Is the YBA Dead

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judging by auction results and press, no one seems to care anymore. discuss.

― anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 10 February 2003 08:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Wow, it's taken people a long time to ignore this thread...

Not dead. Just preserved in formaldehyde and gently rotting away. Or something.

We're in a recession, who cares about art?

― kate, Monday, 10 February 2003 09:05 (twenty-two years ago)

a good point, so was yba only a thing for those heady days of the mid 90s.

what has/will replaced them
are they history now ?

― anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 10 February 2003 09:09 (twenty-two years ago)

There was a heady time in the mid-90s when indie-rock was pop music and high art was pop culture. Both moments have passed. Pop entertainment culture is no longer interested in Art and concept, it's moved on. It wants distraction.

It's all about grand non-gestures now. Put your life through the shredder. Or something.

― kate, Monday, 10 February 2003 09:12 (twenty-two years ago)

only in england though ?
i mean yba and britpop was on the verge of breaking in usa, but didnt really ?

thank you for answering kate.

― anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 10 February 2003 09:15 (twenty-two years ago)

and i mean koons keep making records, and his career should have been dead with the nyc 80s, no ?

― anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 10 February 2003 09:20 (twenty-two years ago)

What in the name of holy hell is the yba? I'm asking seriously. I saw this thread and ignored cos I thought yba was a misprint and anthony meant wba="womans' basketball association"

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Monday, 10 February 2003 09:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Kate and Anthony are discussing it = it must either equal KINKY SEX or ART. Ergo, YBA, or more commonly, yBa = Young British Artists. Damien Hirst and all his mates.

― kate, Monday, 10 February 2003 09:38 (twenty-two years ago)

ok whos in it
sarah lucas,damien hirst,elizabeth peyton,rachel whiteread, tim and sue webster. mark quinn ?

am i wrong, are their others?

― anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 10 February 2003 09:43 (twenty-two years ago)

other people must know

― anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 10 February 2003 10:22 (twenty-two years ago)

tracy emin surely
sam taylor-wood (is that her name?)
the chapman brothers?

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 10 February 2003 10:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I always thought Elizabeth Peyton was American. Am I wrong?

Or maybe it's just cause her art just *looks* so much like Anglophile Yank fan-girl art. Visual fan fiction.

Tracey and Chapmans, yeah, deffo canon. (Or cannon as the case may be.)

― kate, Monday, 10 February 2003 10:35 (twenty-two years ago)

of course.
so what do all of these people have in common ?
aside from time and place, do they even have the mannifesto or ssomething that ties together ?

― anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 10 February 2003 10:37 (twenty-two years ago)

They all went to Goldsmiths and they all became famous in the early to mid 90s. Tra la la, a movement!

― kate, Monday, 10 February 2003 10:39 (twenty-two years ago)

haha
did they even like each other

― anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 10 February 2003 10:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Most of them were in a show, Freeze, curated by Damien Hirst and Andrew Renton in 1988. So: Damien, Sarah Lucas, Gillian Wearing, Abigail Lane, Gary Hume, etc. All in Freeze were Goldsmith's students (Nick to thread, he actually went to the show in question).

Tracey Emin went to the Royal College of Art.

Lots of the artists are represented by White Cube.

― suzy (suzy), Monday, 10 February 2003 10:54 (twenty-two years ago)

i knew that, didnt i.
sorry im blank today.

so suzy, is it dead ?

― anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 10 February 2003 10:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Probably not. Recessions are extremely fertile breeding grounds for new waves of artists; it was the last recession that brought us the yBa phenomenon. Also for the most part it was a positive scene where people were helpful to each other and promoted each other's work (to some extent this is still true, at least with the artists although as they become more established, the dealers and hangers-on get more obnoxiously Establishment).

― suzy (suzy), Monday, 10 February 2003 11:04 (twenty-two years ago)

hmm
do you think that there is one artist that will out last, like koons ?

i dont think i have seen damians new stuff.
tracy is doing neon rip offs of nauman right ?
lucas is not much different from cindy sherman et al.
peyton has moved onto americans
marc quinn hasnt outlived the infamous head.

― anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 10 February 2003 11:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes he has because Charles Saatchi's house movers thought the freezer it was kept in was ordinary freezer, so melted blood head accidentally.

Elizabeth Peyton is American and works and lives in NYC.

― suzy (suzy), Monday, 10 February 2003 11:17 (twenty-two years ago)

why does she get shovelled in with these.
i posted about the quinn.

― anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 10 February 2003 11:37 (twenty-two years ago)

No idea, apart from depictions of Jarvis and Liam right at the height of Cool Britannia might have linked Peyton to yBa's in that sense only.

― suzy (suzy), Monday, 10 February 2003 11:43 (twenty-two years ago)

hmm
thnx suzy, i dont know why ive been thinking about it all of a sudden,except for looking at auction results this morning.

― anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 10 February 2003 11:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I reckon upcoming Saatchi action will kick off the hype again. It was mostly his patronage that made them into a publicly-identified group, despite the common Freeze start. I think one or two have a real future, not least Hirst who I do think is a genuine major talent. Tim H was very taken with Emin's latest show too.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 10 February 2003 18:16 (twenty-two years ago)

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