Taking Sides: Free State v. Republic!

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AKA "The Treaty - classic or dud".

Surely someone cares about the civil war on which Ireland's political party system is still based?

― DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 17:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, people round where you work. Why don't you ask them? Because you can't handle the truth!

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 17:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Qualified victory versus total defeat - seems like a bit of a no-brainer to me. As does not voting for a load of corrupt, ineffective fools. Sadly the world doesn't work this way. This is why all systems of government other than Me as Dicatator of the World are dud.

― tigerclawskank, Thursday, 9 January 2003 12:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Hasn't history proved Collins + co right? Ireland did eventually become independent, except the six counties. Partition spared the new Free State from a far more dangerous and deep-seated conflict than the civil war.

80 years later the former 'Free State' is increasingly prosperous + peaceful whilst the North, bloody, battered and economically bankrupt, is still struggling towards a political settlement.

― stevo (stevo), Thursday, 9 January 2003 12:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Vicar: we had a thread ages ago where I asked why we didn't have a thread on this. I guess now we do.

I guess I have to say the Treaty = Classic, though presumably part of the point is recognizing and accepting its failure to attain the extreme status of Classic or Dud. Total defeat would be Dud, Achieved Republic would have been Classic... right?

― the pinefox, Thursday, 9 January 2003 16:16 (twenty-two years ago)

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