"innovation and creativity are born of captivity, not freedom"

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i read this last night, but i think both can lead to either.
yes? no? what do you think?

― donna (donna), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 23:36 (twenty-three years ago)

or either to both.

― donna (donna), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 23:47 (twenty-three years ago)

ten months pass...

Well, this is a great question, I am surprised no-one's approached it. Bump!

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Sunday, 28 September 2003 10:42 (twenty-two years ago)

ts: renoir vs. eisenstein

― amateurist (amateurist), Sunday, 28 September 2003 16:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Like donna, I imagine both can inhibit creativity, though in different ways.

― N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 28 September 2003 16:48 (twenty-two years ago)

i'd suggest captivity can inspire a more desperate, direct burst of innovation/creativity - a shot of tequila to freedom's pina colada

i think i need a drink

― stevem (blueski), Sunday, 28 September 2003 17:18 (twenty-two years ago)

fools! they are born of MEN.
http://members.aol.com/bob2559/cartoons/cerebus.jpg
(sorry, I'm bored)

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 28 September 2003 17:21 (twenty-two years ago)

but seryusly, the original phrase makes it too either/or. One is creative and innovative because of some form of captivity (mental, social, legal, etc.) but you can't be creative or innovative without finding the freedom (mental, social, legal, etc.) to act your ideas out. so yeah!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 28 September 2003 17:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I hate exclusionary statements like this. I think that innovation and creativity are born of a mind that is free to follow some new paths of thought, regardless of whether the thinker/innovator/creator is in a situation of complete repression or complete unstructuredness or some variant therein.

― I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Monday, 29 September 2003 03:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm in accord with anthony and mslaura. Innovation and creativity are most certainly not the product of environments; if they were there wouldn't be much creativity about it.

― mouse, Monday, 29 September 2003 03:28 (twenty-two years ago)

To exist is to create. Which make the word somewhat redundant. I argued this to a bunch of very learned academic philosophers of mind once and they thought I was crazy. Hahahaha!!! I think they're the crazy ones. All conditions, restrictive or otherwise, create consequences, in art and life

I do think that people find some kinds of creativity more personally helpful than others. For example, it can be personally helful to expose one's self to art made by people who suffered and overcame their suffering. It is inspiring to be unfused with the sense that such things are possible. Another good example is the way dance music can renew one's confidence in one's body and physical bearing.

This is the use of creative products to supply a lack.

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Monday, 29 September 2003 03:53 (twenty-two years ago)

I can buy into the idea that to exist is to create. But how much of creation is unconscious? And how much results from the interaction with or action of others?

I agree that some people respond to creativity and art in a manner which shows that the art is helpful to them. But for others they cannot see the positive aspects of the art and it can further distance them from people.

(I actually had a brilliant post all written for here and then I realized that I was on the wrong darn thread.)

― I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Monday, 29 September 2003 05:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Never stopped me from hitting the 'submit' button!

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Monday, 29 September 2003 05:21 (twenty-two years ago)

*laughing* It stopped me because I cut it and was going to paste it elsewhere, but then I cut something else and, well, it's forver gone, except for the lingering brilliance that shines from the murky recesses of my memory.

― I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Monday, 29 September 2003 06:07 (twenty-two years ago)

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