A Fortnight Of ILE (Please read)

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No, not an endurance test, rather:
ILE has been up and running for two weeks now, and I'd like some feedback, please. Any compliments/complaints/suggestions, post them up here. Thank you.

― DG, Friday, 22 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I think it's lovely, DG, and vast amounts of fun, I don't know what I did with my days before it existed! And, for such a free-for-all forum, surprisingly *polite* and *friendly*. I didn't think anarchy could produce such results in any place except a Crass fan's imagination. Right on, dude!

Erm... only suggestion I could make is, it's getting rather big and taking a long time to load in my puny Netscape 3 and sad BT connection. Can we maybe start to archive threads which haven't seen recent action? I know this is going to be practically impossible, given the free-formness of the board, and the way threads mutate into other subjects (which is actually what makes this board so fun... a topic which claims to be about name-dropping actually becomes a discussion of eyebrow shaping. KEWL!!!) but maybe if we could have some obvious "movies" or "literature" or "drinking" or "random englishness" archives, it might help my poor browser?

But other than that, no, it's lovely!

― masonic boom, Friday, 22 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

It's my (new) wife and it's my (new) life.

― mark s, Friday, 22 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Duh, hello, pff, it's great. I've totally shagged reading anything else on line, I don't even update my own webpage anymore (though the fact that my MOM found my website might have something to do with that).

― Ally, Friday, 22 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

It's good, I like it...

― james e l, Friday, 22 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

you already know everyone loves it, you just want us to say it again ;)

― gareth, Friday, 22 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I love it. It's great fun.

― Robin Carmody, Friday, 22 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Well, true to an extent, I want to make sure it's still popular and not just fun for five minutes. I'll start sorting out the threads over the next couple of days, so it'll all be neat and tidy soon.

― DG, Friday, 22 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Well, hey, now. Looking for positive reinforcement is never a bad thing.

But I'm grateful for this lovely forum, home to all things, all smart (in their own way), all the time. Any place where you can deliberate on sexual mores and sidekicks is boss in my book.

― David Raposa, Friday, 22 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

EveRYBODY iN THIS BiTcH LIkES ILE!!!!

― Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Friday, 22 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

yeah, its fun. usually lurk, only found the 'old people:classic or dud' dud, think i'll stick around.

― stevo, Friday, 22 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Good good, but is there anyway to improve it?

― DG, Friday, 22 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

More porn.

― Ally, Friday, 22 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

What? You're telling me that this wasn't enough for ya?

Boy, you kids today, with your rock music and your drugs...

― David Raposa, Friday, 22 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Okay, fine, no porn.

More Manics.

― Ally, Friday, 22 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Doesn't have the same ring as I-L-M. I'd have gone for I-L-N-M - I Love Non Music

― K-reg, Friday, 22 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The War Against Chuckleheads

Actually, I think that's a great name for any site.

― Nicole, Friday, 22 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

ILE's brilliant. It's a laugh.

― Michael, Friday, 22 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

it's only been TWO WEEKS? that seems unbelievable.

― duane, Friday, 22 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

It's the water cooler for a new generation

― Geoff, Friday, 22 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I've found that I've actually defected from ILM - temorarily at least - too much talk about one subject is way nerdish. God forbid that I ever act like a nerd. Man.

(Britney logo pocket protectors rule)

― Kim, Friday, 22 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

yeah, its fun. usually lurk, only found the 'old people:classic or dud' dud

why am i getting this creepy feeling that there's people in this room that maybe think i was trying to be ironic or something about that 'old people' shit? say it ain't so!

― duane, Saturday, 23 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'm finally comfortable with the split, if only just. I will forever grouse about the need for it, mind you -- in my fantasy, ILE fully incorporates ILM and everything is up for grabs, and those who don't like it can take a hike. For all that the reason for the original board's existence to begin with was FT, the now increasingly hardened split between 'music discussion' and 'everything else discussion' is ultimately a bogus one. We do not live our lives like that unless we in fact *have* no lives, and both a.m.a. and other channels saw no such distinction. I wish greenspun.com would allow an individual user to combine forums into a personalized combination board -- that would be sweet. I wonder if the programming would be that hard? *ponders*

As it is, essentially being away for two weeks was probably a good thing, along the same lines as forcing myself away from the Net as a whole, which I do every few months as a regular detox.

― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 23 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Sadly Ned, and I *really* don't mean to be rude, but this lack of need for a second board does only appear to exist in your head. As you can see, and as I've experienced off the net, there is overwhelming popular support for this board - can you imagine the fuss that would have been made had all these threads popped up on ILM? Obviously everyone would have been too polite to properly moan, but I'm sure there would have been many a sideways comment had [insert random CoD thread here] changed into a discussion on horror films, say. As these boards spun off from a music site (well done on the re-launch, by the way) it makes sense that the bias should be towards music, hence a whole forum dedicated solely to that. My personal view of the relationship between the two would be something like ILM=university lecture, in that it is one subject that takes up a lot of time and mental energy, and ILE=the pub/bar you all slink off to afterwards to chat about life and general nonsense.

― DG, Saturday, 23 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

ILM always talked about other things than music anyway. Too many people came in who thought it should only be about music. The threads about Blue Lines subjects, computer games, etc. were always the best anyway. I don't really read it now. Until they put a big picture of Trans Am or Cave In up on the front page I just can't take them seriously. Ned's right but I prefer it this way - gets rid of all the distracting music talk.

― Greg, Sunday, 24 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Believe me, DG, I'm well aware I seem to be the only crab in this regard, and it's precisely because I seem to be alone that I sound even more frustrated and out of sorts. This is not an individualistic stance I'm particularly proud of, largely because I'm having a hard time articulating it. I'm not too sure why I feel this way myself, but I do feel it, for better or for worse, likely for worse. While I like your comparison of the boards' individual styles, I'd say it implies that ILM can never be fun and ILE can never be serious. My ultimate view of criticism and discussion is that it can be both, if you let it.

Thanks for the kind words on FT, in any event! I do appreciate it, though Tom and Mike really deserve the lion's share of the credit.

― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 24 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

A bit of noise is needed to spice up any signal, for sure, and ILM did lose a bit of its vim straight after the split. But it's proportionate - also, and this is important, the format affects the content. Reading a.m.a. on FreeAgent, for instance, you could see when a thread had spun from polylogue into dialogue, because there would be a huge visual arc of posts between Jack and Persi. That isn't the case on Greenspun, so two-person dialogues are much more destructive of polylogue.

Actually the ILM survey showed about a one-third/two-third split in favour of a new forum, so you can't be alone, Ned!!

ILM I should hope is nothing like a university lecture!

― Tom, Sunday, 24 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Apropos of nothing, I have found just now that a good way to relieve a grousy mood is to play _Temple Stone_ by Ghost. Sheer heaven.

― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 24 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

In a theoretical sense, no the boards should not be split, because I see no reason for ANYTHING to be focused on one subject. It's boring and it gets played out til people start grasping for straws, and when they don't grasp for straws and - GASP - write about something already talked about 8 months ago, some pedant comes round and bitches "Well, we talked about that already, go read it". It's rude and ridiculous and there's just only so much you can say about one subject, and I don't see anything wrong with the idea that a message board should compass multiple subjects.

UNFORTUNATELY, having a name like I Love Music (and yes, I understand the point of the name, no one go on about I Hate Music, thank you) brings total pedants to the board, people who really do only talk about one frigging subject. Which is great, fantastic, but those people are going to have attitudes towards people who "take over" their board with sideways discussion. So yes, this makes it much easier, it loses the pedantry and topic nazis.

I do also see the irony in the fact that quite a few of the more prolific posters on THIS board are, indeed, the core group, i.e. the people who "founded" and started first, on ILM. So who's taking over whom?

― Ally, Sunday, 24 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

It actually occurred to me that, after all, since there's no reason in the world *not* to post music threads on this board anyway... ;-)

― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 24 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

the only bad thing, as far as i can see, is the amount of time it all takes up, and thats not really a bad thing at all, but i *have* to read everything

ILM started off as a music thing obviously, and you get all this non- topic stuff (which is great obviously). i would have been happy with it on ILM, but there are so many threads things would get lost and finished with before they'd started.

so, i like that fact that things have got seperated out, and with many people posting on both boards the character of both should remain (think i'm probably a top20 poster on both boards?)

there is the danger of over-zealous pedants arriving on the ILM board, which is less likely on ILE? already had a couple persistant trolls (is that right word?) on ILM plus many occasionals, but none yet on ILE (music tends to invite pedantry than everything?)

anyway, as i said before, ILE rules, 2 boards a success...

― gareth, Monday, 25 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

What I like about it its complete lack of (explicit) agenda. It's the inverse of all that internet discussion forums are supposed to be about. It's like Jerry and George pitching their sitcom idea to the network executives ("What's the show about?" "Nothing" "A show about nothing?" "Yes")

― Nick, Monday, 25 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

three weeks pass...

Can someone please talk more about Tuna Melts?(and haddock!!)

― Mike Hanle y, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

two years pass...

hahahahahahaha who knew I was talking of Dastoor.

― allyzay, Wednesday, 16 June 2004 03:04 (twenty-one years ago)

While I like your comparison of the boards' individual styles, I'd say it implies that ILM can never be fun and ILE can never be serious.

hmm...

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 04:30 (twenty-one years ago)

This is a rather curious thread...

― Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 04:39 (twenty-one years ago)

ten months pass...

-- allyzay (ohm...), June 16th, 2004.

hahaha!

― jed_ (jed), Sunday, 15 May 2005 13:27 (twenty years ago)

For all that the reason for the original board's existence to begin with was FT, the now increasingly hardened split between 'music discussion' and 'everything else discussion' is ultimately a bogus one.

NOISE BOARD HAS SHOWN US THE WAY FORWARD

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 15 May 2005 15:30 (twenty years ago)

two years pass...

keep up the good work, everybody!

― gershy, Friday, 23 November 2007 03:45 (eighteen years ago)

only suggestion I could make is, it's getting rather big and taking a long time to load in my puny Netscape 3 and sad BT connection.

When old-ILE starts sounding like archived Usenet threads....

― Pleasant Plains, Friday, 23 November 2007 04:58 (eighteen years ago)

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