Narnia nd Fairy Tales

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Thinking about Narnia

I was raised on stories that had rape (Snow White), torture (Red Rose, with the red hot shoes), death by freezing (Jack London), bodies transmogrified by nascent surrealism (Alice in Wonderland), beatings (Huck Finn), absentee fathers (Huck Finn), animals of all sorts dying (Old Yeller, Jackie the Cur), frozen legs being chopped off by (Mrs. Mike), starvation (The Little Match Girl), cannibalism (the marzipan heart in Snow White), hidden gardens (The Secret Garden), eyes being pecked out (Cinderella), evil witches, Indian spies (Kim) and all other kinds of mysterious spaces- it was weird and odd and wonderful- it featured more sex and violence, and out there sex and violence -then ever could have been healthy- I loved them all though, and every thing else my mother read me that wasn¡¯t children¡¯s literature (i.e. Shakespeare, Wordsworth, Blake)

Children were not shielded and the world was not happily ever after- it was a cruel place, but a place filled with adventures and secrets- an exciting places. Narnia, which I avoided as a child-does not have any of the mysterious spaces, the sex, the violence, the danger or the subterfuge- there is always an escape route back to the English middle classes. Its also celibate in a really repressed way- In his essay reviewing Norton¡¯s Annotated Fairy Tales, found in the 12/09/02 New Yorker- Adam Gopnik says this:
" ... CS Lewis's Narnia tales uneasily mix an optimistic Christian morality with a darker and more intuitive pagan one... "
Now this is not a bad thing, except that as a folk form the parable and the fairy tale are diametrically opposed- one is about danger and sex, all of the id ridden Freudian black spaces, and one is about safety and celibacy, the super ego imposing order.

The struggle of Narnia is not one of Good against Light in a divine sense-but of form ¨C my early up bringing has lead me to like my children¡¯s lit to maintain the possibility of death, and Narnia doesn¡¯t do that?

In Dante¡¯s Divine Comedy Heaven is dull compared to Hell, writing about joy leads you less adjectives and is more tenuous then the varied unpleasentries found in the Inferno. The same case can be made for Milton- and Blake made it best when he said ¡°Milton was of the devil's party and he didn't know it." ¨Cnot to say that Milton or Dante were into hell as people, their theology leant towards heaven and so did Lewis¡¯s- As well comparing a series of Children¡¯s Novels to some of the best Christian theology is ludicrous- the argument I am making is that Lewis seems to be scared of the muck, of the shit, of the daily effects of sin and life, and so the books are didactic and dull- the strongest passages from a writely point of view deal with the witch and Charon and evil- I mean describing Anslan and as a big pussy cat really has no regal power does it ?

This is matched by elements of low comedy and sudden rescue, much of it seems clumsy and much of it seems like there is a better book coming out of it.

So why do I feel a compulsion to finish it?

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 00:35 (twenty-three years ago)

long posts at the start of threads deter would-be respondees.

DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 15:45 (twenty-three years ago)

I seem to recall a lot of violence in The Last Battle, somehow.

Uh, I've been going through them again these past couple weeks; I think what I like is Lewis's skill as a storyteller, which is a horribly indistinct way of putting it - not his skill as a prose stylist (argh) - not the way he puts things into writing, but the choices of detail - Mrs Beaver's sewing machine , enchanted Turkish Delight..

It gave me giggles to imagine Tolkien reading one of his scenes of heroism and daring and c. to the Inklings, and then Lewis reading them Reepicheep the High Mouse (=!!). I don't know if this did happen but it should have.

also, puddleglum r0x0r

Can you expand upon what you mean by "the possibility of death"? This seems to go against what I remember, particularly of the twist ending in the last book..

thom west (thom w), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 16:57 (twenty-three years ago)

Surely the ending of The Last Battle supports the idea that there is no possibility of death in the Narnia books. Yes, the children have died in Our World. Yes, Narnia itself has died. But look! The children and the nice Narnian people get to live in Aslan's land for ever and ever instead.


Happily ever after, etc.

caitlin (caitlin), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 17:03 (twenty-three years ago)

yes yes but susan and all the animals who aren't allowed thru the door!!

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 17:23 (twenty-three years ago)

Yay, somebody else read "Mrs. Mike"!

Laurel, Wednesday, 11 December 2002 17:48 (twenty-three years ago)

mrs mike rocks the mic. mark continue on with the susan thing.

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 20:31 (twenty-three years ago)

It's been a while, but here's what I remember: I LOVED the idea of being able to get to another world through a wardrobe, but all the intense moralism was confusing to me, mostly because I wasn't very familiar with the specifics of Christianity back then and didn't know where it was coming from. This made the books more mysterious and unpredictable to me than most fairy tales were, since I read The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe before I read any of the New Testament. I never found them didactic for the same reason - not sure how I'd respond to them now. Comparing it with Milton may not be too off the mark. I don't think Lewis necessarily wrote the books he meant to write: to some extent Narnia ran off with his imagination and made him create a world so compelling that real life (and real religion) could hardly live up to it.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 21:21 (twenty-three years ago)

I reacted the same way as Justyn. For some reason I took fairy tales for granted without being horrified at the gore, but when they killed Aslan I was absolutely devastated. The resurrection came as a total shock, because of my lack of familiarity with Christianity. Perhaps the effect was more pronounced if you didn't expect it.

Maria (Maria), Thursday, 12 December 2002 01:10 (twenty-three years ago)

My fave book remains The Voyage of the Dawn Treader, but then again maybe I'm just a sucker for stories that cover distances (The Silver Chair isn't far behind).

Maria's point about Aslan's death is well taken -- it should be said that though I was raised with a fairly good if basic knowledge of the Bible, at the time I first heard and then read the books I made no connection at ALL between them and Lewis's source material, if you like, so I was flat out surprised as well. Not sure whether that was intentional or not, but thank heavens he at least put the story first (unlike say, the Left Behind fools).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 12 December 2002 03:34 (twenty-three years ago)

in the last battle, the people not allowed in Real Actual Further-Up-and-Further-In Platonic Narnia really actually die, surely? Which means heaven must also encompass eternal bereavement, which is an odd concept — or does Peter sit in Real Actual Further-Up-and-Further-In Platonic Cair Paravel forever, never once thinking about his sister because she long ago as a living teen wore lipstick? Orwell to thread!!

That scene, where the preterite are turned aside at the doorframe — and old father ethan squeezes out the sun and suddenly the door is all icicles, and the star people are standing about all punky-spiky - is I think the most potent thing he ever wrote, exactly bcz it somehow punches the matter of a John Martin painting into middleclass suburban normality, which is what I like abt Lewis.

philip pullman elaborates the meaning of portals — infinite different doorways the writer/knifewielder can carve in the air — and thus amps up one of the other hudden implications, that if this is Narnia Only More So that they reached, then complicated, contradictory pile-ups of the imagination (pagan vs xtian, gothick vs quaker town-planner etc) will increase, as will access to portals

it's called the lion the witch and the wardrobe in that order bcz the wardrobe is actually the most powerful, perilous, liberating element (it's like the copernican revolution of the multiverse!!!)

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 12 December 2002 12:38 (twenty-three years ago)

Its called The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe because it scans better in that order (plus juxtaposition of the ordinary with the mundane works best when the mundane upsets the ordinary, not the other way around).

Pete (Pete), Thursday, 12 December 2002 12:52 (twenty-three years ago)

yes but the reason it scans better is bcz the talismanic word "wardrobe" signifies a more powerful elemental magic than the other lesser magics invoked DO YOU SPELL!!

you obvious non-warlock you

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 12 December 2002 12:56 (twenty-three years ago)

I prefer the Russian version Tanya Grotter and the Tiger, Fairy and the Cupboard.

Pete (Pete), Thursday, 12 December 2002 14:08 (twenty-three years ago)


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