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So like I was having this conversation with a certain Brooklynite ILxor DJ type that we all know and love (a conversation that resulted in the brilliant quote from him: "German is the Ikea of languages."), and it somehow got onto dating shows and personals and I pointed out how I've never really gone on a date, more like I hang out with people I know which has inexplicably ended in sleeping together somehow. The times I've gone on proper met-so-and-so-somewhere-and-they-called-and-asked-to-meet-for-drinks type of dates have been very awkward and horrible and sort of like "Who the hell are you and why are you at my dinner table?"

So now I'm tempted to do an experiment in dating sociology involving personal ads. I'm thinking of doing one up - very bluntly stating that I am NOT interested in any sort of real relationship but more friendly type things - and forcing myself to go out with people who I have nothing to say to and learning how to do that without, for example, getting up and walking out (as I did the last time I went on a date-date). And possibly chronicling all of this.

Worst idea I ever had or brilliant exercise? Am I safe to assume not everyone on online personals is insane these days?

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 9 December 2002 04:33 (twenty-two years ago)

This reminds me of the movie "20 Dates" in which a guy films himself going on several "real" disastrous dates. (The moral of which seemed to be: if you are a jerk like this guy is, girls won't like you.)

Just make sure you screen guys a little at least. My general rule for personals (not that I would ever use them) is to assume everyone is a digusting horrible 500 pound guy living in a basement. So always, always get a picture. Also, salon.com has a good personals site (not that I have ever used it.) (But beware, because it is shared with nerve.com.)

bnw (bnw), Monday, 9 December 2002 05:09 (twenty-two years ago)

what bnw said. get the pix first (though the hot-looking guy/gal could still be a 500-lb loser living in mum's basement who happened to swipe a picture of some hot looking guy/gal)

or say yer easy ... that'll get the dates real fast

Tad (llamasfur), Monday, 9 December 2002 05:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Those nerve.com personals are shared w/ about 156 different sites. They're better than match.com's system, though, in that the profiles allow you to show a little more of your personality - answers to goofy, specific questions are much better / more indicative of what a person's about than boring ol' generalizations re: What You Want From A Match.

I'd like to say something positive re: personal ad type things, but they've been a big fat flaming dudorama for me (that is, haven't met anyone face-to-face, and have scared off / been scared by a handful of folk), but this has more to do with my ways & means than with the system, which, theoretically, could work just fine.

I imagine, BTW, that you'll get a whole lotta e-mail traffic, for all the obvious reasons, so keep that inbox nice & tidy.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 9 December 2002 05:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, I'm not looking for something that is beyond a dud, to be honest. Like I said, I have 0 interest in actually obtaining a relationship at this point in time from any means, much less this kind of means.

The real key is whether or not this is blatantly horrible to be going into this with the idea of possibly chronicling the experience in some way (obv. "names will be changed to protect the innocent"), does this make this dishonest, or less honest than any one else's reasons for doing this?

Also, will I get murdered?

Obv. I'd be screening, I can't be seen with just anyone. I wrote a profile on nerve.com but will probably delete it in the morning when I get 40 emails and realize this is a HORRIBLE IDEA. This is what I wrote, if this link even fucking works. Sorry Mike, but I cut you out of the picture.

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 9 December 2002 05:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Let me say this; my *favorite boyfriend ever* (ok read my only real one ever, in a way) I met online without seeing a picture first; I just had a good vibe. When I met him, he turned out to be so attractive I couldn't believe it. Of couse it's a crap shoot, and I do recommend gettingt a picture, but that story is a true one; I'm glad I took the risk.

Sean (Sean), Monday, 9 December 2002 05:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Ally, as a never-been-on-a-date but just ended up with people I already knew individual, I find your experiment interesting; especially since I have never even been on a bad "date"--the situation has never arisen where I have met someone random and asked them out on that type of date, and even when I've been asked out it has been by people I have at least a tenuous friend-of-a-friend connection.

It seems to have worked out quite well, but I am still curious about "real" dating and would be interested to read the results. I have several friends who have experimented with on-line dating, no relationships but no total freak stories either.

webcrack (music=crack), Monday, 9 December 2002 05:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Yep, contrary to popular opinion, extremely good looking people do use the internet. Met my most conventionally handsome boyfriend online as well.

Kim (Kim), Monday, 9 December 2002 05:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I met a dear friend of mine 13 years ago through (the very early incarnation of) alt.personals--long story, but I'm still in touch with her, and she's supercool. Also, 4 years or so ago, I went through a period of going on LOTS of first dates with people I met through Web personals (mostly through the late lamented swoon.com). Like, about 30 of them. (Note: I screened pretty thoroughly before agreeing to meet anyone...)

Result: I met a lot of people I would _never_ otherwise have met. A few of them are still good friends of mine (one was eventually the photographer at my wedding!). A couple were horror stories (but amusing horror stories, thankfully). Most of them were perfectly nice to have dinner & a two-hour conversation with once, and in any case it was easily worth it for the friends I made.

Ally asks if it's bad to go in with the idea of documenting it all. I think if it's _only_ with the idea of documenting it and you don't tell them that upfront, yes, it's sort of dishonest. But if you announce on your ad, outright, that it's a project you're documenting and that's basically it, that's fine (and I don't think it'd scare off everyone); also, if you're _open to_ something other than a dud surprising you, even if you assume that what you're going to get is all duds, that helps.

Douglas, Monday, 9 December 2002 06:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Ally - I think in order for us to see your ad you need to tell us your profile name.

I tried a similar experiment once, and after a not very entertaining sampling of duds, met someone quite charming -- hardly a homicidal basement mentalist -- who was trying the same experiment herself and turning it into literature rather successfully.

I think that saying you're doing it just for the experience will be interpreted by most potential dates as a common defense mechanism; i.e., they won't entirely believe it.

I find dates quite fun but I can't explain exactly why. I don't want to admit that I relish the other person's awkwardness, but that might indeed be part of it. Plus it's like a game or flying a kite or something: fun to see if you can follow all the cues and traditions correctly and keep it aloft.

And the Web now makes dating easy, instant, and mess-free! I highly recommend it as an experience, but do expect to be disappointed/depressed by the cross-section of humanity you uncover.

Paul Eater (eater), Monday, 9 December 2002 06:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think it's a bad idea, or really dishonest, even, to go into it only wanting to 'chronicle' the experience. For one thing it'd be very interesting..for another, you never know what might happen..you say now you don't want a relationship, which is most likely true, but you might find someone too irresistible....it's a crapshoot more or less....either way you come out on top...

You also might learn a thing or two which might help when the time does come, which makes it completely honest from the get go...

B, Monday, 9 December 2002 06:35 (twenty-two years ago)

I have a password, mainly because I (now) write for Nerve! (I interviewed Slug from Atmosphere -- http://www.nerve.com/screeningroom/music/slug/ -- and am at work on a microhouse piece for them.) I like the personal, Ally, it reads fine. I've considered doing something similar myself, actually, so you'll have to keep us (or at least me) updated on how it goes.

M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 9 December 2002 06:45 (twenty-two years ago)

"spiderman is sexy, batman is sexier"? dude, it's so the other way around!!

geeta (geeta), Monday, 9 December 2002 07:30 (twenty-two years ago)

HAHA, I've been persuaded by friends to do the nerve.com thing, and so one of new year's resolution will be to whore myself via Nerve circa January.

Is Nerve, like, really huge in your city.? It seems half the folks I know in my town have had a nerve.com profile at one time or another.

Yeah, so Ally, we should compare and contract stories.


donut bitch (donut), Monday, 9 December 2002 07:36 (twenty-two years ago)

um, that's contrast stories... although I like the typo.

donut bitch (donut), Monday, 9 December 2002 07:36 (twenty-two years ago)

i always thought the date itself WAS a screening process. but then, i wouldn't know the etiquette as Nzedders don't "date". (we don't date cuz we are CLASSIC!)

di smith (lucylurex), Monday, 9 December 2002 07:39 (twenty-two years ago)

can't speak for anyone else, but I would go for a nerve.com ad from someone named Donut Bitch

Tad (llamasfur), Monday, 9 December 2002 07:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Aw Tad, I'll put you on the guest list next time you swing by my place. ;-)

donut bitch (donut), Monday, 9 December 2002 08:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Spiderman is too much of an indie kid, I like indie kids who are ex goths like Batman.

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 9 December 2002 15:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Nerve/salon is pretty huge in NYC, especially with Brooklyn indie kids. Its like 3 : 1 boys to girls though. To keep from getting murdered, obviously meet in a very public place, and for lunch or an early evening drink i.e. keep it low key. Every girl I know who has posted an ad has always gotten some sicko replies, so be prepared.

bnw (bnw), Monday, 9 December 2002 15:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I noticed there seemed to be way more guys than girls in search results - what's that about?

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 9 December 2002 15:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Still an inbalence of internet users. Plus there are always more guys that girls in straight personals anyway.

Ed (dali), Monday, 9 December 2002 15:51 (twenty-two years ago)

A friend of mine met her current boyfriend through nerve.com, so she keeps bothering me to try it. Perhaps I will... I think going into it without any expectations (as others have mentioned) is key. I have never tried any of these online dating things, so I am also curious to hear about your experience, Ally.

Jen (nstop), Monday, 9 December 2002 17:40 (twenty-two years ago)

It would be much cooler if everyone who signed up for Nerve actually got to go on a dating show. Instead of reading profiles you could just watch last night's episodes.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 9 December 2002 18:14 (twenty-two years ago)

I'dn go on a dating show, especially ones like Blind Date where they put cartoon bubbles over my head about how much I hate my dates.

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 9 December 2002 18:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I'll get the camera.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 9 December 2002 18:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I met suzy here. No one you fancy here?

Ed (dali), Monday, 9 December 2002 18:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Well through the auspices of here.

Ed (dali), Monday, 9 December 2002 18:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I've got the poster board cut into thought-baloon shapes and the giant Sharpies. when does filming commence?

M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 9 December 2002 19:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Am I safe to assume not everyone on online personals is insane these days?

How this answers that question is for you to decide, but I have made extensive use of these over the last fifteen months, and had a great time. I met my current girlfriend through them, and she is genuinely wonderful. You need to be choosy - I know you aren't looking for a partner, but you don't want your evenings to be too miserable or tedious. Looking like you do, plus being intelligent and interesting, and being in a big city (are you in NY, or have I got that wrong?) you will have an immense number of people to choose from, so you can be very choosy and still not be short of dates.

Also, will I get murdered?

Standard sensible practice seems to be to not give out your address before getting to know someone, letting friends know where you're going (or possibly just claiming you have done this!), meeting in safe places, etc. If someone wants to meet in an abandoned industrial estate at midnight and asks how he can recognise you from the back, proceed with caution.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 9 December 2002 19:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I've had some dates through internet personals. Some were good, some were duds, and there were no real relationship prospects. I tend to attract nutjobs regardless of how I meet them, so I blame myself rather than this abstract concept of a "global interweb" bubbling over with sociopathic creeps.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 9 December 2002 19:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Also, about a year and a half ago I put an ad up on the AOL personals, and most of the responses I got (my inbox was FLOODED) were from men who didn't even seem to have read my profile! I think they were just illegal aliens spamming every woman they could find so they could find wives and get green cards!

Aside from that, I got a lot of e-mail from music dorks, most of whom seemed really boring. One of them just e-mailed me a list of his favorite bands! I was like "Are you a human being, or just a bunch of albums glued together in the shape of a person?"

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 9 December 2002 19:58 (twenty-two years ago)

mmm, green card!

gareth (gareth), Monday, 9 December 2002 20:07 (twenty-two years ago)

I would TOTALLY go out on a date with a bunch of albums glued together in the shape of a person, particularly if they were Cure and Prince albums.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 9 December 2002 20:09 (twenty-two years ago)

In lieu of a real relationship, I pretty much have been dating my albums ("Well, Machine Gun Etiquette, looks like it's just you and me tonight").

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 9 December 2002 20:21 (twenty-two years ago)

i did a personal ad in the village voice years and years ago. i dithered over whether i should specify "floppy hair" in the ad or not, until my housemate pointed out how disgustingly accurate male advertisers got in their physical specifications for women.

and then the VV made a typo, so the actual ad ran SLOPPY HAIR. it was... interesting. though the only action i ever got was from a garage rock guitarist with a white boy fro. typical...

i don't think i'd do it again. too high noise to signal ratio. and my old housemate was OBSESSED with computer dating to the point of addiction. it really scared me the way that he would fish through these things looking for lonely and desperate women in order to get sex. really scared me away from them for good.

meeting people through common interests much better idea. though my interests seem to get narrower and narrower these days... sigh. i like danelectros and dronerock and damien hirst and ASS. who the fuck is going to date me? whinge, whinge, whinge, etc.

kate, Monday, 9 December 2002 20:26 (twenty-two years ago)

swm soh wants to meet illegal SPACE alien for mingling of galactic stock, like jaunts, interstellar esp

mark s (mark s), Monday, 9 December 2002 20:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Surely "illegal FURRY space alien"?

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 9 December 2002 20:45 (twenty-two years ago)

hey, Gareth, will you marry me for your green card? Another exciting thing for me to write about and poss. make a gameshow or tv show about.

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 9 December 2002 21:06 (twenty-two years ago)

ha! I almost forgot I'd set this up at Nerve and have since hidden it. In any case Ally, you have been "collect call"-ed.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 9 December 2002 21:10 (twenty-two years ago)

I've kinda been getting curious about the on-line dating services lately, as I've recently realized that working full-time, being a single father, and dedicating WAY too much of my "free" time to music has completely demolished all my options for meeting new females. The only ladies I've met in the past 6 months or so have all been bartenders at the various clubs we've played.

I have always been under the impression that, once you're a lead vocalist in a band, you're meeting-people troubles are over...let me be the first to say "HA!" to that!

Don't be surprised if'n my disturbing-ass self pops up on this nerve.com.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 9 December 2002 21:16 (twenty-two years ago)

tracer, have you not seen the show that is spun off nerve's personal ad database?

maura (maura), Monday, 9 December 2002 21:25 (twenty-two years ago)

hahahaha YES maura i have seen this... but it's no good because you don't actually see them dating, it's more like "cribs: attention-seeking NY style" where they show you their cats and their breakfast nook and everything's all tidied up and they tell you why they're so fabulous. it would be brilliant to see these same foax out in the squirmy world of lame conversation. "you're pretty shy" - "no, you are" - squirm squirm "no you are" - silence

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 9 December 2002 21:41 (twenty-two years ago)

"they show you their cats" = WORST EUPHEMISM EVER

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 9 December 2002 21:44 (twenty-two years ago)

tracer you should watch e-love on oxygen then - it follows a couple who met online as they meet for the first time and it totally meets your awkwardness expectations.

maura (maura), Monday, 9 December 2002 21:49 (twenty-two years ago)

tied with "tidy breakfast nook"

has anyone seen "X-treme Dating"?? one of the daters (or is it datees?) has two exes holed up in a trailer nearby where they follow every step of the date via live TV hookup... the other dater/ee has an EARPIECE into which the two exes feed opinions, suggestions and guffaws.... "tell him you want to see his tattoo!" "ask him how many girls he's slept with!" "he's LYING TO YOU!!"

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 9 December 2002 21:50 (twenty-two years ago)

ah maura that sounds my speed

i'v noticed that the british versh of "Blind Date" is MARKEDLY difft to the murkan one in that the daters/ees often appear to possess some tiny degree of, what's the word, ah yes, "dignity"

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 9 December 2002 21:52 (twenty-two years ago)

I can't say that thought had occurred to me, Tracer, but I've only seen the UK one. I find it hard to imagine what the US one is like.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 9 December 2002 21:58 (twenty-two years ago)

I think that "Cribs" style in-house-interview should ALWAYS be ambush-surprise stylee, so as to catch everyone in their usual state.

There's huge piles of dishes in the sink, the prospective date-ee is sitting in a bean bag chair in their boxer shorts playing Tony Hawk on P2, they haven't shaved in 3 days and it's NOT the cute kind of shaggy that Johnny Depp pulls off, there's a guitar or keyboard in every room of the house (yes, even the bathroom), all of which are out of tune so as to ruin any even slightly charming possible serenades, a variety of piles of clothes adorns the floor in varying degrees of cleanliness, etc, etc.

Well, okay, maybe that's just for when they catch ME off guard. No wonder I haven't had a date in so long.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 9 December 2002 21:58 (twenty-two years ago)

The US version is like what I said above about my dating show, ie the cartoon bubbles over my head with dodgy comments about my dates. At the end of the show, you invariably see the guy saying, "Yeah, I think she liked me" followed by the girl saying, "I guess he was ok looking but I'd never date him, he's boring/too bald/stupid/etc". Then proceeds to explain how the guy was "actually a nice guy" by ripping him into pieces

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 9 December 2002 22:55 (twenty-two years ago)

i vote ally and erik! date! date! date! (much like the roar of the romans when feeding christians to the lions)

doom-e, Monday, 9 December 2002 23:13 (twenty-two years ago)

I am prepared to see Ally now.
But ... Erik....no...
NOW.


doom-e, Monday, 9 December 2002 23:23 (twenty-two years ago)

I have always been under the impression that, once you're a lead vocalist in a band, you're meeting-people troubles are over..

your pulling-people troubles are over, that's for sure. but you're meeting-people-you'd-like-to-see-again-the-next-day potential spirals down into non-existent. waaaahhhhh!!! etc. etc.

kate, Monday, 9 December 2002 23:33 (twenty-two years ago)

why do birds suddenly sing...



doom-e, Monday, 9 December 2002 23:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Martin in the American one the post-date interviews are usually like "well, he has a GRAHHT body, and he's a good kisser" (you get graphic on-camera kissing at least half the time).... from the British eps I remember it was basically "yeah i think she likes me; i might try holding her hand tomorrow". Murkan format is only ONE date so possibly more pressure to make something "happen"?

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 9 December 2002 23:49 (twenty-two years ago)

wait they do go out on follow-up dates sometimes, don't they? eh i can't remember. it definitely seems very disjointed though; a lot of pressure to "perform" or something, rather than just sort of be together and discover things.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 9 December 2002 23:51 (twenty-two years ago)

In lieu of a real relationship, I pretty much have been dating my albums

You and me both. It's losing its appeal I have to admit.

btw, I don't think it would work out between Ally and Erik.

Sean (Sean), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 01:18 (twenty-two years ago)

HAHA Spencer if you lived here I'd reply to your ad, that picture is fantastic. Why are you wearing that hat! FYI my sister would be totally into you.

Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 01:23 (twenty-two years ago)

That was from a shmancy Christmas party in Napa last year (actually Xmas '00). You know there's semi-shaggy hair under that thing. There was also a cast on my hand (I don't usually wear white fingerless gloves with a tuxedo... usually). Also, I'm a big liar about smoking, but I figured I could quit for the duration of a date (I think a majority of people in L.A. list it as a definitive turn-off).

Also, did you actually buy credits? I set mine up over a year ago, but just couldn't bring myself to actually spend money on it. Then I hid it. However, I know quite a few people who've had good experiences with Nerve.

OH and of course Ally, if I lived in NYC, I'd definitely buy credits and IG you.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 03:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha, buying credits is for fools!

Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 03:15 (twenty-two years ago)

If anyone wants any tips on some good free web dating sites, at least in the UK (I haven't looked to see how international they are), feel free to drop me a line - I haven't said a word about people taking me up on such an offer before, and I will continue to keep quiet.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 13:46 (twenty-two years ago)

six years pass...

i read these in the guardian article on the london review of books personals.

Yesterday I was a disgusting spectacle in end-stage alcoholism with a gambling problem and not a hope in the world. Today I am the author of this magnificent life-altering statement of yearning and desire. You are a woman to 55 with plenty of cash and very little self-respect. When you reply to this advert your life will never be the same again. My name is Bernard. Never call me Bernie.

Normally on the first few dates I borrow mannerisms from the more interesting people I know and veyr often steal phrases and anecdotes from them aloing with concepts and ideas from obscure yet wittily written books. It makes me appear more attractive and personable than I actually am. With you however Im going to be a belligerent old shit from the veyr beginning. Thats because I like you and feel ready to give you honesty. Belligerent Old Shit (M 53)

All I need is the air that I breathe and to love you. And a five door saloon (fully air con). And a minimum income of £55k per annum. And two holidays a year (Latin America plus one other of my choosing). If you can meet these requirements apply to 'Evil Dragon Lady, Breaker of Mens Constitutions. (37).

IF intense, post-fight sex scares you, I'm not the woman for you (amateur big boned cage wrestler, 62).

I hate you all. I hate London. I hate books. I hate critics. I hate this magazine, I hate this column and I hate all the goons who appear in it. But if you have large breasts, are younger than 30 and don’t want to talk about the novel you’re ‘writing’ I’ll put all that aside for approximately two hours one Saturday afternoon in January. Man, 33.

uk grime faggot (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 26 January 2009 10:00 (sixteen years ago)

unnnngh

special guest stars mark bronson, Monday, 26 January 2009 10:21 (sixteen years ago)


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