― annoyed, Friday, 29 November 2002 01:34 (twenty-three years ago)
the holiday season has never meant as much to me because a)i'm not part of a big close-knit family, b) not very well-off so spending on each other was never that gratuitous yet thats whats rammed down our throats so often, and c) only one Christmas so far in my life have I actually been in a career-type job that means something so that i can enjoy the break contentedly in that respect. so yeh i've lost that childlike fascination and love of the whole Christmas thing (it never snows here anyway, and whereas i once used to delight in the day's TV schedule now i shudder at the listings), but i'm not too sad about that - it doesnt mean i cant just enjoy seeing friends and family and soaking up the whole 'end of year' thing. i'll be buying some gifts for only a handful of people who are important to me (tho i have no idea what yet cos i'm crap at that) - the massive commercial drive at this time of year does just make me more cynical and reluctant to partake in the madness though...
― humbuggery (blueski), Friday, 29 November 2002 01:46 (twenty-three years ago)
2. Give the money to the poor
― James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 29 November 2002 02:44 (twenty-three years ago)
― keith (keithmcl), Friday, 29 November 2002 02:52 (twenty-three years ago)
― J0hn Darn13ll3 (J0hn Darn13ll3), Friday, 29 November 2002 05:10 (twenty-three years ago)
I'm currently happy about buying presents because I have more disposable income than the people I'll be buying for - it's a way of getting people you care for something they'd like but wouldn't feel able to get themselves without a measure of guilt. I'm also giving to charity, and it's a measure of my residual discomfort with the Christmas consumption thing that I feel the need to mention that I suppose.
I think the social pressure to buy is there but hardly irresistible. One of the things about present-giving is that it's still a private, not a public ritual - if you and your family give each other home-made cards or nothing at all nobody else will know about it. So the pressure is of a quite different kind from the materialist pressure to have the right clothes/a good car/latest phone etc.
― Tom (Groke), Friday, 29 November 2002 10:15 (twenty-three years ago)
― B, Friday, 29 November 2002 10:21 (twenty-three years ago)
― Ed (dali), Friday, 29 November 2002 10:41 (twenty-three years ago)
― Archel (Archel), Friday, 29 November 2002 11:21 (twenty-three years ago)
― alext (alext), Friday, 29 November 2002 11:48 (twenty-three years ago)
― anon (anon), Friday, 29 November 2002 14:38 (twenty-three years ago)
― alix (alix), Friday, 29 November 2002 17:38 (twenty-three years ago)
― James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 29 November 2002 21:51 (twenty-three years ago)
Britain gets reposessed... but by WHOM is the big, scary question?
Expensive luxury item = BORROWED from housemate. So there.
― kate, Friday, 29 November 2002 21:59 (twenty-three years ago)
Britain gets reposessed... but by WHAM is the big, scary question?
― jel -- (jel), Friday, 29 November 2002 22:04 (twenty-three years ago)
― kate, Friday, 29 November 2002 22:06 (twenty-three years ago)
To me this seems like a pretty religious response, analogous too "only people who have themselves lived perfect lives are fit to speak about ethics" -- which is obviously untrue: who better to speak of the benefits of walking the straight and narrow path than he who has tried & failed? Using a computer to "complain about" (loaded, that) the pull of consumerism strikes me as perhaps more complex than you'd like to allow. Buying a computer = admitting one's status as art of a certain class, certainly not negating everything one might have to say about same.
To use a musical example: Jarvis Cocker's observations regarding class in "Common People" are grebt, even though he is at that point pretty clearly removed from the people through whose voices he's speaking
― J0hn Darn13ll3 (J0hn Darn13ll3), Friday, 29 November 2002 23:23 (twenty-three years ago)
― J0hn Darn13ll3 (J0hn Darn13ll3), Friday, 29 November 2002 23:28 (twenty-three years ago)
I don't think it's "at that point". It's "after that point". Big difference. More thrills.
― Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Friday, 29 November 2002 23:34 (twenty-three years ago)
― M Matos (M Matos), Saturday, 30 November 2002 00:43 (twenty-three years ago)
If not, what do you need?
I have seen boys & girls in cages, 3ft by 3ft by 3ft, positively prosper. We move them to bigger cages and they become snobs.
― Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Saturday, 30 November 2002 01:09 (twenty-three years ago)
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 30 November 2002 01:14 (twenty-three years ago)
― donna (donna), Saturday, 30 November 2002 03:07 (twenty-three years ago)
― daria g, Saturday, 30 November 2002 03:41 (twenty-three years ago)
I'd still comsider a computer a luxury, although I'd be quite useless without it. Christmas is also pretty useless to me, but it gets me family goin', so all the better.
― B, Saturday, 30 November 2002 04:14 (twenty-three years ago)
Solution:
1. Sell your old piss-soaked underwear.
2. Give your money to the rich.
3. Await trickle-down effect.
― Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Saturday, 30 November 2002 04:32 (twenty-three years ago)
― B, Saturday, 30 November 2002 04:40 (twenty-three years ago)
― J0hn Darn13ll3 (J0hn Darn13ll3), Saturday, 30 November 2002 14:11 (twenty-three years ago)