the celts invented punk!!

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― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 9 February 2003 12:07 (twenty-two years ago)

i found this postcard in the british museum yesterday!!

artist = peter connolly
punk = a typical celtic warrior apparently

― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 9 February 2003 12:08 (twenty-two years ago)

the guy on the right looks like a cross between albert einstein and david beckham

― gareth (gareth), Sunday, 9 February 2003 12:15 (twenty-two years ago)

since when do punks have mustaches?

― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Sunday, 9 February 2003 12:15 (twenty-two years ago)

oddly enough he is the one i am highlighting mainly

― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 9 February 2003 12:16 (twenty-two years ago)

What did they use for hair gel in olden times?

― Andrew L (Andrew L), Sunday, 9 February 2003 12:16 (twenty-two years ago)

it was still in the test-drive stages justyn

― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 9 February 2003 12:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Mark, these are things you would KNOW if you'd ever watched Time Team. Or, like, read any of the history books I used to read. Why do you think I loved the Celts so much as a teenage punk obsessed kiddie? they put lime in their hair to bleach it out and make it stand on end. And they wore lots of tartan, especially those trews/kilt combinations.

I discovered the two things around the same time, reading old magazine articles about Malcolm McLaren and Vivienne Westwood, then seeing these historical recreations of Celtic clothing, and wondering if one had inspired the other. I found these two pictures, one a Roman painting of a Celtic warrior, and another a photo of Johnny Rotten, hair sticking up, eyes popping out and wearing a tartan suit, and the resemblance was uncanny. I always thought it was intentional.

― kate, Sunday, 9 February 2003 12:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Lime. It's all about lime. My hair changed colour and went about three shades lighter when I first moved to England. I wasn't even hitting the (peroxide) bottle at the time!

― kate, Sunday, 9 February 2003 12:18 (twenty-two years ago)

i hate time team, they shd put all the earth back when they've finished

― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 9 February 2003 12:18 (twenty-two years ago)

They DO put the earth back! You just don't get to see it cause they've only got THREE DAYS and AN HOUR to show you everything that happened, and what would you rather see? Tony Robinson getting a lecture on "Arrrrr, this is clearrrrrly dirrrrrt!" or big diggers putting loads of dirrrrrrrt back at the end?

― kate, Sunday, 9 February 2003 12:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey, that guy stole my hair!

― toraneko (toraneko), Sunday, 9 February 2003 12:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I wouldn't argue with him, he's got a big sword.

― Ed (dali), Sunday, 9 February 2003 12:35 (twenty-two years ago)

and keane is probably in the background, and you know what he is like

― gareth (gareth), Sunday, 9 February 2003 12:37 (twenty-two years ago)

And who knows what she's concealing under that dress.

― Ed (dali), Sunday, 9 February 2003 12:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Lime and chlorine levels in our drinking water here mean that, yes, hair dye is difficult to maintain. And dark hair lightens easily. Every Japanese person I know has had to re-dye their hair dark before returning home, just so parents won't think they've gone all DECADENT and hit the blonde hairdye.

― suzy (suzy), Sunday, 9 February 2003 12:44 (twenty-two years ago)

where's the SAFETY PIN!?!

― nathalie (nathalie), Sunday, 9 February 2003 12:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Have you ever seen the brooches that the Celts used to fasten their cape-things with? Massive fuckoff safety pins! And my kilt-pins always used to make the best punk rock fashion accessories.

― kate, Sunday, 9 February 2003 12:52 (twenty-two years ago)

right by his tattoooed arm (very primitive design)

― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 9 February 2003 12:52 (twenty-two years ago)

On average, each Time Team project spends three days rushing to dig up something interesting, then a further camera-less two weeks to do all the boring-but-necessary stuff like planning, drawing and photographing all the trenches, and filling them in again.

Personally, I think the chap in the picture *can't* be a punk, because he's far too rich and powerful. Look at his enormous house and incredibly-expensive weaponry.

― caitlin (caitlin), Sunday, 9 February 2003 13:49 (twenty-two years ago)

surely that proves he IS a punk?

― gareth (gareth), Sunday, 9 February 2003 13:54 (twenty-two years ago)

But that makes him even MORE of a punk!

Do you ever get the feeling there's a Time Team pecking order, like Tony and Mick and Arrrrrr... (forget his name, but the one with the DDB hair and muttonchop sideburns) and Carenza get to swan in and make all the pronouncements for three days, and then they leave the poor mudlings, and, like, the more bit players (Katie Hirst, I always like her, cause I like her name) to do all the patching up and fixing and documentation at the end...

― kate, Sunday, 9 February 2003 13:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, definitely. There's also rumours that Carenza fell out with the others a few years ago, and refuses to talk to them when they're not working.

― caitlin (caitlin), Sunday, 9 February 2003 14:01 (twenty-two years ago)

And people say that MUSICIANS are bitchy prima donna divas... ACADEMICS are far, far, FAR worse.

― kate, Sunday, 9 February 2003 14:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Pink had a very similar design of temporary tattoo at some award show I saw! Therefore, I subscribe to this theory.

― jel -- (jel), Sunday, 9 February 2003 14:06 (twenty-two years ago)

They also invented the blues too, if you believe Van Morrison.

― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Sunday, 9 February 2003 16:25 (twenty-two years ago)

What, academics invented the blues? Just as a thought!

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 10 February 2003 17:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Woke up this morning, read the worst peer review I ever had.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 February 2003 17:51 (twenty-two years ago)

his wife thinks he looks like a dolt, surely?

(or is it terribly unpunk to ASSUME

― g.cannon (gcannon), Monday, 10 February 2003 17:57 (twenty-two years ago)

gah!

...that is his wyfe.)

― g.cannon (gcannon), Monday, 10 February 2003 17:58 (twenty-two years ago)

And that is the nannyest most un-conan sword I have ever seen & he's wearing it way high and roman style up under his tits like a fusion guitarist = dandy. But then does roman iconography = swastika?

― g.cannon (gcannon), Monday, 10 February 2003 18:02 (twenty-two years ago)

It's a very typical Celtic sword. I can't remember the details, but Celtic decorated swords are typically either Hungarian or British, and (to my out-of-practise eyes) that looks more like a Yorkshire one than a Hungarian one. The tattoos on his right arm look rather British Celtic too.

― caitlin (caitlin), Monday, 10 February 2003 18:51 (twenty-two years ago)

caitlin can you do swords county by county??

you are the hipster's hipster if you can!!

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 10 February 2003 19:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Hahaha, not really. There are a lot more Iron Age swords from Yorkshire than from other parts of the UK, because the people from East Yorkshire had very different burial patterns from the rest of the country - there is a little patch of Yorkshire which seemingly got its funerary traditions from the Ile de France. People from the rest of the country probably had swords just the same; it's just that we don't have very many of them.

(when I say "sword" I really mean all the decorative bits surrounding the sword itself: the hilt, scabbard and chape.)

― caitlin (caitlin), Monday, 10 February 2003 19:24 (twenty-two years ago)

The celts? Bah, it all happened around here (South France). Or that is what is claimed in quite a few scholar texts about the origins of Punk. have you ever heard of the cathares ? sorry, no clue about the correct spelling. If you have read /seen "The name of the rose", they are the heresy that William of Baskerville and others are under suspect to have practiced

― arantxa, Monday, 10 February 2003 21:16 (twenty-two years ago)

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