Christopher Hitchens votes for Bush

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and thinks Clinton was a plant.

Among other things, a recent Doublethink Article has provens his final flight from all things left.

is he his own man- ferretting out bullshit wherever he finds it,, are his concerns about "theocratic terror" legit, or is he a quisling who enjoys easy power ?

anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 13:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Have read a bit about him but nothing actually by him. would def like to read a rant against mother theresa.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 15:32 (twenty-two years ago)

If he voted for Bush (how do we know this?), that's his business. Rants against Mother Theresa (sp?) and Kissinger = classic, feuds with Cockburn/Chomsky/Amis = a bit tiresome (their fault as much as his), obsession with Clinton = really a bit creepy (No One Left To Lie To is pure Albert Goldman in some of its rancid speculation on Bill's, erm, potency). Quite as capable of being an unfair hack as a brilliant critic, sometimes within the same piece. He's one of the few writers I'll happily read on anything, though: sometimes getting outraged is its own reward (this applies to reading Hitchens as much as being Hitchens, I guess).

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 15:46 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.enteract.com/~peterk/

Lots of articles here Julio. (I agree with Justyn's assessment)

andy, Tuesday, 4 February 2003 16:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Also, he didn't vote for Bush, but said he would next time unless the Dems started taking the Islamofascist threat more seriously.

andy, Tuesday, 4 February 2003 16:15 (twenty-two years ago)

cheers!

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 16:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I like the way Hitchens delivers well-argued polemic against the likes of Kissinger.

That whole contrarian shtick of his is a bit tiresome... there is nothing inherently big and clever about railing against all conventional wisdom, unless the particular instances of conventional wisdom are not overly wise.

DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 17:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Hitchens is deep down an Orwellian type. He hates authoritarianism. He has shifted away from his radicalism a bit perhaps. I suspect that he is in favor of seeing the extreme right grab as much power and limit freedom enough so the people could see them for what they truly are and catalyze a major revolution. He is also in love with the notion of a "rogue" hyper-power exerting its supremacy just like Kipling adored the "Great Game" of British colonialism.

He is a good writer. Entertaining and thought-provoking. Good for him leaving the Nation.

Polo Pony, Tuesday, 4 February 2003 17:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Most will agree that he's a 'good writer'. Like many here, I agree with him on many things. I also agree with the Nipper's emphasis.

Voting for Bush 'his business' - well, I guess it is. And if he hasn't, then good for him. Nor have a lot of people. But a fact like that (supposing he did, and announced it) is the sort of fact that would seem... 'relevant' to a subsequent political analysis of him. It seems strange to discuss the political views of a figure like this, but then announce that his voting intentions (if publicly announced - which I take it they are, hence this discussion) were off-limits.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 4 February 2003 18:05 (twenty-two years ago)

I bet his brother teases him at Christmas, saying things like "Hah hah, I knew you'd grow up and join our side eventually. Welcome to the the real world, Christopher."

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 18:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm interested in his disagreements with Chomsky - where could I find out more about that? (Can't see any obvious link on that website ref'd above.)

Snowy Mann (rdmanston), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 18:26 (twenty-two years ago)

to to thenation.com and search for both their names, it should all come up. While their tiff was going on they were all organized on one page, but I don't think so anymore.

g.cannon (gcannon), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 18:34 (twenty-two years ago)

"go to" obv

g.cannon (gcannon), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 18:34 (twenty-two years ago)

i don't think we're in kansas any more, go to

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 18:52 (twenty-two years ago)

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first few shots of the chomsky-hitchens scrap here, snowy.

jones (actual), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 18:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Is anyone else reminded of Niles and Frasier Crane when they think of the Hitchens brothers?

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 19:35 (twenty-two years ago)

If he voted for Bush, maybe he voted for him to get a tax break. He has to be worth millions by now.

Polo Pony, Tuesday, 4 February 2003 21:36 (twenty-two years ago)

'The Missionary Position' is pretty good, though the John Waters (!)quote on the back cover is almost as good as the book: "Hilariously mean." We've probably talked about it here before but the best thing about Hitchens writing that book was that some moron at CNN (or was it ABC?) had him in the studio for the telecast of Mother Theresa's funeral because he was a pundit who had written a book about her. The producer hadn't realized that it was a scathing indictment. The look on Hitchens' face was priceless.

Bryan (Bryan), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 21:41 (twenty-two years ago)

i don't know what to think of Hitchens, to be honest. i still feel a lot of lingering bitterness for the role he played in Monicagate -- snitching on his friend Sidney Blumenthal, and the endless shit-talking about Clinton. in some ways, though Hitchens is a Brit he's still typical of a certain sort of American progressive who was so unhinged by Clinton that he loses all sense and reason when he talks about that subject (Nat Hentoff, Ralph Nader, and goodly portions of the staff of The Nation also come to mind) and rhetorically, can sound very little different than the most shrill right-wingers imaginable.

Tad (llamasfur), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 21:46 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...
Apparently, he's now confused:

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20041108&s=hitchens

http://slate.msn.com/id/2108714/

C0L1N B3CK3TT (Colin Beckett), Thursday, 28 October 2004 01:12 (twenty years ago)

flap flipper!

Sir Kingfish Beavis D'Azzmonch (Kingfish), Thursday, 28 October 2004 01:16 (twenty years ago)

um colin actually read both articles - he says the same thing in both (the heds are diff)

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 28 October 2004 01:18 (twenty years ago)

that too

still, nothing like such a ringing endorsement

Sir Kingfish Beavis D'Azzmonch (Kingfish), Thursday, 28 October 2004 01:19 (twenty years ago)

this is more bizarre and wrongheaded than anything Hitchens has mustered lately

Steven Landsburg, Economic Writer: Bush

If George Bush had chosen the racist David Duke as a running mate, I'd have voted against him, almost without regard to any other issue. Instead, John Kerry chose the xenophobe John Edwards as a running mate. I will therefore vote against John Kerry.

Duke thinks it's imperative to protect white jobs from black competition. Edwards thinks it's imperative to protect American jobs from foreign competition. There's not a dime's worth of moral difference there. While Duke would discriminate on the arbitrary basis of skin color, Edwards would discriminate on the arbitrary basis of birthplace. Either way, bigotry is bigotry, and appeals to base instincts should always be repudiated.

Bush's reckless spending and disregard for the truth had me almost ready to vote for Kerry—until Kerry picked his running mate. When the real David Duke ran against a corrupt felon for governor of Lousiana, the bumper stickers read, "Vote for the crook. It's important." Well, I'm voting for the reckless spendthrift. It's important again.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Thursday, 28 October 2004 01:20 (twenty years ago)

from the intern, I can't believe people really believe this stuff:
"The simple fact is that {Bush] is the only candidate who has had the courage to envision a long-term solution to the danger of terrorism—the liberalization and democratization of the Middle East."

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Thursday, 28 October 2004 01:22 (twenty years ago)

um colin actually read both articles - he says the same thing in both (the heds are diff)

The Nation article is pretty conclusively pro-Bush.

C0L1N B3CK3TT (Colin Beckett), Thursday, 28 October 2004 01:23 (twenty years ago)

yeah i wondered if the slate ppl assigned hitchens his "vote" based on reading, what, that little bit of the larger piece?

oh and the anti-outsourcing stuff isn't unproblematic, since the most easily legible way of stating it is provincialism...

g--ff (gcannon), Thursday, 28 October 2004 04:26 (twenty years ago)

One thing everyone who's had contact with him notes that C. Hitchens is a major alcoholic (and he's looking it too), getting all the more irrational as his disease slowly but surely consumes him.

Add to that his turnaround when he discovered that he was of Jewish descent. Hence his reactionary Israeli cheerleading and his insatiable lust for Arab blood. He's one sorry fucking case.

I saw C. Hitchens on some cable news network talk show last week, in which he slurred (the guy was drunk off his ass) that he was not yet a U.S. citizen, though he hopes to be one eventually, blahblahblah, So how can he vote for anybody at this point?

The Brits ought to be jubilant that they've rid themselves of this bloated fucker.

Majooba, Thursday, 28 October 2004 04:39 (twenty years ago)

move along people, no ideas to contend with here, just a drunk jew...

g--ff (gcannon), Thursday, 28 October 2004 04:42 (twenty years ago)

you brits are always sending yer trash over here, aren't you?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 28 October 2004 04:42 (twenty years ago)

i didn't realize hitchens was even an american citizen!

he lost the plot somewhere, definitely. it's not just his "new" politics but the tortured rhetoric he's been using lately, wherein (like alan keyes) he struggles to impress upon you his incredible powers of reason, but punctuates this effort with ad hominem asides and other red herrings such that it's difficult to reason out the actual logic being used. pathetic.

amateur!!st, Thursday, 28 October 2004 04:52 (twenty years ago)

or he's just a drunk who's pickled his brain in booze to the point where he can't string together a coherent thought to save his life.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 28 October 2004 04:53 (twenty years ago)

I want Orwell to come back from the dead and beat the living shit out of him.

C0L1N B3CK3TT (Colin Beckett), Thursday, 28 October 2004 05:08 (twenty years ago)

he really seems to claim orwell as his own. whenever a left winger cites orwell (michael moore, for example) his response is (an entirely unconvincing) "that's not orwell at all! they have no right!"

i really don't buy the drunk angle. he's still plenty smart. and he seems to have been boozing for a long while, so the effects would have shown themselves long before.

what does annoy me about hitchens: how when he appears on a talk show, he lights a cigarette, presumably because the standard rules of decorum don't apply to him--or rather, he has to keep up his schtick.

amateur!!st, Thursday, 28 October 2004 05:14 (twenty years ago)

Jerry the Nipper got it exactly right over a year and a half ago

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 28 October 2004 09:14 (twenty years ago)

Jerry the Nipper got it exactly right over a year and a half ago

Have I missed something? Wasn't he just quoting someone else?

frankiemachine, Thursday, 28 October 2004 10:06 (twenty years ago)

Well, he was right to quote whoever he was quoting because whoever he was quoting got it exactly right over a year and a half ago

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 28 October 2004 10:09 (twenty years ago)

The Brits ought to be jubilant that they've rid themselves of this bloated fucker.

Can you take his brother, too?

caitlin (caitlin), Thursday, 28 October 2004 10:40 (twenty years ago)


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