dating shows just got more gross

Message Bookmarked
Bookmark Removed
found casting calls. note the requirement for males that is not a requirement for females. also note that only one male will be cast, as opposed to 20 females ... uh.

Hey guys, FastDater is pleased to forward this information to anyone who might be interested in this. Contact information is below. PLEASE DO NOT respond to this e- mail as it will not be recognized. SEE BELOW.
ARE YOU READY TO BE ON NBC’S NEWEST REALITY TV SHOW?
TENNER PASKAL & RUDNICKE CASTING IS LOOKING FOR ATTRACTIVE
SINGLE MEN & WOMEN TO AUDITION FOR NBC’S NEWEST TV REALITY SHOW
“AROUND THE WORLD IN 80 DATES”

*The premise of the show is one lucky eligible man will travel around the world on a private jet in order to meet the love of his life. His journey will begin in New York City. There he will meet 20 fabulous single women from around the United States. He will select several American women to continue on the journey with him as he travels to other romantic international cities. In each local he will be introduced to other women who will compete for his love. Five finalists of his choosing will return to the states with him for a final decision and they will share Prize money as they continue their relationship.

IN ORDER TO AUDITION YOU MUST:
-BE SINGLE
-BE ATTRACTIVE, INTELLIGENT, FUN-LOVING & ADVENTUROUS
-BE AVAILABLE TO TRAVEL IN MARCH
-NOT BE AFRAID OF FLYING
-BE LOOKING TO MEET YOUR TRUE LOVE
MEN SHOULD BE 26-34 YRS OLD & CAUCASIAN
AND
WOMEN SHOULD BE 21-34 YRS OLD & ANY ETHNICITY
Those interested should bring a non-returnable picture.
AUDITIONS WILL BE HELD ON SATURDAY, JAN. 11TH
AT TENNER PASKAL & RUDNICKE CASTING
20 W. Hubbard, Suite 2E
FROM 10AM TO 4PM.
No appointments will be scheduled. It’s first come, first served.
Please be prepared to wait.
FOR MORE INFORMATION, PLEASE CALL 312-527-0665

maura (maura), Thursday, 9 January 2003 04:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I hate flying and I hate fun. Oh well.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 9 January 2003 04:34 (twenty-two years ago)

but do you like sex tourism? that seems to be what this show is after

maura (maura), Thursday, 9 January 2003 04:55 (twenty-two years ago)

sex tourism is totally different maura -- that's where you go to ONE spot with cheap hookers, not all over the place.

This is more exoticism & depending on the cities maybe orientalism.

Granted the premise is pretty explicit in the casting call, but could IMAGINE a black dude ever getting cast in this?

Maura: what do you think of X-Treme Dating & do you think shows which have guys and girls with different roles/setups/etc. (aka x-treme & others) are better or worse?

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 9 January 2003 05:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Also yes, ew.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 9 January 2003 05:04 (twenty-two years ago)

I haven't seen X-Treme Dating. I loathe "Dismissed" but I think that's because of the implicit "put out to win" message -- I don't know what other shows you're thinking of in terms of roles and setups, Shipmates maybe?

What bothered me here really is the whole "one white male" idea that this show's gunning for from the start, although you're right - if a black male was cast southern affiliates would be in an uproar.

sigh.

maura (maura), Thursday, 9 January 2003 05:12 (twenty-two years ago)

what the fuck?
can they actually legally get away with specifying that the guy has to be white?

robin (robin), Thursday, 9 January 2003 05:38 (twenty-two years ago)

It's an audition, they can specify that he's hunchbacked and bucktoothed if they want (oh wait, that's The Real Beverly Hillbillies, one of the other dodgy reality shows...)

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 9 January 2003 05:53 (twenty-two years ago)

also there's the bachelor type & bachelorettes type & is dismissed like Elimidate?

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 9 January 2003 06:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Shipmates seems even actually, except that real-world gender dynamics take over anyway & make the guys the courters and the gals the courtees regardless.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 9 January 2003 06:22 (twenty-two years ago)

why can they specify though?
is it not blatantly racist?

robin (robin), Thursday, 9 January 2003 06:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Racism is not illegal.

Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 9 January 2003 06:35 (twenty-two years ago)

It's not really considered racism in an audition context, or at least not actionably discriminatory racism. I mean, if you're casting for a sitcom and it's a star vehicle for Julia Roberts, let's say, you're not going to cast a black man as her brother if the character is a biological relative. If you want her to have a wacky blonde best friend, you ask for blondes. If you want her to have a sassy black best friend, you audition black women. Etc. Casting calls specify those sorts of things all the time.

This is a reality show, granted, not a sitcom -- but it's still an audition, so if there are legal protections for such, they'd apply; and if not, I'm sure it falls under the "it isn't discrimination if the variable affects job performance" exceptions, and with television like this, appearance certainly affects "job performance."

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 9 January 2003 06:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm watching Elimidate. Talk about gross -- the girl has to choose between a venture capitalist, an IT asshole, and a personal trainer. (Actually the personal trainer is the best candidate.)

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 9 January 2003 06:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I've never seen an elimidate with a gal -- only with a guy and a buncha gals.

How's the dynamic different? The girls are clearly forced into put-out mode. Are the guys forced to be all "look how financially sound i am and what a provider i can be" or do they play up their sense of humor or what? Are they hella competative? Do they play up their physical endowments to the point of embaressing their date?

(haha jody also I am an IT guy FOR venture capitalists -- worst of all worlds!!!)

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 9 January 2003 07:15 (twenty-two years ago)

*putting on my lawyer hat* I don't think that it's at all clear that what they're doing isn't illegal discrimination. This isn't at all settled law, and I'm not sure that a non-white applicant who otherwise fits all requirements would be laughed out of a civil rights lawyer's office -- quite the contrary. *takes hat off and flings it across the room*

Colin Meeder (Mert), Thursday, 9 January 2003 09:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Did a quick Google, and from a Senate bill report at http://www.leg.wa.gov/pub/billinfo/1997-98/initiatives/200-224/initiative_200_sbr_020298.txt -- "Discrimination for undercover police activities and casting for films or theater is allowed." Presumably "films" includes television. I don't know if the bill in which this appears passed or not, but it must be talking about extant allowances, since the bill itself is concerned with discrimination by public agencies.

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 9 January 2003 09:35 (twenty-two years ago)

What about lonely hearts adverts?

N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 9 January 2003 09:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Tep, what does the state of Washington have to do with anything?

Colin Meeder (Mert), Thursday, 9 January 2003 10:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh yeah, it is the state of Washington, isn't it? :) That's what I get for Googling after dark. Not much, then, necessarily. But I'd bet a stack of Bibles their exceptions aren't unique to them. Like I said, it's common practice, and has been for, what, a century now. You sort of have to figure it's come up before and the law's reflected things one way or the other.

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 9 January 2003 16:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Reality shows are new, Tep. It's not necessarily come up before -- otherwise why did the folks of Washington see the need for a new law?

Colin Meeder (Mert), Thursday, 9 January 2003 16:20 (twenty-two years ago)

How's the dynamic different? The girls are clearly forced into put-out mode. Are the guys forced to be all "look how financially sound i am and what a provider i can be" or do they play up their sense of humor or what? Are they hella competative? Do they play up their physical endowments to the point of embaressing their date?

It was exactly like that -- the men were fighting over their tattoos, muscles, and bank accounts, and the woman just sat there, composed and beautiful.

I thought the woman was sort of an asshole too at first (the date was set in Williamsburg, and she was aloof and modelesque), but then I realized what she was doing. She said at the beginning that she wasn't looking for a relationship, just someone fun to kiss. And I think that's why she never once stepped in to intervene when the men made asses of themselves (taking off their clothes to prove their manhood). Since she had nothing at stake, she probably found the whole situation a total riot!

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 9 January 2003 17:41 (twenty-two years ago)

The law in question's got nothing to do with reality shows per se, though, Colin -- it's about public agencies. It mentions the film exception simply to explicitly show that the existing exceptions aren't changed. And it's five years old (of course, reality shows are older than that, just newly popular, with new variants).

But hell, when it comes to the law ... if all it came down to was "the law does or does not say this," lawyers wouldn't have much to do. That's why I didn't disagree with you that a civil rights lawyer wouldn't turn them away -- I'm just pointing out that the show has an adequate defense. And whether or not the law permits them to do it, I don't think they -should-. But I think it says more about their viewership -- or their perception of their viewership -- than it does them.

I mean, they're not excluding black guys because they hate them, I have to assume. They're doing it because they think people won't want to watch. And worse than that, they might be right.

Lonely hearts adverts, though -- that's the same as personals, or no? There are no legal protections there as far as I know or can imagine, any more than there's a law that says you can't refuse to date someone because of their race (or gender, or religious background, or shoe size, or etc.)

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 9 January 2003 20:03 (twenty-two years ago)

I am hoping that Mary & Felicity's trip to London is something along these lines, that the hottest young ILXers will be accompanying them as they continue on a world tour. (As the least hot and oldest, I shall commentate.)

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 9 January 2003 20:21 (twenty-two years ago)

If he has to be white, can't they just hire an ethnic man and use those fancy shmancy computer technologies to make him look white? I'm just kidding of course. What about if you're very light-skinned but half asian? That shit is weird.

Sarah McLusky (coco), Thursday, 9 January 2003 20:26 (twenty-two years ago)

I hope they end up with Michael Jackson.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 9 January 2003 23:22 (twenty-two years ago)


You must be logged in to post. Please either login here, or if you are not registered, you may register here.