to provoke rioting - just like they'd already done that sumer in Burnley. Now THAT was misreported. You're trying to protect your family from n@z1 intimidation and they call you a rioter?

Bobo The Clown, Thursday, 28 November 2002 13:39 (twenty-three years ago)

Bobo the Clown = Capy Bara. Be careful

Guess, Thursday, 28 November 2002 15:03 (twenty-three years ago)

And Plunky Plonk or whatever it was = Capy Bara too.

Trust me, I know FOR SURE

I'm offski now, not even gonna lurk. Sorry about all this.

Thanks again for the support.

yes its me, Thursday, 28 November 2002 15:09 (twenty-three years ago)

DR was surely the one paper that supported that bigot S**ter's anti-homosexual crusade and attempt to pervert the political process with a self-funded 'referendum'... If I recall correctly, the DR came over all contrite after that stabbing in case anyone connected it to the rabid 'send them home' rhetoric *before* the violence.

But yes, class and religious politics in the Scottish public sphere are more complex than just liberal / conservative. The only thoughtful piece that ran after Cardinal Winning's death (can't remember which paper this was in) pointed out that he was politically left-ish while socially in the stone ages.

You're trying to protect your family from n@z1 intimidation and they call you a rioter?

Either trolling or agent provocateur...

alext (alext), Thursday, 28 November 2002 15:19 (twenty-three years ago)

"The law on inciting racial hatred doesn't equate to censorship."

Yes it does - just 'cos you censor something bad doesn't make said censorship into anything other than censorship. It may be the lesser of two evils but its still an infrigement of free speech.

tigerclawskank, Thursday, 28 November 2002 15:52 (twenty-three years ago)

a sagacious point. people should get away from seeing censorship as necessarily bad and therefore defining the kind of censorship they approve of as something other than censorship.

this is more the kind of thing I expect from Sw1mmers or ANaLers (do we have to googleguard against them as well?) - you stand accused Bobo, do I win a prize?

meanwhile, wouldn't it be great if a muckraking journo came to ILX in search of easy muck to fill a story, only then they got sucked into our world and started their own threads about 1970s comics and asking what Fremme Neppe Venette meant and stuff?

DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 28 November 2002 16:01 (twenty-three years ago)

even more effective than h4x0ring the words is to not talk about it!!

(sorry if this has been said before)

ron (ron), Thursday, 28 November 2002 17:38 (twenty-three years ago)

Don't forget feminists who claim that censoring porn isn't censorship because porn is a censorship of women's rights.

tigerclawskank, Thursday, 28 November 2002 17:46 (twenty-three years ago)

even more effective than h4x0ring the words is to not talk about it!!

If we can't talk about the far right then the terror1sts have already won!

DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 28 November 2002 18:05 (twenty-three years ago)

"as anyone who's read Chomsky understands" - HAW HAW!

James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 28 November 2002 19:34 (twenty-three years ago)

scuse me - but paranoia strikes the board. Reading the other threads, it seems like Capy Bara is a journalist working for the Record? Then it's definitely not me. Not last time I looked, anyway. Did they really support Mr. Stagecoach on Section 28? Hell...I even got an anti-bigotry letter published in the Herald.

paranoia, paranoia...but i'm really not trying to troll...just expressing an opinion. i'm asuming "yes it's me" is this plinky person from other threads, who i've really no opinion on. but really, bobo is just bobo.

If DV is "accusing" me of being in the ANL - actually, no. I'm proud to say I was once, in the days of RAR. I don't see it as an extremist group, though. Jaysus - it was founded by Peter Hain, and he's senior New Labour!

Is this not a topic we should have opinions on, or something?

Bobo The Clown, Thursday, 28 November 2002 23:20 (twenty-three years ago)

Don't post people's real/full names unless they do. This includes me.

Graham (graham), Friday, 29 November 2002 11:46 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh no, someone might find out Peter Hain founded the ANL. Oh No!!!

(That really will scupper him if David Blunkett finds out - ho ho).

Pete (Pete), Friday, 29 November 2002 11:54 (twenty-three years ago)

If Peter Hain founded the ANL, does that mean he used to be in the SWP?

and where does Disneyland, Bangbus, and the Bilderburg Group fit into all of this?

DV (dirtyvicar), Friday, 29 November 2002 12:16 (twenty-three years ago)

It is all J*n R*ns*n's master plan for Global domination!!!! He is the TRU 12ft LizaRD man.

alext (alext), Friday, 29 November 2002 12:17 (twenty-three years ago)

Bobo you have a cookery site which advocates cooking cats?

http://www.progress.demon.co.uk/Fun/Cat-Dim-Sims.html

OCP (OCP), Friday, 29 November 2002 17:42 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.imgmag.net/images/doome/image001_2.gif

hope this helps.

doom-e, Friday, 29 November 2002 17:48 (twenty-three years ago)

eleven years pass...
nine months pass...

lol @ google

welltris (crüt), Monday, 10 August 2015 21:41 (ten years ago)

giving goofy kid names like alphabet to your massive corporation to make them seem innocuous is a pretty good business decision.

like I feel like half of uber's problems come from its name. if it had been called funcarz nobody would be giving it any shit.

iatee, Monday, 10 August 2015 22:40 (ten years ago)

CarHitler

flopson, Monday, 10 August 2015 22:47 (ten years ago)

never heil a cab again

iatee, Monday, 10 August 2015 22:50 (ten years ago)

alphabet sure sounds more interesting than something like GOOGLE CAYMAN HOLDINGS LLC or something similar they could have gone with

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 11 August 2015 00:31 (ten years ago)

lol

calstars, Tuesday, 11 August 2015 00:44 (ten years ago)

Weird to move toward marginalizing the name of your company that also happens to be a household word, a noun and a verb all in one.

calstars, Tuesday, 11 August 2015 00:45 (ten years ago)

no one's gonna start calling anything alphabet

flopson, Tuesday, 11 August 2015 00:48 (ten years ago)

There isn't anything to call Alphabet though, it's (as I understand it) just an umbrella company? All the core stuff (search / email / maps / AdSense) will stay Google, it's the mad scientist stuff that will become other companies under Alphabet.

On the one hand the connection with Google would have helped a lot for the situations in the future when they're going to say a very big "trust us" - but then that probably works both ways, there isn't going to be a campaign to Switch To Bing the first time an Alphabet company kills someone.

On a more practical side, I assumed AdSense bankrolled pretty much everything?

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 11 August 2015 08:56 (ten years ago)

They should totally have called it Umbrella though.

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 11 August 2015 08:57 (ten years ago)

What is Alphabet? Alphabet is mostly a collection of companies. The largest of which, of course, is Google. This newer Google is a bit slimmed down, with the companies that are pretty far afield of our main internet products contained in Alphabet instead. What do we mean by far afield? Good examples are our health efforts: Life Sciences (that works on the glucose-sensing contact lens), and Calico (focused on longevity). Fundamentally, we believe this allows us more management scale, as we can run things independently that aren’t very related.

remember, there is nothing silicon valley-style projects can't solve, including death

Upright Mammal (mh), Tuesday, 11 August 2015 14:16 (ten years ago)

what do we mean by far afield? many such cases!

j., Tuesday, 11 August 2015 14:18 (ten years ago)

xp They are getting into health care and biotech, but I don't know if zombies is the way go for the real life Umbrella Corporation

Nhex, Tuesday, 11 August 2015 14:52 (ten years ago)

four months pass...

This actually happened, right? I'm preparing a report at work about a Google executive and I want to make sure before I submit it to the president that all this Alphabet shit isn't just manifestations of early-onset dementia on my part.

how's life, Wednesday, 6 January 2016 12:59 (ten years ago)

two years pass...

2013 joke is 2018 reality

Google is now using its AI technology to help with drone warfare https://t.co/g8R3FO1ZRc by @lhfang pic.twitter.com/KRmD8JfpuQ

— Jon Schwarz (@schwarz) March 6, 2018

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 16:36 (eight years ago)

ya this should be posted on the worst tech companies thread, mostly because i strongly believe google is the devil

https://theintercept.com/2018/03/06/google-is-quietly-providing-ai-technology-for-drone-strike-targeting-project/

good job morb

F# A# (∞), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 17:24 (eight years ago)

four years pass...

Google NYC employees who arrived at the office early this morning stood in a line to test their badges-- if light turned red, it meant you had been laid off. if green, you were safe. 👎

— Daniel Roberts (@readDanwrite) January 20, 2023

xyzzzz__, Friday, 20 January 2023 15:52 (three years ago)

good post for the is the US a dystopia thread too

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 20 January 2023 16:53 (three years ago)

eleven months pass...

so fucking broken

https://i.postimg.cc/W1PYBHCz/Screen-Shot-2024-01-18-at-3-48-20-PM.png

if a man can't get reliable information on Joe Satriani what was the point of the Internet?

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 18 January 2024 21:51 (two years ago)

haha, there was probably plenty of Satriani content online in '97, when the internet was mostly amateur guitarists from what I can remember

Jordan s/t (Jordan), Thursday, 18 January 2024 21:53 (two years ago)

i'm joking but still i feel like i come across tons of these types of totally fucked results now way more than ever

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 18 January 2024 21:58 (two years ago)

I was a Trader Joe's last night, I heard one of the stock clerks talking to another about fitting a tele neck to a strat body

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 18 January 2024 21:59 (two years ago)

Satriani did play with Deep Purple for a few months, after they kicked out Blackmore, but good luck explaining to AI why that isn't the reason someone would be searching his name.

Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 18 January 2024 22:02 (two years ago)

google is just living in that alternate dimension where Satriani signed on as a permanent member

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 18 January 2024 22:19 (two years ago)

https://www.404media.co/google-news-is-boosting-garbage-ai-generated-articles/

badpee pooper (Eric H.), Thursday, 18 January 2024 22:35 (two years ago)

i hope i die mansplaining blackmore's night to chatgtp

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 18 January 2024 22:41 (two years ago)

https://www.404media.co/google-news-is-boosting-garbage-ai-generated-articles🕸/


“War of stars fans” is as good as a human could make up

B. Amato (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 19 January 2024 04:54 (two years ago)

two weeks pass...

To add to the broken-ness, this used to be a quick conversion via search and now it's uh... off by a couple orders of magnitude:

https://i.imgur.com/AXzT9Zf.png

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 8 February 2024 18:23 (two years ago)

nine months pass...

what's the verdict on the new 'AI Overview' that nobody asked for, and is impossible to disable?

Apparently it said you can add glue to pizza to stop the cheese from slipping off

Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 13 November 2024 19:40 (one year ago)

my personal verdict is that it's yet another great reason to avoid using Google for any searches, if I can get adequate results from DuckDuckGo. afaics, Google just massively increased its carbon footprint by adding this AI slop to (nearly) every search and for what? it's mostly useless junk. but they've spent too much $$$$$ chasing AI to back off this move unless people start boycotting them for it.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 14 November 2024 02:32 (one year ago)

Using the "web" option on Google gives search results without most of the crap.

Kim Kimberly, Thursday, 14 November 2024 06:44 (one year ago)

More on that here: Does One Line Fix Google?

Kim Kimberly, Thursday, 14 November 2024 06:49 (one year ago)

I find the AI overview scary rather than just wasteful and annoying because it shows up at the top and a lot of people only really look at the top result for their searches, I'm sure many don't even realise it's AI.

Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 14 November 2024 09:51 (one year ago)

I agree - hardly anyone is going to check it.
My 9yo has had early inoculation against it though - it summarised some information about a Mario game that he KNEW was wrong because it missed something out. that will stay with him for life lol

I've been burnt by Google summarising info years ago - I went to a department store it told me was open because it had incorrectly scraped some opening hours data. I will never trust again!

kinder, Thursday, 14 November 2024 10:47 (one year ago)


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