The House that Jack Kerouac Built

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What is the best Kerouac book? It wasn't really just typing now was it? The Beat Generation - Classic or Classic?

gazza, Friday, 29 November 2002 08:07 (twenty-three years ago)

I never much liked Kerouac. As always it was my (cough cough) feminist stance: The women are portrayed in a cliche way (@ home only there to *entertain* the men), as though they are somewhat evil (in the way of the open road).

nathalie (nathalie), Friday, 29 November 2002 08:47 (twenty-three years ago)

Kerouac disappeared up his own cliche. He was nasty reactionary bigot. With one plot idea (except for 'the town and the city' which should rate as a minor american novel)

Ed (dali), Friday, 29 November 2002 10:33 (twenty-three years ago)

kerouac was sperm guggling loustabout with magical talent for pissant prosery.

best book - visions of cody
best scripture for living - some of the dharma.

Queen G (Queeng), Friday, 29 November 2002 14:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Sigh and really I liked On The Road. Great reading for the train. Specially for its wonderful ramlbings on jazz and the chapters about his Mexican girlfriend.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 29 November 2002 18:24 (twenty-three years ago)

Dharma Bums, I just like all that stuff about running down mountains and being a forest lookout during in the summer.

Keep starting Dr.Sax.

jel -- (jel), Friday, 29 November 2002 18:52 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't think he had as many as one plot idea. I think the way to enjoy JK is to sort of immerse yourself in loads of his work and just enjoy the flow without thinking about it. I don't think he has anything interesting to tell us, but I love listening to him anyway.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 29 November 2002 18:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Does Kerouac = Backstreet Boys? He has his cult of popism, his single overused plot and his writing contains an energy but appears weak and ill formed next to more classical works?

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 29 November 2002 18:58 (twenty-three years ago)

Dr. Sax has some nice lyrical moments, though overall is a bit silly. I've never read On the Road, oddly.

Rockist Scientist, Friday, 29 November 2002 19:38 (twenty-three years ago)

I loathe Kerouac, but I have to admit that "Maggie Cassidy" rocked my world.

Tag, Friday, 29 November 2002 19:45 (twenty-three years ago)

I read On The Road over a period of about two years. I liked it a lot, but it's not meant to be read the way other novels are; either read it in one long quick burst (the way he wrote it) or pick it up whenever you feel the urge. His finest moment by far is BIG SUR, a chilling alcoholic confessional where for once his stream-of-consciousness style really works. Everyone tells me The Subterraneans is great, but I've never been able to get past page 10 or so.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 29 November 2002 20:29 (twenty-three years ago)

on the road is a gay love story

visions of cody is a catholic ecstacy

big sur is a grand oceanic poem

those are the three.

anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 29 November 2002 21:56 (twenty-three years ago)

Kerouac wasn't always - or only - "a nasty reactionary bigot". Some of the writing, esp. when read aloud by Kerouac (w/ Zoot Sims rather than Steve Allen, if we must have music) still sounds good to me as music/poetry/whatever. I don't think the influence of the Beats on writing/music has been entirely a bad one - but then I like Sonic Youth and Thomas Pynchon and Lester Bangs and R. Meltzer, who all owe something or other to beat styles/ideas/'plots' and whatnot.

I think Martin S puts it v. nicely, and I agree w/ jel abt Dharma Bums, which is a sort've a great boy's own adventure yarn for hippy dippy mystics and other teenagers of the mind.

"First thoughts best thoughts"

Andrew L (Andrew L), Friday, 29 November 2002 22:50 (twenty-three years ago)

I never much liked Kerouac. As always it was my (cough cough) feminist stance

For what it's worth, he *does* at least feel guilty about his own machismo and acknowedleges male/female relationships are fucked in On The Road...

(To answer da question: On The Road and Big Sur are both excelent, the first because of its sheer enthusiasm for highway hijinks- especially fun if you live on an island I might add- and for showing some love to Wynonie Harris, the second for being a creepy book about insanity. I certainly prefer Kerouac over Buroughs and Ginsberg)


Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 29 November 2002 22:53 (twenty-three years ago)

five years pass...

I don't think he had as many as one plot idea. I think the way to enjoy JK is to sort of immerse yourself in loads of his work and just enjoy the flow without thinking about it. I don't think he has anything interesting to tell us, but I love listening to him anyway.

ahh Kerouac is beautiful mayn. I just read through Desolation Angels, his best work I've read to date (before that Dharma Bums). This book shows his reasoning behind everything and he definitely doesn't come off as pompouas at all. In fact, he says Buddha is #2 to Jesus in this book. Also, he sorta condemns his early self in all the previous books. As for a plot, it's there, it's definitely there. But what do you expect from an autobiographys from a guy who doesn't believe in editing! And even though he likes the purity of stream of conscious like writing, his words come out flawless anyways. You have to be a genius to write like that (perfect descriptions everytime) and somehow incorporate a theme - in Desolation Angels its about the futility of human life, the here and now, and how there is no haven for the living lamb but plenty haven for the dead lamb. In this book we see Jack slowly seperated from the world and his decisions for doing so. We also see how sad he really is. (Jack isn't a jerk by the way. Just as often he talks down about women he talks up about them. His ode to his mother or certain girls he sees on the street and somehow reads their eyes and sou is quite beautiful. If you think all that face reading is pretentious, then maybe you should understand that another theme of the book is beyond what Jack was trying to say. That theme being his sadness and bleakness which may have tampered with is perceptions and thoughts. The whole time I read the book I was hoping he would find faith or re-establish his faith to see hope in the world or maybe just learn to be happy again.

CaptainLorax, Thursday, 29 November 2007 20:42 (eighteen years ago)

best book I ever read.

CaptainLorax, Thursday, 29 November 2007 20:42 (eighteen years ago)

I read On The Road over a period of about two years. I liked it a lot, but it's not meant to be read the way other novels are; either read it in one long quick burst (the way he wrote it) or pick it up whenever you feel the urge. <-----OTM

CaptainLorax, Thursday, 29 November 2007 20:53 (eighteen years ago)

Does Kerouac = Backstreet Boys? He has his cult of popism, his single overused plot and his writing contains an energy but appears weak and ill formed next to more classical works? <--------OFF the mark

overused plot? its autobiographical! His themes are how he treats and accepts life and his view on life. If you don't like philosophical stuff then his books are probably not for you. I enjoy his self-discovery because that and interpreting life is jsut as important in my life. And I love his seize the day attitude. And his treatment towards others is with a buddha-like kindness. Also all his quotes and references are bombtastic.

CaptainLorax, Thursday, 29 November 2007 20:59 (eighteen years ago)

thirteen years pass...

Want to re read desolation angels

calstars, Saturday, 12 June 2021 20:54 (four years ago)

nine months pass...

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calstars, Saturday, 12 March 2022 20:07 (four years ago)

Kerouac contributed to me quitting reading books (well I suppose I never read much to begin with). What I liked about him was that I could read his stuff slowly and get caught up in the elaborate descriptions to the point where I just started daydreaming. Now I only read comics and graphic novels.

N/A (FlopsyDuck), Saturday, 12 March 2022 22:18 (four years ago)


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