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"I think in its scrappy wayward dilettante way this board in 11 months has contributed FAR more to CultStud than several of the bigwigs on your booklist for your postmodernism essay ever have or ever will. Seriously. Better ideas anyway. Not followed through: this is the internet and instant hedonism rules."

dwh (dwh), Thursday, 28 November 2002 22:29 (twenty-three years ago)

Who said this?

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 28 November 2002 22:32 (twenty-three years ago)

daily record website reviewer.

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 28 November 2002 22:34 (twenty-three years ago)

M4rk S1nK3r. I didn't know he knew about the boards.

dwh (dwh), Thursday, 28 November 2002 22:53 (twenty-three years ago)

Good antigoogling measures. Think of the horror if someone like him found ILE!

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 28 November 2002 22:57 (twenty-three years ago)

haha nick southall to thread

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 28 November 2002 23:03 (twenty-three years ago)

So, yeh, huh?

dwh (dwh), Friday, 29 November 2002 10:46 (twenty-three years ago)

Maybe you could... expand on the question a little so we know what you're actually asking?

Archel (Archel), Friday, 29 November 2002 10:55 (twenty-three years ago)

Ummm, dwh looks like another journalist? Somebody shoot me now to stop my head exploding spontaneously at the randomness of all this.

Liz :x (Liz :x), Friday, 29 November 2002 10:59 (twenty-three years ago)

he is asking me to defend my argt i think

(haha i had a dream in which i very angrily announced to the entire world that i was FED UP of explaining my writing to ppl!! as if i EVAH....??!!??)

mark s (mark s), Friday, 29 November 2002 10:59 (twenty-three years ago)

The Strokes - Classic or Duds?

(I was hoping he'd said it on I Love Conkers)

Graham (graham), Friday, 29 November 2002 11:05 (twenty-three years ago)

haha, yes, yr right, I'm another journalist. Yeh, I guess I was asking you to defend mark, but I know how fruitless that can be sometimes (96 Theses, oh where are thee now?, lost in a layby in Streatham!) - it wasn't a serious goad into action, I was just wondering if, in fairly small precis (but not like THAT!) could you 'bathe us in the sun's light'?

Alternatively, Tom E could do his thing and try and back you up.

(Liz - I'm a 'regular' under a new name, don't worry, although I'm quite miffed that I haven't got on ANY of the USERS pages. God.)

dwh (dwh), Friday, 29 November 2002 11:24 (twenty-three years ago)

Archel - I thought it was pretty clear, sorry. Just a pretty bold claim to make, we're not even on the CultTheory Trading Cards Game, mark!!!!

dwh (dwh), Friday, 29 November 2002 11:26 (twenty-three years ago)

That is the TRUE measure. (Innovative seven-short-posts posting style, adapted from nabitsuh's dig-me-out-this-hole technique). My style = an attempt upon the summit.

dwh (dwh), Friday, 29 November 2002 11:27 (twenty-three years ago)

OK, who on earth are you and HOW bored are you today?

Sarah (starry), Friday, 29 November 2002 11:31 (twenty-three years ago)

I think my interpretations of Mark's posts tend to be misunderestimations dwh, you'll get nothing from me. I'm not sure he's right though. I'm also not clear on the "following through" thing - this is what Frank Kogan is always saying (not about the boards, just about everything) but examples are rarely given of exactly where or how following through is needed. I think the ideas on here *do* develop, they just do so in hundreds of different thread and head places and so following them linearly as a reader is nearly impossible.

Sarah he's a regular who has big real-name issues - he writes Shazam! and did the lift to experience piece on FT.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 29 November 2002 11:37 (twenty-three years ago)

he is the poster formerly known as powertonevolume

mark s (mark s), Friday, 29 November 2002 11:38 (twenty-three years ago)

It's H*wie I presume, Sarah.

I have to say I'm not entirely convinced by mark's argument, if only because I know we both think 'postmodernism' is a non-starter as a basis for any kind of interesting analysis => therefore most anyone's work on a booklist of 'postmodernism' is likely to be a pile of arse.

He is right that the discussion on the boards does get (eventually, and it has to happen over and over again, on each thread individually -- but that may be a condition of this kind of progress, not a failing) beyond a lot of the dim-witted recycling of old motifs that come up in the work of chancers like Debord and Baudrillard. But that's because we think Adorno kicks non-Hegelian Marxist arse.

alext (alext), Friday, 29 November 2002 11:39 (twenty-three years ago)

Oops sorry dwh if you're having real-name issues can someone cut out that first line from my post!!!

alext (alext), Friday, 29 November 2002 11:40 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm not sure 'not followed through' is *entirely* a criticism from mark -- whereas it clearly is coming from Frank. It may be that the nature of what's good about the boards resists being actualised in some way, and that the wish to 'get beyond' certain problems betrays itself as a teleological (and crudely dialectical -- think Momus incomprehension of Hegel) metaphysical nostalgia for an avant-garde progressivism.

alext (alext), Friday, 29 November 2002 11:44 (twenty-three years ago)

actually, i WAS stuck in a layby in streatham. happens all the time.

96 Theses, Friday, 29 November 2002 11:47 (twenty-three years ago)

Adorno Kicks Non-Hegelian Marxist Arse!

We can expect this as a headline in The D**ly R**ord tomorrow

Snowy Mann (rdmanston), Friday, 29 November 2002 11:48 (twenty-three years ago)

ilxor is a style-lab, alext: its condition of possiblity is precisely that we don't all go and find-install-create-invoke-reveal ilxorness everywhere that ilxor currently isn't => hence (as so often) its difference battens on the persistence of that from which it differs

heh: dwh, i wz mainly stomping on NS for being prick-like in that thread => i like ilxor's not-quite-schoolroom-not-quite-hallway status, and i think there is a potential uberforest of hydra's teeth ideas waiting to be sown hereabouts

but as to the actual sowing....

mark s (mark s), Friday, 29 November 2002 11:53 (twenty-three years ago)

its condition of possiblity is precisely that we don't all go and find-install-create-invoke-reveal ilxorness everywhere that ilxor currently isn't => hence (as so often) its difference battens on the persistence of that from which it differs

I agree, but the style-lab concept (I didn't read that thread) implies to me that ILX is somehow ahead of or unlike the rest of the world, rather than being like the world, but just a bit MORE like the world: a point of intensity, not an avant-garde.

alext (alext), Friday, 29 November 2002 12:00 (twenty-three years ago)

well yes alex point taken: my idea of what constitutes a style lab doesn't quite coincide w.momus's actually (!!shockah!!)

mark s (mark s), Friday, 29 November 2002 12:03 (twenty-three years ago)

I think that should be the new ILX strapline:

"ILX: LIKE THE WORLD, BUT MORE SO"

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Friday, 29 November 2002 12:04 (twenty-three years ago)

nice contemptful 'h*wie' there, alex ;)

yeh, i am he. Sarah: how bored? Ever heard of a guy called Habermas?

dwh (dwh), Friday, 29 November 2002 12:05 (twenty-three years ago)

haha, I don't have "big real-name issues", it just that I realised my dad has the same name and that I don't want anything I say to be misattributed to him.

dwh (dwh), Friday, 29 November 2002 12:07 (twenty-three years ago)

and Tom, it's Sha!zam. Shazam! is dead.

dwh (dwh), Friday, 29 November 2002 12:08 (twenty-three years ago)

Well bah, I thought I understood it and now you're talking about people and I don't know who they are!! (this inc Habermas, is he a little furry mouse)?

I still do not think that I understand post-modernism, although I still giggle at the dream where Tom was telling me that I would get lot more out of life if I properly critically engaged with the concept. This was on top of the number 35 bus going to Camberwell. But still he did not tell me WHAT IT IS. Is it Adorno? Is he the bloke who put maths to music and made a RIGHT BLOODY RACKET?

Eheu!

Sarah (starry), Friday, 29 November 2002 12:12 (twenty-three years ago)

Fair do's D*v*d ;-) I *do* have real name issues concerned with my students googling all my horrific drunken stories!!! But then I usually tell them to try and impress them in class anyway, so it doesn't really matter in the long-run I feel. (But I have not changed my email address since moving unis to make connection less easy).

I used to hate Habermas, but it largely stems from the apparent ubiquity of his work on the radical democratic left, which is wrong, but not terribly so...

alext (alext), Friday, 29 November 2002 12:14 (twenty-three years ago)

Is he the bloke who put maths to music and made a RIGHT BLOODY RACKET?

This is SinkAH shorely?

I used to hate Habermas

Ha Ha future googlers I mean his work of course. I have never met him and presume he is thoroughly decent chap. Obv. As someone who queued up to shake hands with Jackie D and get my copy of _Politiques de L'Amitie_ signed, I can no longer laugh at the story my mate tells of watching people queue up to have their photo taken with Jurgen H.

alext (alext), Friday, 29 November 2002 12:17 (twenty-three years ago)

I almost rabbited on about 12 ft Lizards in my Foucault seminar last week re:the masking properties of law's legitimacy. Cf. Law's claim to expertise WITH body-language 'experts' claim to expertise. Isn't the point of BL that we can all read it anyway? Else, how would it have it's impact? BL Experts come on a 'reveal' this language to us, which we all unknowingly speak anyway, and through this process of 'revelation' and the naming of them as 'experts' = legitimacy. TV helps us unmask 12 ft Lizards, ie by showing us the BL (letting us construe it ourselves) and then having a nonce come on and 'reveal' this to us. But I feared that if I had started saying things like, "my friend has this theory... it goes like this... right, first there was D4v1d 1ck3 and then there was Big Brother..." and then hopelessly tying it back into Foucault. So I just chuckled.

Of course this is all just sinkah-by-numbers.

dwh (dwh), Friday, 29 November 2002 12:34 (twenty-three years ago)

Incorrect sinkah-by-numbers, I'm sure.

dwh (dwh), Friday, 29 November 2002 12:35 (twenty-three years ago)

cryptomnesia, honest, mr, honest.

dwh (dwh), Friday, 29 November 2002 12:42 (twenty-three years ago)

I Love Conkers doesn't get enough love.

jel -- (jel), Friday, 29 November 2002 18:22 (twenty-three years ago)

mark s: paid da cost to be da boss

boxcubed (boxcubed), Saturday, 30 November 2002 09:50 (twenty-three years ago)


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