ted bundy v. dahmer - FIGHT!

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who would win? watched both of those films last night - both done by the same production company - my two left feet. surprisingly, the dahmer film is more interesting than the bundy film. the bundy film had the required arty edits but the dahmer film was just a very strange weird film about sexual politics of a serial killer. almost staged and play like as one gay black male discusses life and what not to dahmer whilst dahmer thinks in flashbacks....

the bundy film was so violent, you know, you just had to laugh at some of the scenes....

has anyone seen either films?

doom-e, Sunday, 22 December 2002 19:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Peg.

Queen G (Queeng), Sunday, 22 December 2002 20:07 (twenty-two years ago)

I saw the poster for the Bundy film and was thinking of going but the review I read said it wasn't great. I remember seeing a TVM about Bundy many years ago and that one always stuck in my mind. It had this slightly disturbing Giorgio Moroder type synth pattern playing at various points, like when he was strolling through the crowd on the look-out for his next victim.

David (David), Sunday, 22 December 2002 20:56 (twenty-two years ago)

the bundy film isnt that great....i saw it advertised in england as well, the disco scene is pretty good - you kind of go...."hey it's ted bundy dancing..."...

doom-e, Monday, 23 December 2002 00:57 (twenty-two years ago)

three years pass...
Never seen any Bundy dramas, but I just rented "Dahmer" and was surprised how well-acted and, errrr, gay it is. To wit, I kinda totally understand where Ed Halter's 2002 Village Voice review is coming from:

"The only gay movie protagonist in recent years whom I've identified with is the titular antihero of David Jacobson's exceptional biopic Dahmer. Whether this reflects on the state of contemporary gay films or merely my own psychological shortcomings is debatable... Empathy for a cannibal is an uneasy proposition, but perhaps disgruntled gay outcasts will now discover their own twisted Jeffrey."

Whether the movie's implication of the audience outweighs the distorted 'discreet' murder scenes is somthing I haven't quite resolved.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 13 January 2006 14:44 (nineteen years ago)

ooo...such a hard choice! Dahmer's MO was a little more creative but Bundy seemed to be having a whole lot more fun being a sociopath what with the prison escapes and taking his spree right across the country. Neither were shooters, which is nice. Shooters are boring. I think Ted wins for his serial killer panache and Jeffrey wins for all the body parts in the fridge and on the stove. Both very cute too, no?

sunny successor (katharine), Friday, 13 January 2006 15:19 (nineteen years ago)

bundy is much more interesting, like somebody i cant remember said theres a pretty good chance he'd be holding some elected office today if not for the murders

$!@$!$!, Friday, 13 January 2006 15:21 (nineteen years ago)

Both very cute too

John Waters on Dahmer: "I'd jump in his stewpot anytime!"

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 13 January 2006 16:48 (nineteen years ago)

ihttp://www.newcriminologist.co.uk/uploads/dahmer(1).jpg

gear (gear), Friday, 13 January 2006 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.newcriminologist.co.uk/uploads/dahmer(1).jpg vs http://faithgambler.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/dahmer.jpg

Killers Kleanin' Up!

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 13 January 2006 18:00 (nineteen years ago)

Jeffrey Dahmer vs Ted Bundy:

http://homepage.mac.com/dbudde/.Pictures/ownedcatfight8sb.gif

BUNDY WINS!

Dan (Proved By Science) Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 13 January 2006 18:04 (nineteen years ago)

hahahahaha

sunny successor (katharine), Friday, 13 January 2006 18:43 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.mugshots.com/IMAGES/P__Ted-Bundy-wanted.jpg

HAKKEBOFFER (eman), Friday, 13 January 2006 19:07 (nineteen years ago)

real winner is TEH Z0D!AC K!LL3R

HAKKEBOFFER (eman), Friday, 13 January 2006 19:08 (nineteen years ago)

no. zodiac killer was a shooter and therefore disqualified. you cant expect to win a serial killer competition by following murder to the letter without embracing the spirit of killing fo fun.

sunny successor (katharine), Friday, 13 January 2006 19:44 (nineteen years ago)

I still argue that one can shoot for fun.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 13 January 2006 19:47 (nineteen years ago)

its not killing for fun, though

sunny successor (katharine), Friday, 13 January 2006 19:56 (nineteen years ago)

INterest in serial killers...so early 90s.

paulhw (paulhw), Friday, 13 January 2006 20:42 (nineteen years ago)

So no one's seen Dahmer? Just freshly-dead musical icon biopics for you?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 13 January 2006 20:49 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, ive seen it. i hated it.

sunny successor (katharine), Friday, 13 January 2006 20:51 (nineteen years ago)

people named Paul....so 1980s

sunny successor (katharine), Friday, 13 January 2006 20:51 (nineteen years ago)

Where does BTK fit in all this?

nickn (nickn), Friday, 13 January 2006 20:55 (nineteen years ago)

owns same glasses as dahmer

sunny successor (katharine), Friday, 13 January 2006 20:59 (nineteen years ago)

Poseur. Dahmer never wanted to be a star.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 13 January 2006 21:02 (nineteen years ago)

Where does BTK fit in all this?

http://moneycentral.communities.msn.com/_Secure/0RgDdAsMU9NQT7gGP9ebedzgvSjbtTFlEKxTEl6kYOmLYYTnc8vWNJ*83oZnrIv8ke*cRgdvxYP!w8FLyemM0Ly1sCuuDFhVY0lCTA5KwsZs/b2k11.bmp?dc=4675399109674347833

Dan ("Yeah, What About Us?") Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 13 January 2006 21:04 (nineteen years ago)

David Fincher's Zodiac movie out this year

adamrl (nordicskilla), Friday, 13 January 2006 21:04 (nineteen years ago)

in the hands of bundy, even a pool skimmer became a weapon
http://scullyverusha.tripod.com/050489e0.jpg

literalisp (literalisp), Friday, 13 January 2006 21:37 (nineteen years ago)

legend has it he was still deadlier with a can of coors light

literalisp (literalisp), Friday, 13 January 2006 21:37 (nineteen years ago)

actually ted had an obsession with tube socks. he liked to where a brand new pair every day

sunny successor (katharine), Friday, 13 January 2006 21:52 (nineteen years ago)

Wow. Him and Anthony Kiedis.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 13 January 2006 21:57 (nineteen years ago)

i think kiedis just reused, actually

sunny successor (katharine), Friday, 13 January 2006 22:12 (nineteen years ago)

Probably didn't even use the complete pair.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 13 January 2006 23:31 (nineteen years ago)

no. zodiac killer was a shooter and therefore disqualified. you cant expect to win a serial killer competition by following murder to the letter without embracing the spirit of killing fo fun.

-- sunny successor (gangsta...), January 13th, 2006 2:44 PM. (katharine)

zodiac was not a shooter, and taunted police and the press and never, repeat NEVER, got caught = TEH WINNER!!!11one! LOCK THREAD BAN KATHARINE DELETE ILX!@###!

HAKKEBOFFER (eman), Saturday, 14 January 2006 00:35 (nineteen years ago)

Rickson beats both by armbar. Then he heel hooks Richard Ramirez.

Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Saturday, 14 January 2006 06:23 (nineteen years ago)

whose name is paul?

jaymc (jaymc), Saturday, 14 January 2006 07:15 (nineteen years ago)

yeah he did stab the first girl. a promising start but i think you'll find the subsequent 4 or so were shootings. serial killers are supposed to have an MO. killing different types of people in different ways just takes the serial right out of serial killer. HE LOSES. i mean killing parked couples?? what is this? a 1980s teen horror movie. please. boring! and saying youre a serial killer with a gun is like saying youre in a band and play keyboards. its technically true but, man, how embarrassing!

xxpost

sunny successor (katharine), Saturday, 14 January 2006 14:31 (nineteen years ago)

six years pass...

http://www.derfcity.com/images/store/MFDfinalcov_sm.jpg

This book was amazing/totally disturbing.
In one part, the author/high school kids/high school Dahmer are on a school trip to DC. Dahmer calls a White House aide and convinces him or her to let them meet and visit Walter Mondale!

Abarham Lincoln posing (Abbbottt), Friday, 9 March 2012 23:04 (thirteen years ago)

I can't see that pic on my work computer, what is the book yr reading?

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 9 March 2012 23:05 (thirteen years ago)

Sorry, it's My Friend Dahmer by Derf Backderf, autobio graphic novel about being a high school friend of Jeffrey Dahmer.

Abarham Lincoln posing (Abbbottt), Friday, 9 March 2012 23:06 (thirteen years ago)

The author and his friend had a "Dahmer Fan Club" in which they celebrated (in a jerky high school kid kind of way) Dahmer's oddities. It's crazy seeing yearbook drawings & c. the author did sneaking Dahmer into them back in the late '70s before any of the killing happened.

Abarham Lincoln posing (Abbbottt), Friday, 9 March 2012 23:08 (thirteen years ago)

whoa

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 9 March 2012 23:21 (thirteen years ago)

Derf! Local Cleveland cartoonist hero. His strip "The City" ran in Cleveland SCENE for decades and was always amazing. And yeah, that book is great.

the Hilary Clinton of Ghostface Killahs (Phil D.), Saturday, 10 March 2012 00:50 (thirteen years ago)

City still running and defs my faves comic in the local weekly. They're impossible to describe and have any of the impact translate, though. "It was a guy singing 'All Night Long' at a bus station....just trust me, it was funny."

Abarham Lincoln posing (Abbbottt), Saturday, 10 March 2012 01:05 (thirteen years ago)

I'm sure you know, sorry to sound like I'm trying to school you.

Abarham Lincoln posing (Abbbottt), Saturday, 10 March 2012 01:05 (thirteen years ago)

No worries, it's nice to know he continues to have an impact! I wonder if iatee has seen this strip, he'd be a big fan of "White Middle-Class Suburban Man."

http://www.wikiality.net/images/9/9a/Derf.City.20110606.Free_Market_Fairy.White_Middle_Class_Suburban_Man.teabagger_teaparty_crap_money_poop_believe_union_America_USA.jpg

the Hilary Clinton of Ghostface Killahs (Phil D.), Saturday, 10 March 2012 12:42 (thirteen years ago)

five years pass...

"My Friend Dahmer" trailer dropped at Comic-Con this weekend. This looks like it's actually going to be pretty good. Maybe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VX8ajObK81A

Old Lynch's Sex Paragraph (Phil D.), Monday, 24 July 2017 14:24 (seven years ago)

i feel like 'based on the best-selling graphic novel by derf backderf' is going to be a confusing title card for the uninitiated

crazed with patience (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 24 July 2017 14:26 (seven years ago)

three months pass...

Cracked.com has an interview up today with a woman who was raped by Ted Bundy but escaped.

http://www.cracked.com/personal-experiences-2547-i-was-nearly-murdered-by-world-famous-serial-killer.html

Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Wednesday, 25 October 2017 13:19 (seven years ago)

one year passes...

when i was growing up reading about Bundy i feel like the nature of his crimes was really downplayed in favor of the con artistry he used to lure these young women and girls, coupled with his good looks. they almost played him up like a charming strangler type. it wasn't until years later i learned about the actual depravity of his crimes, the necrophilia and torture and sadism. Not to mention the absolute staggering nature of his last murders, post-escape, this out-of-control guy just terrorizing and brutalizing an entire community of women over the course of a single month.

omar little, Thursday, 24 January 2019 00:19 (six years ago)

yeah, every now and then i end up reading one of these dudes' wikipedia entries late at night (bad idea btw) and bundy's was by far the most surreal and unbelievable one.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 24 January 2019 00:52 (six years ago)

he was a monster, in every sense of the word

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 24 January 2019 01:32 (six years ago)

I just never made time for Dahmer, that's just too gross. And it's always the ones who do their business inside who are the most bonkers. I'm more interested in the ones who are high-functioning and out and about, like Bundy - the egomania involved is fascinating to me. For some reason, I've always had this fascination with people who dump bodies in nature. I think it's because I grew up down the street from a forest preserve and sometimes they would find bodies in there.

it's a knick knack paddy whack give the dog a bone (I M Losted), Thursday, 24 January 2019 01:42 (six years ago)

Thought the revive was about this new documentary (I think it's new, not just new for my area)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLJs55ghKyo

Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 24 January 2019 09:52 (six years ago)

Also today is the 30th anniversary of his execution.

Right column Leftist (sunny successor), Thursday, 24 January 2019 14:38 (six years ago)

rip big man

“I'm the sexy gorilla and I'm going to hell“ (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 24 January 2019 14:54 (six years ago)

I lived in FL at the time and my radio station of choice encouraged listeners to turn off all of their electric devices before they threw the switch so that there was a surplus of juice to zap him with. Not sure that's how the grid or electric chairs work but okay.

E Pluripubis Unum (Old Lunch), Thursday, 24 January 2019 15:16 (six years ago)

next time someone is gonna get fried try a reverse version of that experiment by wiring up a thousand kettles in series, although getting them all to boil at the same time might be a pisser!

calzino, Thursday, 24 January 2019 15:31 (six years ago)

I remember it being a big deal at the time. "Tuesday is FryDay"

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 24 January 2019 17:07 (six years ago)

this particular detail stood out to me as being vv creepy:

In the late afternoon of November 8, Bundy approached 18-year-old telephone operator Carol DaRonch at Fashion Place Mall in Murray,[126] less than a mile from the Midvale restaurant where Melissa Smith was last seen. He identified himself as "Officer Roseland" of the Murray Police Department and told DaRonch that someone had attempted to break into her car. He asked her to accompany him to the station to file a complaint. When DaRonch pointed out to Bundy that he was driving on a road that did not lead to the police station, he immediately pulled to the shoulder and attempted to handcuff her. During their struggle, he inadvertently fastened both handcuffs to the same wrist, and DaRonch was able to open the car door and escape.[127] Later that evening, Debra Jean Kent, a 17-year-old student at Viewmont High School in Bountiful, twenty miles (30 km) north of Murray, disappeared after leaving a theater production at the school to pick up her brother.[128] The school's drama teacher and a student told police that "a stranger" had asked each of them to come out to the parking lot to identify a car. Another student later saw the same man pacing in the rear of the auditorium, and the drama teacher spotted him again shortly before the end of the play.[129] Outside the auditorium, investigators found a key that unlocked the handcuffs removed from Carol DaRonch's wrist.[130]

omar little, Thursday, 24 January 2019 17:15 (six years ago)

re: omar's 'charming strangler' post
the fetishization of serial killers is really widespread and disturbing, and bundy is a textbook example of how people can turn one of the most evil people ever to walk the earth into like a romantic folk anti-hero or something... as fascinated as I am by serial killers, it really bothers me the way that they are often talked/written about. last podcast on the left always does this, I mean I know it's a comedy podcast about morbidity but they really love to make serial killers sound cool. also they rarely give victims any agency or respect when they tell stories, which really rubs me the wrong way. this is a really pervasive thing throughout serial killer media

boobie, Thursday, 24 January 2019 17:34 (six years ago)

Agreed. I always think of this individual when I read about the public fascination with serial killers.

http://www.sfweekly.com/news/killer-groupie-samantha-spiegel/

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 24 January 2019 17:49 (six years ago)

Yeah but this has been going on forever (see people wearing bundy t-shirts and misleading the police after he escaped from that colorado prison) but I think its like a mindset that comes out of being new to true crime. I'm not sure why it happens but its pretty common.

Right column Leftist (sunny successor), Thursday, 24 January 2019 18:02 (six years ago)

well this looks terrible

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v38MNmDcgrM

Number None, Saturday, 26 January 2019 17:28 (six years ago)

it really does

conrad, Saturday, 26 January 2019 17:40 (six years ago)

I think it look promising. I’m excited to see it for sure.

Right column Leftist (sunny successor), Saturday, 26 January 2019 19:18 (six years ago)

A yahoo story I clicked past mentioned how Zac Efron “slayed them at Sundance.”

omar little, Saturday, 26 January 2019 19:26 (six years ago)

next time someone is gonna get fried try a reverse version of that experiment by wiring up a thousand kettles in series, although getting them all to boil at the same time might be a pisser!

― calzino

lol at the idea that anybody in america owns a kettle

The Elvis of Nationalism and Amoral Patriotism (rushomancy), Saturday, 26 January 2019 19:50 (six years ago)


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