Does Anyone Here Like It's A Scream

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or Firkins. or any other samey pub chains of that ilk.

MarkH (MarkH), Sunday, 9 February 2003 17:15 (twenty-three years ago)

it just seems to me that these places are much maligned, whilst at the same time are incredibly popular.

MarkH (MarkH), Sunday, 9 February 2003 17:16 (twenty-three years ago)

Yates is okay, they do nice chips.

jel -- (jel), Sunday, 9 February 2003 17:18 (twenty-three years ago)

These are the most vile, evil, nasty generic chain booze serving establishments. OK so it could be worse it could be a Yates Wine Lodge. The main one in Sheffield is underneath the old WARP office and it generally has a trail of vomit leading to its door. The type of people who drink there are people who lack the imagination to do anything with themselves or their lives.

Ed (dali), Sunday, 9 February 2003 17:44 (twenty-three years ago)

or maybe they just like the chips. And they have good tables, and are generally empty during the day, good place to buy a glass of coke and some chips and work on film scripts.

jel -- (jel), Sunday, 9 February 2003 17:46 (twenty-three years ago)

ed, do you not think it is also full of people who have achieved quite a bit in life. its not your down at heel boozer is it?

gareth (gareth), Sunday, 9 February 2003 17:51 (twenty-three years ago)

My mates DJ at one down the road. Reasonable place, if you like your pub to be utterly identical to the one down the other end of the road.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Sunday, 9 February 2003 17:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Wetherspoons are full of down at heel types though. Well they are in Rochdale. But then I suppose most places in Rochdale could be said to have this though.

I always see Screams as Student places = rubbish booze.

Dave B (daveb), Sunday, 9 February 2003 17:54 (twenty-three years ago)

I think they are a student-oriented chain of some kind. The fact that there's two on the same road as our uni would suggest it, in any case.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Sunday, 9 February 2003 17:56 (twenty-three years ago)

Wetherspoons is the ultimate alcholics and pensioners pub during the day isn't it. Still, they do good quality beer at cheap prices so you cant complain about that.

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Monday, 10 February 2003 01:05 (twenty-three years ago)

They may have good quality beer but they don't know how to treat it. It always tastes stale or tastes of pipe bleach and if you complain the dumb kids behind the bar just assume that that's how bittter/ale should taste.

Ed (dali), Monday, 10 February 2003 07:49 (twenty-three years ago)

Also Mr 'Wetherspoon' (I can't remember his name) is a xenophobic twat.

Ed (dali), Monday, 10 February 2003 07:51 (twenty-three years ago)

yes, he even puts anti-euro propaganda on his beermats! I agree with Ed. Wetherspoons don't know how to keep their beer. And the Wetherspoons in Wood Green is a characterless airy shed.

MarkH (MarkH), Monday, 10 February 2003 08:46 (twenty-three years ago)

Wetherspoons and Scream pubs are bad enough (far worse than All Bar One in my humble opinion) but none of them are as bad as O'Neills authentic Oirish pubs, every one of which I have ever set foot in seems to just excude evil.

You don't really see many Firkin pubs around in this day and age, but when they ruled the high street they were a bit of a mixed bag. The old-school ones, like the Fox and Firkin in Lewisham, were great, but a lot of the newer 90s chain ones were dreadful. Rule of thumb for Firkin pubs is that the quality of the pub is inversely proportional to the tenuousness of the pub name. If it was called the Frog and Firkin, it was probably passable, or even prety good. If it was called the Philatelist and Firkin you could bank on it being a big soulless cowshed hellhole of Weatherspoons-esque proportions.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 10 February 2003 11:07 (twenty-three years ago)

I quite liked the Firkin I went to in St Albans, which used to be a public library. The barmaid told me that they still had pensioners coming in asking for books. I found this highly unlikely.

MarkH (MarkH), Monday, 10 February 2003 14:07 (twenty-three years ago)

i went to the Firkin in St Albans a few times - just too packed fulla students (of which i was one myself) and not enough seats thus dud ;)

the Firkin in Brighton town centre (the Lanes) is the best i've been to...

its funny how a lot of them seemed to have been replaced by O Neills and now something else - but all owned by the same company anyway i thought

stevem (blueski), Monday, 10 February 2003 14:24 (twenty-three years ago)

I spent a very boozy saturday afternoon in that one in Brighton and yes, it was conducive to drinking. The one in Cheltenham is very dud.

chris (chris), Monday, 10 February 2003 14:25 (twenty-three years ago)

Wetherspooons get a high volume of beer in that is very close to its use-by date and attempt to sell it very quickly. Which means that you can't be sure that it hasn't really gone off. I don't like them for this reason.

SittingPretty (sittingpretty), Monday, 10 February 2003 14:32 (twenty-three years ago)

The main one in Sheffield is underneath the old WARP office and it generally has a trail of vomit leading to its door.

So true and only any good when my friend Chris worked there and would happily dispense shot after shot with no money changing hands. Why go there when you can walk for five minutes and go somewhere nice on Division Street? It's A Scream are all far too yellow.


It's A Scream - soul-deviod hell-holes with 'wacky' cultural references that those crazy students should like.
O'Neils - soul-devoid hell-holes with nothing but Boyzone and Irish folk jigs on juke box.
Yates - soul-deviod hell-holes with awful, awful wine and screaming young girls.
Weatherspoons - soul-deviod hell-holes that manage to be both down at heel and badly aspirational at the same time.
All Bar One - soul-deviod hell-hole full of blokes in rugby shirts chasing girls in black Morgan tops drinking warm white wine. (see also Rat and Parrot, Slug and Lettuce, Pitcher and Piano)


Please never get me started on chain bars again.

(I will make an exception for Revolution because the one in Soho is nice and the one in Wolverhampton has big sofas and a few of my friends used to DJ at the one in Sheffield and I like a nice cocktail and cranberry vodka and ... oh shit ... the marketing people have won!)

Anna (Anna), Monday, 10 February 2003 14:36 (twenty-three years ago)

It'd be good if someone who has lived in both US and UK would post and let me know if this sort of thing exists in America.

Stevem mentioned lack of seats in the St Albans Firkin; this seemed to characterise the chain. The Philosopher & Firkin and Philanderer & Firkin in Oxford both suffered from this problem. The few seats the Philanderer had were around faux barrels to act as tables, with ridiculous wooden trim round the edges in the shape of pieces of rope. Or they mght actually have been rope heavily varnished to match the barrel, I can't remember. Either way, it looked v. silly.

Both have now become It's A Screams, the City Arms and Jericho repsctively. I haven't been in the latter, but the I graced the former with my presence on Friday. It was very strange.

MarkH (MarkH), Monday, 10 February 2003 15:48 (twenty-three years ago)

I like the chain of GOTH PUBS. Hooray for the Ben Crouch tavern and HOORAY for the er... other ones... that are about... in places. There's one in Nottingham, isn't there? I like Nottingham. Many geek shops and a grebt sushi place and a chain goth pub. Classic. I think I must get to the Ben Crouch more often.

Sarah (starry), Monday, 10 February 2003 15:51 (twenty-three years ago)

There used to be a nice old Firkin in Leicester, but O'Neills (a pub described by my friend as sapping her will to live) bought it and expanded so they could have a DISCO full of middle aged, broken down women in gold sovereign rings dancing to Earth Wind and Fire until 2am Fridays and Saturdays.
It's a Scream pubs also make me sad, especially if I can remember the pub they demolished. A small friendly local full of board games is now some kind of warped IKEA hell with bright lights and neon drinks in bottles. Great chips and cheese though.
Oh, and the GOTH pub in Nottingham is called The Pit and the Pendulum. Never been, as girlfriend is frightened (she dresses it in distain, though).

Madeleine (Madeleine), Monday, 10 February 2003 15:55 (twenty-three years ago)

There seem to be far more It's a Screams in Reading than Oxford. A good reason not to move there.

The Pub Oxford was the first IAS I encountered and then I rushed upstairs to the (sadly gone) Point to a gig by some now-forgotten band.

Good thing I find keg Worthington bearable - it's the only bitter It's A Scream sell.

I was at a birthday do for a colleague on Friday so I couldn't make too much of a fuss. The oddest feature had to be the card swapping to get free drinks. There were cards like top trumps which you were given when you bought a round, with subjects like Grannies and Shopkeepers. As soon as you collected a full set you got a free shot.

MarkH (MarkH), Monday, 10 February 2003 15:58 (twenty-three years ago)

Goth pubs are GRATE for having TORRID AFFAIRS in. Plenty of dark corners! NB I'll add an "I should imagine" here as this has never happened chiz chiz WHERE IS THE INTRIGUE.

Have a soft spot for provincial O'Neils, but London O'Neils are bloody horrible, prize culprit being the one by Leicester Sq. EUGHGHGH. I like another chain pub round that area though, it has plenty of little nooks in which to hide from the evil orange faced hordes and my friends think I suit it because it's a bit like how they imagine a pub from LOTR to look like.

Hmmm.

Maddy you should GO to the Pit and Pendulum, it is a larff and they have amusingly named cocktails if I recall correctly! Perhaps you should go to it on a PUB CRAWL. Yes! A Nottingham pub crawl. What a good idea!!

Sarah (starry), Monday, 10 February 2003 16:01 (twenty-three years ago)

Reading has an It's A Scream called the Upin Arms. Ouch!

MarkH (MarkH), Monday, 10 February 2003 16:03 (twenty-three years ago)

My view of Firkin pubs would change forever if they would only name one the Fucker and Firkin. Not likely, I grant you, but the fact that the pub in Penrith in Withnail and I was originally (in the screenplay) called the Crow and Cunt means that I still hold out some sort of withering hope.

Oh, and the Pavlov's Dog in Reading still (to my knowledge at least) has a cigarette-packet football shirt made by ME behind the bar. Reason enough not to go on its own, to be honest.

SittingPretty (sittingpretty), Monday, 10 February 2003 16:04 (twenty-three years ago)

No good can come of pub crawls. Especially if I were far from home and had to negotiate with a train to get back. I fear my own love of alcohol.

Madeleine (Madeleine), Monday, 10 February 2003 16:09 (twenty-three years ago)

Aw. One of my happiest memories involves a pub crawl in Nottingham with some really really REALLY lovely foax - one who tried to THROW ME IN THE CANAL grrr. Hooray for summer days and drinking and places with rivers!! *happy*

Firkin pubs - occasionally frequented one in t'north, it had ranges of real ale and a "broken" jukebox that we used to get free plays on and barely any atmosphere. But a bunch of good friends can create yr own atmosphere. Top jums. Certainly better than some horrific non-chain pubs I've visited recently (will the Hog and Pound please stand up)?

Sarah (starry), Monday, 10 February 2003 16:28 (twenty-three years ago)

Hogshead/Hobgoblin pubs - classic or dud?

Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 10 February 2003 16:32 (twenty-three years ago)

Cor, wot about BEEFEATERS eh? Don't forget the first ever gastropub (hemhem).

Sarah (starry), Monday, 10 February 2003 16:34 (twenty-three years ago)

Hobgoblin pubs are grebt! There are two in Oxford, one in St Aldates that used to be the Bulldog and the other on Cowley road which was formerly the Ampney Cottage. The Bulldog definitely improved A LOT when it became a Hobgoblin. It didn't used to have enough places to sit (there's still a large empty space in the middle, but not *as* large) and when I moved to Oxford they had karaoke every night, which seemed a little excessive. The pecan pie I had there was one of the worst things I've eaten in Oxford ever! So, defintely an improvement there. The Hobgoblin in Cowley Road has better beer than when it was the Ampney. Wychwood's own ales aren't anything special, except for the WONDERFUL M4 Mild, but the St aldates Hobgoblin always compensates by having a HUGE range of guest ales. And they have a good quiz. And hanging baskets outside which win Oxford in Bloom competitions.

MarkH (MarkH), Saturday, 15 February 2003 12:05 (twenty-three years ago)

maybe my love of Hobgoblin is to do with my love of compromise - a small scale traditional brewer using modern marketing techniques. How could it be anything other than a winner?

MarkH (MarkH), Saturday, 15 February 2003 12:12 (twenty-three years ago)

three years pass...
i go to "the court" which is the it's a scream on tottenham court road a lot, it's nice. and two pool tables upstairs. plus £3.95 beer and curry/burger combo in the afternoon. and now they even sell (commercial strength) brothers in bottles. cor. and SOURZ TOWERZ.

makes me want to be a student again.

ken c (ken c), Monday, 6 November 2006 16:07 (nineteen years ago)

Reading has an It's A Scream called the Upin Arms. Ouch!

-- MarkH (mark_e_heste...), February 10th, 2003 4:03 PM. (MarkH) (link)

LOLZ that was my local 5-7 years ago! It had table football and 2 pool tables, and was reasonably cheap.

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Monday, 6 November 2006 16:11 (nineteen years ago)

My local is a Scream pub. I love it very much in deed.

You've Had Your Chances (noodle vague), Monday, 6 November 2006 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

xpost back when it was the "Jack of Both Sides", and got raided live on ITV News?

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 6 November 2006 17:04 (nineteen years ago)

i always thought they were a midlands-northy thing

secondhandnews (secondhandnews), Monday, 6 November 2006 17:06 (nineteen years ago)

Do Sam Smith's pubs count? I can't find anything to bitch about there. Scream pubs are universally vile. There's one round here that's been open for eight or nine years, and was a standard, well-liked old man's pub before being bought out. The new staff were thus instructed to do everything they could to keep anyone over, say, 35 away - pointlessly loud music/TV, serving younger people first etc. Cunts.

Feargal Hixxy (DJ Mencap), Monday, 6 November 2006 17:14 (nineteen years ago)

The Scream chain's blinding yellow decor is enough to put anyone off.

Anna (Anna), Monday, 6 November 2006 17:38 (nineteen years ago)

You are all forgetting the joys of DRUNK GIANT JENGA.

chap who would dare to welcome our new stingray masters (chap), Monday, 6 November 2006 17:52 (nineteen years ago)

Scream pub in Glasgow near Strathclyde University was aces in the summer as it had big screens outside for the World Cup - smoking ban circumvention and sunbathing ahoy! Also, yeah, Brothers cider. I also don't hate Wetherspoons either. Or Hogshead, though I am only familiar with my nearest one which has nice bar staff and gives you cheap booze during the football.

ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 6 November 2006 22:32 (nineteen years ago)

xpost back when it was the "Jack of Both Sides", and got raided live on ITV News?

-- mark grout (mark.grou...), November 6th, 2006 5:04 PM. (mark grout) (later) (link)

No it was the Scream pub by then. Jack Of Both Sides I guess got raided/closed down about '97ish? Now that was a scary place.

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 10:04 (nineteen years ago)


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