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First off - when I read Suzy's ice rink escapes (You do sort of look like Dorothy Hamill, Suzy) - I was laughing because sophie and i went ice skating and whilst i clutched to the sides, Sophie immediately started skating backwards, figure eighting, zooming past me etc). WHY ARE GIRLS SO DAMN GOOD AT ICE SKATING?

Second Question is a long one and will involve a cup of tea.


Right - I've got my cup of tea - as many of you know - I am going for a fab month long vacation to NYC and Canada. For Christmas I am going to see my sister whom I've not seen since moving to England a year or so ago.

Last night after having a fun time at the spoon show (more details to come, Rebecca, good fun, played FAR too long, like a drunk telling bad jokes at yer table, but mostly it was Ground Control to Major Tom Bowie styles pop)....HOWEVER....when i got home there were message from my creepy step father's sister and brother urging me not to go to my sister's house for christmas and basically saying what a bastard i was for this.

Mildly confused but knowing that it's got something to do with the fat bitch and immediately sensing a short story out of this whole mess I decide to investigate further (note to reader: fat bitch step father is genesis of some good published short stories and one short story that was ghost written for a famous hollywood actor! pps: fat bitch step father told me that I would never be a writer and hates me being in england a) being in magazines and b) getting short stories published).

So I phone up my sister and got my brother-in-law instead. After some mild chat chit, my brother-in-law goes - what did you say to negative creep?

What do you mean?

The argument - he phoned me up at work and said that he can't come over to the house for Christmas because I will be there and he is upset that my sister is 'taking sides' (a) my brother-in-law knows the drama/damage that he can do and does not take it very seriously (b) my step father has not told my sister what he has been doing. i.e. phoning everyone up and saying that a) my sister is traitorous for having me at her house for christmas (my mother and original father are dead and I am left with creepy step father who is in chronic care hospital and whom, if my sister and I are being honest with each other, just wish him to be dead so everyone can be relieved (i.e. beat us up, threatened suicide in front of us, yer basic white trash harmony korrine father template) and b) my sister is a women and these decisions such as having me at her house for christmas should not be left up to an empty headed women so my step father is compelled to try to influence 'the head of the household' (which is stupuidity because my sister is the combined ilx archetype of suzy and kate and ally i.e. extremely strong woman who for a living works for a suicide hotline).

So the question being is this: he will eventually show up at the house for Christmas - i.e. how does one react in this situation and should I tell my sister about his blatant and very bad manipulations?

Phew!

It would be tradegy if it was not high black comedy.

doom-e, Saturday, 30 November 2002 10:58 (twenty-three years ago)

the argument which the fat bitch refers to is this one.

for my going away to england party my sister takes her friends, fat bitch, her children to fabulous chinese restaurant. everyone is having a good time, asking me questions and what not. in the middle of said good time fat bitch goes:

Errreere....doom-e I remember when you first started to smoke when you were fourteen and you set fire to that garbage pale outside of your school.

doom-e: no.....that was not me.

fat bitch: yes, yes it was....you set fire to the garbage pale and i had to be called in.

(goes on for about five minutes)

doom-e: actually no. you are lying or delusional and either way it really does not matter as you hardly paid attention to me when i was fourteen.

fat bitch: fuck you FUCK YOU......(etc. etc. etc.) never want to see you again when you go to england i hope you fuck off for good....

Maybe as it's December 1st soon - he is making plans early????

doom-e, Saturday, 30 November 2002 11:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Angry, angry young man.

Lynskey (Lynskey), Saturday, 30 November 2002 11:14 (twenty-three years ago)

not really - just bored of it all, young man. and want to know how i deal with this situation. or maybe just want to have someone pointed out on how insane this situation is.

doom-e, Saturday, 30 November 2002 11:18 (twenty-three years ago)

doom-e, as u know i get on very well w.my family (mum dad and sister), yet one of the not-negligeable little obstacles has been learning that my mum — who in several regards is a tireless saint — is also quite manipulative, and ALWAYS recounts what one sibling said to the other in a "adjusted" manner. Even though we both know this and have often discussed it, it is hard not to get annoyed sometimes and one of us ring the other and say "I can't believe you said that I was [whatever] to mum", and then the other one says "I *didn't* say that, that's just how mum is passing it on, you know she does that, just ignore it" etc. Both of us have been caught out and had our feeling hurt this way in the past.

Anyway the escape route from being fucked up by this is complete trust between the siblings. We do do things difft ways, have difft bad habits and difft saving graces and lifestyles, and this works well for us (all of us). Including actually being more forgiving of mum for doing it in the first place, seeing as it can't cause any sigificiant harm any more.

doom-e you shd recognise that the way this guy behaves is rooted in (possibly unconsconcious) envy of yr freedom and yr better relationship with yr sister and stuff. So it's kind of a (badly expressed) compliment.

Anyway you should def talk to yr sister abt this, when you and she are alone together. And make the point of the talk that you don't want this guy to drive you and yr sister apart (not eg how evil you think he is, and how she shd think so too).

mark s (mark s), Saturday, 30 November 2002 11:28 (twenty-three years ago)

Anyway you should def talk to yr sister abt this, when you and she are alone together. And make the point of the talk that you don't want this guy to drive you and yr sister apart (not eg how evil you think he is, and how she shd think so too).

But Mark S this is one insane scheme after another - arent we serving cross purposes by constantly talking about the fat bitch? We are in some respects - anaylsing and over anaylsing how/what/why of the damage of his mind and the damage perp. to maybe my mind or sister's mind.

my sister and i always come out stronger as she also realises (though nobody in the family does) what an inept shithead he is.

but i'm tired of getting shocked and wish death upon the man (and yes, tired of wishing death upon the man) i.e. giving s**hie a 'my sympathy' card for our marriage or painful conversations with my prof. at uni about how much of a tough cowboy he compared to me, the faggot or yelling at me for not going to church more often in front of my dead mother's body.

maybe the miles and the time spent away have weakened my immune system and when i do have contact, i am repulsed.

doom-e you shd recognise that the way this guy behaves is rooted in (possibly unconsconcious) envy of yr freedom and yr better relationship with yr sister and stuff. So it's kind of a (badly expressed) compliment.

you are right and it's funny the more concentrated upon normality he is, the more he gets it very wrong. and the more damage he tries/tried to inflect upon my psyche = the more freedom i seek.

fuck. is life always a catch 22?

doom-e, Saturday, 30 November 2002 11:51 (twenty-three years ago)

Doomie, for saying I look like DH I hereby sentence you to three hours locked in a room with nothing but the Cheeky Girls record on constant replay. Yucch. And women who are not my little sister (who for her expensive hobby I thought put the 'cow' in triple Salchow at the time) are not necessarily any better at skating than guys, due to men having to perform triple axels in Olympic competition while women have only to do double axels. Also I grew up deep in ICE HOCKEY COUNTRY, the boys are great, especially when twelve, in manlove with the Lake Placid US hockey team, and able to do that pre-ejaculatory ice-spray thing. Or maybe I'm just cross because my ankles are killing me because the hire skates were hockey sprayers, not nice figure jobbies with the handy ice picks.

As to your family, the steps have got it wrong and Mark has got it right. I've got a chubby stepmunter who can't open her mouth without A) inserting food or B) expelling bullshit so I know where you're at.

suzy (suzy), Saturday, 30 November 2002 12:05 (twenty-three years ago)

the thing is my sister is def. not a monsta' to him. when my mother died he lived with my sister for three years basically on the tenements of: 1. you hit my kids you are leaving this house. no questions asked. 2. you play any mind games or manipulate my kids you are leaving this house. no questions asked. 3. you cause any disturbance for my children or in anyway affect their childhood you are leaving this house. no questions asked.

and they installed an apartment for him.

in some ways - my sister and i know the score (he has been in my life since i was eight years old) but it does good to talk to her about it.

some choice quotes:

my birthday.

doom-e: uuurr....is v*******a there?
fat bitch: WELL THE NEWS IS OUT.
doom-e: what's that?
fat bitch: I'm dying.


christmas

doom-e: uuurr....is v*******a there?
fat bitch: WELL THE NEWS IS OUT.
doom-e: what's that?
fat bitch: I'm dying.

anniversary of my mother's death.

doom-e: uuurr....is v*******a there?
fat bitch: WELL THE NEWS IS OUT.
doom-e: what's that?
fat bitch: I'm dying.


or this disturbing habit of coming to jobs that were i was a part-time job worker and talking to employees trying to convince them that i was gay, etc.

a disturbed man. my mum, she knew how to pick 'em!

doom-e, Saturday, 30 November 2002 12:13 (twenty-three years ago)

Doomie, for saying I look like DH I hereby sentence you to three hours locked in a room with nothing but the Cheeky Girls record on constant replay.

You do! Hahhahaha....I grew up in ice-hockey country as well and was forced to skate by tyrannical gym teacher who was annoyed of my habit of bringing a book and fully prepared to read during gym class.

ps - my step father recently went into chronic care. he was telling all of the nurses that my sister was abusing him. i.e. when she yells at me I get scared. my sister sensing drama and frankly tired of dealing with him got him into chronic care and shortly a rest home.

and...she still visits him thrice weekly out of duty to my mother, i would suspect.

doom-e, Saturday, 30 November 2002 12:17 (twenty-three years ago)

I had to check back on this looking like DH business - my first thought was D*v*d H*wie.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 30 November 2002 12:26 (twenty-three years ago)

doesnt *a*i* *o*ie where a dh wig? i thought i saw a thread in here somewhere.

i'm off - to buy some coffee and cakes and eat like a pig.

DOOM-E, Saturday, 30 November 2002 12:28 (twenty-three years ago)

Doom-E for what it's worth I've got training in family counseling (and direct experience with my own non-functioning family to boot). What you gotta do is, and this is harder to do than say, ignore all crazy behavior. Any reaction at all which you give to crazy behavior just reinforces the behavior. I am not a strict behaviorist but in family situations the behaviorists' contentions seem painfully true. Like these phone calls you make where "fat bitch" gives the same tired manipulative response: your best bet is to cheerfully pretend that you're having a normal conversation.

Of course this is assuming that your goal is to get things to go your way. If you're wanting to look out for your own mental health, then you should just tell everybody exactly how you feel & in no uncertain terms. But I don't suppose you need to be told that in that case there'll be fireworks.

Good luck — I am successfully avoiding my family for the seventh Christmas in a row and I've never felt better :)

J0hn Darn13ll3 (J0hn Darn13ll3), Saturday, 30 November 2002 14:20 (twenty-three years ago)

that's interesting, john, that's usually the response that i give him. i ignore him. if i actually try to ply my way into the madness - i get very depressed. that's why i was struggling to tell my sister as if i were to talk to her about it - i would achieve his goal - adding to the drama.

oh well - even dealing with it, briefly, got me depressed. and i had to take a bath (going to wash that fat bitch right out of my hair) and went out and got some cds (retail therapy) nico, chelsea girls, velvet crush, free expression and wauvenfold.

but the best news is that the crush have released an album i never knew about! soft sounds..

thanks, john. 'tis crazed behaviour. i've felt stronger since moving away from the whole mess but guilty for leaving it for my sister to deal with.

doom-e, Saturday, 30 November 2002 14:31 (twenty-three years ago)

he once asked if he could move in with me!!!! my response was thus: sure, but if you are prepared to live in my backroom, steep in your own filth whilst i steal your pension cheques and all of yer money, then sure! (said in cheery voice)

i.e. made it very clear that living with me is not an option.

doom-e, Saturday, 30 November 2002 14:33 (twenty-three years ago)

BEWARE: N*ws of the W***d journalists researching P***ky story are lurking.

notparanoid, Saturday, 30 November 2002 14:37 (twenty-three years ago)

pl***ky's story is old news. he's locked up. they got the quotes. i sincerely doubt they are on here to write about my family traumas. it's not exactly news.

doom-e, Saturday, 30 November 2002 14:40 (twenty-three years ago)

I really wish it were old news, really truly I do, trust me, this aint over yet.

AFKAP, Saturday, 30 November 2002 14:44 (twenty-three years ago)

you shacked up with an ex-n*zi. but friggin' deal. please stay out of my thread.

doom-e, Saturday, 30 November 2002 14:47 (twenty-three years ago)

i.e. STAY OFF MY FUCKING THREAD! YER YESTERDAY'S NEWS. THE MORE THAT YOU DO THIS THE MORE YOU DRAW ATTENTION TO YERSELF. SOMETHING REALLY SHITTY AND AWFUL WILL HAPPEN TODAY AND YOU WILL BE FORGOTTEN ABOUT. SO AGAIN, KEEP OFF THE THREAD WITH YER USELESS PARANOIA AND ATTENTION SEEKING.

doom-e, Saturday, 30 November 2002 14:50 (twenty-three years ago)

basically, shove off. how can you take my thread and turn into your thread. can't you go somewhere else?

doom-e, Saturday, 30 November 2002 14:51 (twenty-three years ago)

because of you i have to now pre-fix all of my posts with the disclaimer: i have never been a nazi nor hold any racist views.

doom-e, Saturday, 30 November 2002 14:53 (twenty-three years ago)

ignore all crazy behavior. Any reaction at all which you give to crazy behavior just reinforces the behavior

john is 100% correct. can be difficult to do, not reacting can be very hard, but is necessary - reaction validates the behaviour. response/reaction sought after...response/reaction achieved.

****** has realised this with her stalker, hes tried all tactics but she never ever reacts to it. this is infuriating for him, without the audience/reaction his behaviour has no point. of course, now that the authorities are involved he'll be dealt with, but he hasnt achieved anything at all, just bluster in the wind. it helps that ****** is almost completely imperterbable.

L in mcr, on the other hand, reacted to her stalker, angrily, which provided encouragement to him. of course he was disciplined in the end as well, but i think he enjoyed his stalking more while it lasted.

models of behaviour such as this seem to me to expose a need for importance, a need to matter, not to be irrelevance. i always look at things this way whenever people engage in difficult or threatening behaviour (ask the question, why?). these things are always about power, a need to exercise power in perhaps the only domain they feel they have any. reaction only proves to them that they do indeed have this power, and then the whole thing just drags on and on

all this is easier said then done of course! i respect ****** for not reacting or losing her temper, because she could quite easily just take a saucepan to his head, and, weirdly, i feel he would actually prefer this to happen than the imperturbability hes facing.


gareth (gareth), Saturday, 30 November 2002 14:54 (twenty-three years ago)

gareth - yer right, i reinforced the crazy behaviour of the attention seeking mentalist.

i am opting to ignore my step father.

thanks, gareth.

doom-e, Saturday, 30 November 2002 14:57 (twenty-three years ago)

i lost my temper but JEEZUS how can she take a thread about my family and suddenly turn it into her thread, yet again, about herself.

doom-e, Saturday, 30 November 2002 15:01 (twenty-three years ago)

dont forget, ignoring can also be seen as reactive if it seems you are doing it consciously in response to his abuse (ie, if he sees it as "right then, fuck you, i'm igoring you now"). becuase that still suggests its in response to his behaviour. bolsters his importance (so much that you have to take the drastic response of ignoring him)

i think it has to be more treating him like you treat the bus driver, the man in the shop, the woman 2 doors down. no particular emotion attached. ie, not important enough to actually ignore, if you see what i mean. think of someone you dont really speak to that much, you dont dislike them, its just one of those things, you just dont know them well enough to call or anything. treat him like that.

of course you may be seething inside, the trick is not venting this. and it isnt that easy, i'm not great at it myself

gareth (gareth), Saturday, 30 November 2002 15:04 (twenty-three years ago)

Maybe because she didn't want anyone else to suffer because of her mistake? Maybe because she's unable to offer any advice because anything she says will be quoted in a tabloid?
Good luck with the step dad thing.

anon (anon), Saturday, 30 November 2002 15:07 (twenty-three years ago)

models of behaviour such as this seem to me to expose a need for importance, a need to matter, not to be irrelevance. i always look at things this way whenever people engage in difficult or threatening behaviour (ask the question, why?). these things are always about power, a need to exercise power in perhaps the only domain they feel they have any. reaction only proves to them that they do indeed have this power, and then the whole thing just drags on and on

this oddly, seems up my step father, it's a need to matter, a need for power, he could not achieve this through regular routes due to high levels of self-absorbed behaviour thus he is being negative, which of course, worked effectively until i reached the age of 14 or so when i realise that it was not a need for love but a need for power that he craves and desires. when my mother died suddenly, he now struggles and it a pattern which continues with his own family.

i never ignore him, like you said in your post above, i treat him with detachment because if i give him any sort of response beyond detachment he will launch into wild drama (i.e. the last conversation that i had with him) but at the same time, i have to listen to his infuriating drones, lies, racism, bitterness and hatred of me.

doom-e, Saturday, 30 November 2002 15:07 (twenty-three years ago)

Maybe because she didn't want anyone else to suffer because of her mistake? Maybe because she's unable to offer any advice because anything she says will be quoted in a tabloid?
Good luck with the step dad thing.
-- anon (anon@o...), November 30th, 2002.

she wants to be quoted. i thought she was not coming on here again. what's the headline PL*NKY OFFERS ADVICE TO FELLOW INTERNET MENTALIST: STEP DADS ARE EVIL.

self-grandeur bs.

and keep it off the thread.

doom-e, Saturday, 30 November 2002 15:10 (twenty-three years ago)

I really hope it goes well for you Doomie! My own family back home (two thousand blessed miles from me) has been jacking up the drama lately and it's been a struggle to just keep changing the subject until they want to talk about something reasonable instead of their own crazed dramatics.

Brrr, I get nervous just thinking about it. Best to you anyhow!

PS "anon," Doomie is right, this has nothing to do with your situation & we're all adults here -- if we wind up in the tabloids, that's our headache not yours -- thanks for your concern all the same

J0hn Darn13ll3 (J0hn Darn13ll3), Saturday, 30 November 2002 15:10 (twenty-three years ago)

if you manage to make this work what will happen is this: because the abusive behaviour elicits no validating response, it begins to seem rather silly, like a mad eyed man shouting on the street corner, a man railing at all around, yet no one even notices (this happens to all shouters in the end). because it begins to seem rather silly, you eventually get a weird pity (what a waste, why is this person devoting all this energy to this mode of behaviour?). once you start feeling pity, well, any power they had subsides doesnt it. hopefully you get to the point not where you are trying to hide anger, but that its difficult to muster anger over a target that has become ridiculuous

(already, maybe you can feel a sort of pity for the fact that someone so obviously needs your subservience and your reaction? i mean, they're quite indebted to you, no? without his audience he has...what?)

gareth (gareth), Saturday, 30 November 2002 15:13 (twenty-three years ago)

of course, then your problem may become him guilt tripping, once he realises he has no hold at all (this may happen anyway as he reaches old age)

gareth (gareth), Saturday, 30 November 2002 15:19 (twenty-three years ago)

if i go down the avenues of pity with him - it would be no end. that's the thing, logically, i can understand why he would want pity. but he craves pity. needs it endlessly.

this is cruel and heartless but at my mother's funeral, he shouted at me, in front of everyone because i dared to put flowers in her heads and mess up the rosary, which was positioned to say a specifc prayer. so calls me fuckhead, etc, at the funeral, and when everybody recoils when i say 'i'm sorry i wanted to place some flowers in my dead mother's head' he breaks down liza minelli styles and goes 'OOOOOOO....HE HATES ME AND THINK I'M A TERRIBLE FATHER' (always a given).

he thrives off of it. for example, at my sister's house (which is fairly large), the apartment was very small, converted garage, and he tells everyone 'How can ************** do this to me? Make me pay 700.00 dollars a month to live here? How can she be so evil'

When my brother-in-law got wind of it, he went, 'Well, when you kicked her out of the house, she had to live in a rooming house for the same amount of money (not mentioning the two black eyes he gave her)....'

My sister, heard it and just said 'Listen, we lose money on you staying here, the food that you eat, the television cable, the phone, the nurses, the ceaseless errands that i go for you, the doctor's appointments that i drive you on...'

and there is always that famous quote that gets bruoght out on family occassions - 'you wished it was me, not your mother that died' well, yes. is it not obvious?

i mean, he went to me, last christmas and went 'Doom-e, I got ************* really good, we were arguing and i said 'you wished it was me and not your mother that died don't you'

so, in summing up, i can't afford to give him pity, love, anger, nothing, he's a black hole of human emotions.

i can just afford to detach myself.

DOOM-E, Saturday, 30 November 2002 15:22 (twenty-three years ago)

i mean, he went to me, last christmas and went 'Doom-e, I got ************* really good, we were arguing and i said 'you wished it was me and not your mother that died don't you'

and he was laughing, this gumless chuckle because she was crying, no, not because he had said that, but becuase my mother and ***************** were best friends.

he's evil. i don't want anything to do with him.

doom-e, Saturday, 30 November 2002 15:26 (twenty-three years ago)

detachment is the best route, yes. there are many wonderful people in the world, and every piece of energy or emotion or feeling you give to someone who doesnt deserve it is a piece that could go to someone who does deserve it, or to yourself

gareth (gareth), Saturday, 30 November 2002 15:28 (twenty-three years ago)

why is dancing spiderman not on this thread?

DV (dirtyvicar), Saturday, 30 November 2002 22:49 (twenty-three years ago)


last night on maudlin street...


doom-e, Saturday, 30 November 2002 23:43 (twenty-three years ago)

next timeo you see your stepdad you should do this.

gareth (gareth), Sunday, 1 December 2002 04:26 (twenty-three years ago)


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