hair dye advice part 2

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i am a brunette, and for a very long time i would dye my hair black, and it looked pretty good. but then last year i dyed my hair red, and i really don't suit it. i want to go back to black. is it okay to put black hairdye over the red, or is there anything i should know about first?

― di smith (lucylurex), Sunday, 9 February 2003 21:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Permanent dye?

― Bryan (Bryan), Sunday, 9 February 2003 21:50 (twenty-three years ago)

I've done red to black and it was fine. It's blonde to black you're not supposed to do, and will turn your hair green - because good blonde requires removing the red tones from your hair, and it's the red tones plus the greenish tint of the dye that results in black.

― kate, Sunday, 9 February 2003 22:12 (twenty-three years ago)

To paraphrase my wife's comments: even temporary black dye usually lasts a good long time and covers just about anything, but in any case condition the hell out of your hair afterwards. She colours her hair all the time and has gotten quite good at it. I would get her to answer directly but she dislikes ILX.

― Bryan (Bryan), Sunday, 9 February 2003 22:24 (twenty-three years ago)

but but but what about BRAIN CANCER?

― donut bitch (donut), Sunday, 9 February 2003 22:30 (twenty-three years ago)

Hairdye doesn't cause cancer. Don't be ridiculous. I mean, even if it did, you'd have to leave it on your head FOR WEEKS AT A TIME for it to have any effect. Something you stick on your head for twenty minutes every few months is not going to hurt you. Well, no moreso than, say, living in central London.

― kate, Sunday, 9 February 2003 22:35 (twenty-three years ago)

Have you considered a wig?

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 9 February 2003 22:37 (twenty-three years ago)

Kate, I'm going to give you the phone numbers of various family members of mine and you're going to explain to them over the phone why they are being ridiculous.

― donut bitch (donut), Sunday, 9 February 2003 22:40 (twenty-three years ago)

SOME hairdyes used in the 50s and 60s contained that red dye number two that was carginogenic when CONSUMED. (Yes, when was the last time you ATE hairdye?) 1) You do not ingest hairdye and 2) they stopped using it in hairdye some time during the 70s. Unless you started dyeing your hair before you hit puberty, you are safe.

― kate, Sunday, 9 February 2003 22:46 (twenty-three years ago)

i have a black wig actually martin but wigs are generally a nuisance to wear because your friends want to play with them and that makes them crooked. i so couldn't be bothered wearing a wig everyday, only for special occasions.

thanks kate, i trust your good advice. i have another question: does henna work over chemical colourings? cos i'd really love to start using henna, it gets a blacker black.

― di smith (lucylurex), Sunday, 9 February 2003 23:39 (twenty-three years ago)

Henna is a big no no after chemical colourings as far as I know. Surefire way to end up with green hair. At least thats the case with red henna, dont know about black though.

I've just gone back to reddish hair after nany years of black (with a pillarbox red fringe) because I've gone so grey the regrowth looked silly with black hair. GREY HAIR! I'll be dyeing my hair til I'm 103, I think.

― Trayce (trayce), Monday, 10 February 2003 12:04 (twenty-three years ago)

thanks trayce. i shall wait till it grows a bit longer, then out with the old red bits and in with the henna.

― di smith (lucylurex), Monday, 10 February 2003 13:53 (twenty-three years ago)

A man at work keeps having a go at me for dying my hair black because he says it'll cause me to go grey prematurely, is this true?

― Ferg (Ferg), Monday, 10 February 2003 17:04 (twenty-three years ago)

It will NOT make your hair turn grey, either! ARGH! All these hairdye myths make me mad.

However, it may make you go bald - or at least hasten baldness and the appearance of baldness. First off, dye does weaken the hair shaft, so you will have increased breakage of existing hair. It does irritate the follicles, so if you're genetically predisposed towards baldness, it will accelerate it. Also, if your hair is naturally light, dying it a darker colour may accentuate bald patches.

God, when did I become Ms. Clairol?

― kate, Monday, 10 February 2003 17:13 (twenty-three years ago)

Red dye no. 2 never caused cancer and was not used in hair dye (to my knowledge, it was only used in food).

The one study that concluded that no. 2 caused cancer was never able to be replicated. The most likely cause of rat cancer in the study was contaminated food; their food had been contaminated with a carcinogenic fungus. Animals were also mixed between the test and control groups so that at the end of the study, one could not be sure if any of the animals had been solely in either group.

The hair dye scare in the 70s was due to an almost-as-flawed study that had rats drink the equivalent of over twenty bottles of hairdye every day.

What the media fails to report for any of these highly suspect studies is that for any substance, there is a maximum amount that an organism can tolerate, above which there will always be systemic failures. I tell my wife that she is approaching this level with her cake consumption.

― No One (SiggyBaby), Monday, 10 February 2003 17:18 (twenty-three years ago)

Aha, no lightness or genetic baldness here. Oh wait, does it skip a generation? Fuck.

― Ferg (Ferg), Monday, 10 February 2003 17:45 (twenty-three years ago)

Kate: I've had many people accuse my grey hair on hairdye as well, it's hilarious. That they're not engaging the brain to think that grey hair comes from within the follicle, but hairdye just sits atop the already-grown hair... ARGH.

I'm a hairdye junkie. I love reds, especially extreme paint-pot colours. We have a brand in Aus called Fudge, I dont know if you can get it overseas, but it has the best range of primary-coloured dyes. Seems to be the trend here for every normal joe to dye their hair blue or green these days...

― Trayce (trayce), Monday, 10 February 2003 20:54 (twenty-three years ago)

dye does weaken the hair shaft

I thought bleach or lifting weakened the hair but dye put deposits on the hair and actually made it thicker? You have to make sure you're using a dye w/o a lifter though. Certainly my hair (fine, thin, weak, etc) grew to its longest length ever when I was using henna & black dye.

― teeny (teeny), Monday, 10 February 2003 20:58 (twenty-three years ago)

i get the occasional grey hair, but i think that they came about from when i got my heart broke, a couple of years ago.

― di smith (lucylurex), Monday, 10 February 2003 23:04 (twenty-three years ago)

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