Being a Mac user c/d?

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Don't get me wrong, I love my Mac. I am a sucker for a good marketing campaign, and I now have my digital hub. I am oh so smart. Or am I?

Limewire sucks. Broadband hates OS9 and early versions of OSX. Game developers seem to have forgotten the Mac. I can't afford Jaguar. I can't afford iTools. But how shiny is your machine, little PC man?

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Thursday, 19 December 2002 20:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Classic: using a mac for graphic design and going on the web

Dud: mac advocacy, prior to OS X

Uber Dud: derriding a command line before OS X was announced to be UNIX and championing the flexibility of it afterwards

― Jonathan Williams (ex machina), Thursday, 19 December 2002 20:19 (twenty-two years ago)

After fifteen years as a diehard PC user, I bought an iBook on a whim last month.

I sold it last week.

― mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 19 December 2002 20:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Ooooh. Harsh, Mark.

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Thursday, 19 December 2002 20:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Poor Mark. He understands not the Ways and Means of Mac. But I forgive him. ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 19 December 2002 20:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Classic!

― Sean (Sean), Thursday, 19 December 2002 20:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Poor Mark. He understands not the Ways and Means of Mac. But I forgive him. ;-)

< /patronizer>

― mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 19 December 2002 21:01 (twenty-two years ago)

I suspect this thread will split along the following lines:

Mac users: "Classic!"

PC users: "Dud!"

It must be said that Macintosh makes the only good-looking desktop computers available; how come PC users are willing to sacrifice the decor of their homes for a little brawn? Considering, I mean, that the only place a PC looks good is in an office.

― J0hn Darn13ll3 (J0hn Darn13ll3), Thursday, 19 December 2002 21:03 (twenty-two years ago)

(Disclosure: when I learned that there was an option to the PC, circa '93, I practically leapt for joy: why anybody would want to use a PC when there are Macs available is beyond me.)

― J0hn Darn13ll3 (J0hn Darn13ll3), Thursday, 19 December 2002 21:04 (twenty-two years ago)

a pc looks cool if it is all beat up and painted colors

― Jonathan Williams (ex machina), Thursday, 19 December 2002 21:04 (twenty-two years ago)

John I think you just answered your own question!

Once my aesthetic love affair with the iBook waned, I came around to the creeping realization that it did half of what my old laptop did, with none of the vaunted stability or intuition.

The popular Mac chimera ('ease of use') applies only if you're comfortable sacrificing option after option after option...

(At which point, I guess, anything's easy to use.)

― mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 19 December 2002 21:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Because PC users often don't want to pay an additional $500 just for the design?

Seriously, though, there are a lot of PC boxes out there that look every bit as good (or better) than a lot of the Macs you see, but yeah, you have to pay more for them.

Being a professional computer technology reviewer, I'm not going to take sides here on the actual hardware and the users themselves. I think that both Mac and PC have their strengths and weaknesses and arguing one over the other is futile. At work, I have one of each.

What is total dud is Apple's switch campaign, which just smacks of desparation and in some cases could be construed as false advertising. (The insinuation in some of the ads is that Macs never crash, which anyone who's ever used one can tell you is utter crap. They crash just like PCs do; they just do it more stylishly.)

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Thursday, 19 December 2002 21:20 (twenty-two years ago)

PC's and Mac's are pretty comparable in terms of stability with OS X and Win2k/XP

― Jonathan Williams (ex machina), Thursday, 19 December 2002 21:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Better question: Mac System Bomb message vs Blue Screen of Death?

Being a MAC user is both C/D, just depends on what your actually using the thing for.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 19 December 2002 21:37 (twenty-two years ago)

thre have been threads about this before, cf http://internet

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 19 December 2002 21:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Hmmm, video editing maybe? Mine's tricked out-FCP 3, all the adobe stuff-but OSX keeps nosediving on me. Like I said, I basically need Jaguar, but I don't have the cash.

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Thursday, 19 December 2002 21:50 (twenty-two years ago)

I will stick with my Atari 1040st for now, thank u.

― Pashmina, Thursday, 19 December 2002 21:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Mac users are just looking for attention.

― Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 19 December 2002 22:09 (twenty-two years ago)

ME ME ME ME. Er, yes.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 19 December 2002 22:19 (twenty-two years ago)

I use both, but I've found it's much more difficult to figure out problems with Macs. the whole thing about swapping extensions in and out until you find out which one is causing a problem is insane.

also, the PC bang for buck is a big deal, since you can double your computer's speed every couple years for under $500 (if you recycle some parts).

and it's far easier to get various utility software for PCs and all the big programs are released simultaneously (and if at all for Macs).

finally, the graphic design edge for Macs is now a non-issue.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 19 December 2002 22:27 (twenty-two years ago)

yr Sound Dust (PC Users get FruityLoops)

yr games, and yr other games

I can't wait to get OS X.

Oh, and
finally, the graphic design edge for Macs is now a non-issue.

Spencer, you work in graphic design?

― Tom Millar (Millar), Thursday, 19 December 2002 23:00 (twenty-two years ago)

So far, it hasn't crashed at all, totally unlike any PC I've used. And while the software just arrived and I haven't had time to work on it yet, it seems better-suited to doing music-related stuff. Plus, it looks better.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Thursday, 19 December 2002 23:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Once I disconnected my scanner (which wasn't supported anyway), my new computer with Windows XP stopped crashing. In fact, once I got used to the deeply ugly graphics scheme, I started loving it (YAY TASK MANAGER!).

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 19 December 2002 23:11 (twenty-two years ago)

yr Sound Dust (PC Users get FruityLoops)

PC users get audiomulch.

― David (David), Thursday, 19 December 2002 23:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Tom, I have a G4 and a PC sitting next to each other and I use a switch on my monitor to go back and forth. The PC cost half what the Mac did and the end result of work is the same for every Adobe or Macromedia program.

the mouse action on the Mac is better, but that's it.

why exactly, do you think the Mac is better for design?

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 19 December 2002 23:44 (twenty-two years ago)

why exactly, do you think the Mac is better for design?

the interface lends itself to freehand stuff better than the keystroke/pulldown jungle of the PC, or so I'm told.

If the PC users' contention is that the appearance & ease-of-use of the machine is a minor point at best, then PC = rock and Mac = pop.

― J0hn Darni3ll3 (J0hn Darni3ll3), Friday, 20 December 2002 01:12 (twenty-two years ago)

I've just been called a popist, have I?

No matter what Spencer argues, all I had to do was look at PvP Online and Penny Arcade to understand that PCs are perfectly capable. So y'r right, the difference is scant at best.

My one remaining argument, which I can only really back up with anecdotal evidence, is that Mac HW fails at a much lower rate than PC HW - in that case, at least, you still get what you pay for. My Macs have always outlasted the PCs of dozens of friends and roommates, and especially when used in abusive work environments, like college dorms or an AF training barracks.

I can't wait to get my hands on OS X.

― Tom Millar (Millar), Friday, 20 December 2002 01:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think ease-of-use is a minor point, but Mac users overstate the ease-of-use of the Mac, especially with WinXP (or really anything since Win98, probably). There are things about the Mac that will boggle me until the day I die, like the fact that throwing the removable media icons into the trashcan actually ejects it, not erases it.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Friday, 20 December 2002 01:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Macs are slightly better cheap pieces of shit than PCs. The nicest desktop case ever designed is Sun's "Aurora" case, used for the SparcStation 4, 5, and 20. (It's both really nice looking, and the easiest thing in the world to open up & maintain. Top pops off, *nothing* is in the way, SCA drives, etc.) The nicest case ever, not limiting yourself to the desktop is either the Thinking Machines CM-2A (smoked plexiglass pedistal that lifts its own cover off with internal motors when you tell it to. Very James Bond.) or pretty much any mainframe from the 60s, when everything had glass fronts so you could see the guts while it was running. And of course the Cray-2.

― Dave Fischer, Friday, 20 December 2002 01:49 (twenty-two years ago)

like the fact that throwing the removable media icons into the trashcan actually ejects it, not erases it.

FWIW, in OS X if you drag a media/server icon the trashcan turns into an eject icon. Or you can just control-click on it and get a contextual menu for ejecting.

Anyway, I've rattling elsewhere here about Macs so I'll shut up.

BTW, why the hell are you using LimeWire for Gnutella? Get Acquisition!

― Chris Barrus (xibalba), Friday, 20 December 2002 01:54 (twenty-two years ago)

One of the things I hate about GUI environments is click-and-dragging things. Will the original still be there? Who knows? Horrible.

― Dave Fischer, Friday, 20 December 2002 02:13 (twenty-two years ago)

'Ease of use' is a bit of a misnomer anyway; all it really indicates is how rapidly the uninitiated will achieve a level of comfort with a given OS. Coming from the standpoint of someone who places the utmost importance on customizability and breadth of options, I find it hard to believe that OSX is in any way superior.

Additionally: my iBook (running OSX) crashed with crushing frequency, exponentially more than any of the PCs (laptop, home or work) that run Windows 2000 or XP.

― mark p (Mark P), Friday, 20 December 2002 02:24 (twenty-two years ago)

One drawback so far is that you can't 'right-click' with the mouse, which makes it hard to download some things until I figure out the alternative.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 20 December 2002 04:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Control-click.

― Tom Millar (Millar), Friday, 20 December 2002 04:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Or just hold the mouse button down.

― Tom Millar (Millar), Friday, 20 December 2002 04:06 (twenty-two years ago)

"infinite" height menus = totally classic

― Jonathan Williams (ex machina), Friday, 20 December 2002 13:19 (twenty-two years ago)

A PC user that goes back to them should never have left - if your PC suits you - stay put. If you want aesthetically pleasing hardware and the most stable and reliable (not to mention best looking) OS then come on over and look at apple. My G4 tlks fine to my XP PC, it surfs the net fine with a Netgear RP114 router holding it all together on a bradband cable modem. The PC falls over almost daily - the mac's been on over a year (stopped to upgrade to the massively reliable and far better OSX 12.2.2 'jaguar' OS) and hasn't even burped yet.

(ps - you can get two button mice for macs - but why bother?)
(pps - I can go on forever about why Macs are better than PCs for designers if you'd like me to bore you all to death - and I'm a PC owner as well so it's not mere evangelism)

― Jonesy, Friday, 20 December 2002 14:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Jonsey, you're a tool.

― Jonathan Williams (ex machina), Friday, 20 December 2002 14:58 (twenty-two years ago)

No, my mac is a tool. Whereas you are a twat.

― Jonesy, Friday, 20 December 2002 15:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Back to work - thought there might be some debate here but I see it's more like an AOL chatroom for the pseuds. Bye.

― jonesy, Friday, 20 December 2002 15:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I use a PC at work (and yes, I'm a designer) and sure it's adequate. Crashes more than I'd like, but I get my work done. But at home I have a Mac, and of course I like it better. Hardware design yes. GUI yes. Ease of use yes. I guess I think it's just more *fun* to work on the Mac.

― Sean (Sean), Friday, 20 December 2002 15:03 (twenty-two years ago)

it's more like an AOL chatroom for the pseuds.

Ha, you should see ILM :)

― Sean (Sean), Friday, 20 December 2002 15:04 (twenty-two years ago)

AS A SYSADMIN AND IT DECISION MAKER I DECREE YOU TO BE A FOOL

― Jonathan Williams (ex machina), Friday, 20 December 2002 15:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Calm down, calm down

― A scouser (daveb), Friday, 20 December 2002 16:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Mac users who think Macs are the greatest thing ever for graphics just because they're better than PCs make me giggle.

― Dave Fischer, Friday, 20 December 2002 17:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Any given mac's monitor generally has better color reproduction than any random pc's

― Jonathan Williams (ex machina), Friday, 20 December 2002 17:30 (twenty-two years ago)

classic: owning a mac is like joining s cult. we're kinda like the stone cutters, only without an official song. hmmm.

― dyson (dyson), Friday, 20 December 2002 17:45 (twenty-two years ago)

ANYTHING is better than a PC! It's like saying a band is better than Creed.

― Dave Fischer, Friday, 20 December 2002 17:50 (twenty-two years ago)

I use a Mac at work and sure it's adequate. Crashes a lot more than I'd like, but I get my work done. But at home I have a PC, and of course I like it better. Hardware design yes. GUI yes. Ease of use yes. I guess I think it's just more *fun* to work on the PC.

― David (David), Friday, 20 December 2002 17:52 (twenty-two years ago)

zzzz

― geeta (geeta), Friday, 20 December 2002 17:55 (twenty-two years ago)

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i got a new ibook today, and got a rebate for the ipod mini i bought a few weeks ago.

so far the coolest thing about it is the "archive classic movies" widget for the dashboard. somehow i actually get more work done with old movies playing in the background (!).

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 05:03 (twenty years ago)

(the rebate is available to anyone who uses the education discount, btw.)

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 05:03 (twenty years ago)

i have a question.

when i'm downloading music using my browser now and the link loads up in the little quicktime window i used to be able to save the track, as you would, using "save as" or apple s onto my desktop before launching it into itunes but now when i go to save the file it either only saves the URL of the link or saves a tagged .mp3 icon which is usually 12kb in size and sometimes has a fraction of a second of music. can i change something in my settings to make sure it saves the complete .mp3 or uses the download window?

when i use a YSI link that has recently changed from a quckitime window to using the downloads window and launching the music directly into my itunes. why has this changed? (i prefer it this way and would rather it always did this on all sites).

thanks

― jed_ (jed), Saturday, 9 July 2005 00:30 (twenty years ago)

Have you upgraded Quicktime? Saving is a pro-only feature (there are plenty of serial numbers on Limewire).

If you want to get rid of the plugin so that music is downloaded, get rid of /Library/Internet Plug-ins/Quicktime.plugin -- but this means movies will also be downloaded.

― stet (stet), Saturday, 9 July 2005 00:36 (twenty years ago)

thanks - has saving only become a pro only feature since the last few quicktime upgrades?

― jed_ (jed), Saturday, 9 July 2005 00:43 (twenty years ago)

ordered my computer on the 2nd, 2-4 business days before shipping. Day four, still "sent to manufacturing," not even preparing for shipment. I didn't even do anything odd, just added a graphics card, bluetooth and airport.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Saturday, 9 July 2005 01:27 (twenty years ago)

Jed, if I'm reading that right, you need to back up a page in your browser and click-and-hold on the link to the mp3. Then "Save Link As..." and save it wherever. The saved file should be the full mp3 instead of a marker or alias.

― Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 9 July 2005 01:58 (twenty years ago)

rock, that doesn't seem to work (for me anyway) in quicktime 7. i used apple's reinstaller to go back to quicktime 6.5 and now i can save mp3's again :)

― jed_ (jed), Saturday, 9 July 2005 21:41 (twenty years ago)

Jeez, "Save link as" doesn't work for you? WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING MAN!

― no tech! (ex machina), Sunday, 10 July 2005 14:23 (twenty years ago)

Not using QT Pro?

― Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 10 July 2005 14:46 (twenty years ago)

-- Rock Hardy (crump...) (webmail), July 9th, 2005 10:58 PM. (Rock Hardy) (later) (link)

This has nothing to do with QT Pro. Also, there are s3r14l numb3rs out there for it. QT Pro should not exist, so I have no problems ripping them off to uncripple QT. I mean, fuck, I paid $1400 for my mac.

― no tech! (ex machina), Sunday, 10 July 2005 14:49 (twenty years ago)

I feel so validated.

― Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 10 July 2005 14:54 (twenty years ago)

RH, I was replying with snarkinss to Casuistry, not you -- if it was unclear.

― no tech! (ex machina), Sunday, 10 July 2005 14:57 (twenty years ago)

Understood.

― Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 10 July 2005 14:58 (twenty years ago)

Ok, not to be assuming you are stupid and wouldn't understand what I meant but uhhhhhh yea

― no tech! (ex machina), Sunday, 10 July 2005 15:00 (twenty years ago)

i don't see how saving files from a browser is a QT issue!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 10 July 2005 15:34 (twenty years ago)

Yea, I always just use the file menu.

― no tech! (ex machina), Sunday, 10 July 2005 15:46 (twenty years ago)

It's a QT issue because the plug-in allows you to save files directly from it when pro-enabled.

This is better than "save file as" and control-clicking on "save link to disk" because: a) It works on embedded files, b) you get to listen to the file first, c) you only have to download it once (if you click back and "save link", it'll download again)

― stet (stet), Sunday, 10 July 2005 16:16 (twenty years ago)

I haven't used Tiger/QT7/any of that new shit yet, but I seem to have read (and googling provides some backup) that Apple has disabled being able to save certain types of media (at least, once they've loaded). Streaming movies for sure, but I thought I'd heard that they'd made it so you can no longer save an mp3 that you've loaded in the browser. Again, I haven't done it myself, so I don't really know. But JW is right that QT Pro codes are so thoroughly available and it's so idiotic for Apple to hide the measly amount of functionality it provides that you might as well pirate it.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 10 July 2005 16:24 (twenty years ago)

(xpost OK I am not crazy.)

― Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 10 July 2005 16:24 (twenty years ago)

PS - If you guys need Cutey Prow, webmail my private address

― jay dubbya (ex machina), Sunday, 10 July 2005 16:28 (twenty years ago)

10.4.2 is out!

― no tech! (ex machina), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 23:19 (twenty years ago)

Apple to clear out current Mac minis, older G5s via 0verst0ck.com.

― Truckdrivin' Buddha (Rock Hardy), Friday, 22 July 2005 01:24 (twenty years ago)

new iBooks coming next week looks like, maybe widescreens.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Friday, 22 July 2005 01:44 (twenty years ago)

two months pass...

Finally bought my new Powerbook G4 on the weekend and have already fallen completely in love with it. I bought the 15-inch model and decided to upgrade to the 100 GB hard drive with 1 GB of RAM. I was already a fan of the Mac OS, but I'm really enjoying OS X. I just had a couple questions for other users. It seems to generate a fair amount of heat. Is this specific to the 100 GB hard drive, or is it a trait common to all Powerbooks? Also, I'm concerned about battery life. I've heard that there are some aftermarket batteries available which might provide extended life. Can anyone comment on this?

― J-rock (Julien Sandiford), Monday, 26 September 2005 02:33 (twenty years ago)

It seems to generate a fair amount of heat. Is this specific to the 100 GB hard drive, or is it a trait common to all Powerbooks?

It's common to any laptop that has a high-speed/capacity hard drive in it. Going full-bore on my PB, I notice that the CPU temperature hangs around 124degF and that seems to be pretty common.

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Monday, 26 September 2005 13:59 (twenty years ago)

I still haven't figured out how to do port-forwarding so we can get my parents' isight camera working. A.R.G.H. So we have this shiny webcam on our desks but can't frigging use it. Grrr.

― nathalie, a bum like you (stevie nixed), Monday, 26 September 2005 14:02 (twenty years ago)

portforward.com!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 26 September 2005 14:33 (twenty years ago)

two months pass...

is a $59.00 "compression-molded" laptop case worth it?

― vahid (vahid), Sunday, 25 December 2005 23:44 (nineteen years ago)

It doesn't look like much more than my $20 neoprene Tucano "Second Skin" sleeve.

― naus (Robert T), Monday, 26 December 2005 00:14 (nineteen years ago)

it doesn't look like it would provide much protection on the corners. it does look cool tho'.

― jed_ (jed), Monday, 26 December 2005 00:33 (nineteen years ago)

ohhh good call on the corners! that DOES look sort of suspect.

the tucano looks nice - can you open the laptop while keeping it in the sleeve? does it have any corner protection? is it pretty thick neoprene?

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 26 December 2005 00:46 (nineteen years ago)

No corner protection, really. I just use it to keep it from getting scuffed while it's in my nondescript messenger bag. And you can't keep it open while in the sleeve, although I wouldn't do that even if I could (powerbooks need air to circulate around it to dissipate heat).

― naus (Robert T), Monday, 26 December 2005 00:59 (nineteen years ago)

k thx you have saved me $60.

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 26 December 2005 01:13 (nineteen years ago)

Is it possible to use MPEG4 camera on an Apple laptop? Is it easy to play those videos or should my dad get another vid.cam?

― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Monday, 26 December 2005 09:55 (nineteen years ago)

MPEG4 playback is no problem with Quicktime. Editing is definately supported in FCE and FCP, not sure about iMovie though. it ought to be. Let me check.

― Ed (dali), Monday, 26 December 2005 10:01 (nineteen years ago)

iMovie supports MPEG-4 (simpel profile), which is the codec used by most of these small and light MPEG-4 recording cameras so you should be OK.

― Ed (dali), Monday, 26 December 2005 10:04 (nineteen years ago)

So if he'd get a Samsung Miniket (which has some uh... memory stick) it'd be no problem to transfer the movies to his laptop? I figured it'd be no problem; but the moron - sorry, salesperson - at the shop said it would be impossible.

― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Monday, 26 December 2005 10:08 (nineteen years ago)

hang on

― Ed (dali), Monday, 26 December 2005 10:09 (nineteen years ago)

Should be fine. It appears to work as a USB mass storage device which means it will appear on the desktop as a drive and you can copy files to and from the camera. The web cam function might not work though.

― Ed (dali), Monday, 26 December 2005 10:23 (nineteen years ago)

best thing to do is take the laptop down to the camera shop and try. Make sure Quicktime and iMovie are updated to latest verisons.

― Ed (dali), Monday, 26 December 2005 10:28 (nineteen years ago)

I've hardly used a PC since teh DOS was in bloom so maybe I'm just not accustomed to the Windows etc OS, but my parents' computer assumes that the user is an ABSOLUTE IDIOT. And not just the browswer, either, which is so loaded with buttons and big, colorful icons (and doesn't allow hardly ANY keyboard commands; I keep trying Ctl-Q, Ctl-W, etc and being refused) that there's hardly any room for the windows themselves -- it's the whole damn thing. Arrrrgh. Give me OSX and twice on Sundays.

― Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 00:22 (nineteen years ago)

At first I thought this thread said "Bernie Mac, C/D?" and I was disappointed when I clicked on it. : (

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 00:26 (nineteen years ago)

That's just Windows XP, Laurel. You can change it back to the "classic" pre-XP behaviour in most ways, though.

(Incidentally, if you were trying to quit with Ctrl+Q: the Windows keystroke for "quit" has, for some unknown historical reason, always been Alt+F4)

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 09:42 (nineteen years ago)

apple-Q == alt+f4 in win, no? (argh xpost!)

I have the complete opposite experience, Laurel, getting used to osx - I had my windows desktop all neat and tiny and tidy and knew where everything was and what keyboard commands would make what happen and it asked me nothing unnecessary-- and now I'm starting again from scratch. (seriously, at first I was like 'help, if f5 doesn't refresh, what does? oh apple you rely on mouse too much, bah!')

Is it important to get shock-absorbing type of case for eg a powerbook, or just something that'll keep it from scuffing? I am quite v worried about transporting the lovely thing.

― baby i'm waiting (cis), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 09:46 (nineteen years ago)

can someone tell me the name of that alternative .app to the apple DVD player that allows you to play multi region dvd's? i think N. mentioned it elsewhere but i can't find the name of it.

― jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 10:25 (nineteen years ago)

Jed, I think you can find the solution here.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mac-OSX/message/1415

http://www.peteashton.com/04/11/16/region_free_your_dvd.html

― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 11:43 (nineteen years ago)

Actually just go here: http://www.videolan.org/

― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 11:43 (nineteen years ago)

thanks Nathalie.

― jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 11:58 (nineteen years ago)

And not just the browswer, either, which is so loaded with buttons and big, colorful icons

you can change those; your parents probably chose the biggest ones. old people do that. :-)

― born-again christians in the old corral (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 12:29 (nineteen years ago)

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