LORD OF THE RINGS 2 - FIRST BEST FILM NOMINATION FOR A SEQUEL SINCE GODFATHER 2 ?

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or has there been another ?
if not, that says something
but i don't know what.

chicago gets 13 noms, the hours 9.

piscesboy, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 14:09 (twenty-three years ago)

They really want the musical back, don't they? The Academy, I mean. Didn't they go nutty for "Moulin Rouge" too?

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 14:11 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes, but unlike "Moulin Rouge", "Chicago" works.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 14:13 (twenty-three years ago)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/film/2749149.stm

Lynskey (Lynskey), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 14:18 (twenty-three years ago)

Actually, the last sequel to be nominated for best picture was... The Godfather Part III (1990)

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 14:24 (twenty-three years ago)

When did they start only nominating actors for one film? I remember the early oscars would have nominations for their work this year. I only ask because of the Juliane Moore/Meryl Streep thing.

Peter Jackson woz robbed! Can you name the directors of Chicago or The Hours?

I rememember they nominated Moulin Rouge for best film but not best director, which was mental.

I would say that they're carving Charlie Kaufman's name on the Oscar as we speak, except I would have said that about Being John Malkovich, and they gave it to American Beauty (possible future trivia answer).

Best Original Screenplay is the only nomination for Y Tu Mama Tambien => the Academy can eat my fuc.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 14:45 (twenty-three years ago)

well spotted on the deliberate mistake front dom.

piscesboy, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 14:53 (twenty-three years ago)

Far From Heaven was a pile of cack and shouldn't have been nominated for anything.

mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 15:25 (twenty-three years ago)

Ha, I bet you we've found our surprise winner!

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 15:26 (twenty-three years ago)

I would be very happy for Chicago to win lots - as I too am keen on the return of the musical and this is popcorn munching fun. Though it would be great if Almodovar won best director when the Academies rules meant his film could not be in the Best Foreign Film catagory.

Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 15:28 (twenty-three years ago)

I too am keen on the return of the musical

I'm not for a variety of reasons, though I know it's held close to the heart of many (hi Nicole!). I say this having a variety of favorite musicals myself and obviously the basic principle of the musical still works for me, otherwise I wouldn't have favorite videos (and then of course there's the South Park movie, which should have won just about every award that year running -- for whatever reason I seem to accept musicals more in animated form than live action in terms of recent efforts). Otherwise, it feels like a dead form, a mystery play of the mid-twentieth century.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 15:49 (twenty-three years ago)

Wasn't Air Bud 2: Golden Receiver nominated for best picture? It should have been.
http://www.tribute.ca/tribute_objects/images/movies/air_bud/air_bud_pic2.jpg

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 15:51 (twenty-three years ago)

Predictions, solely based on hype and reading articles (the only film I've seen of those mentioned is Far From Heaven):
best film: Chicago. Critics always seem to point out flaws in Gangs, which would be my next choice. The fact that the dreadful Moulin Rouge was even frickin' nominated last year means that the Academy is receptive toward musicals.
best director: Martin Scorsese. It's their nod to him, since Gangs might not win, and he's never won before (which is just ridiculous, isn't it?).
best actor: Jack Nicholson. Obvious choice, I know. Maybe Daniel Day-Lewis. Not Nicholas Cage, because I think people are just sick of him now.
best actress: Renee Zellweger. Cuteness helps (e.g. the Gwyneth effect from a few years back), and the award is a cumulative one for her lauded performances of the last few years.
supporting actor: Paul Newman. Another obvious choice, but the competition doesn't look too hot.
supporting actress: Julianne Moore. She won't get the "best actress" award, so this is her consolation prize.
screenplay: Adaptation
cinematography and technical stuff: The Two Towers

Polanski won't win, probably ever, because of his creepy history - the Academy won't be able to separate the man and the director.

I'm not sure why anyone cares about the Oscars anymore (I mean, fer chrissakes, A Beautiful Mind was the last best picture winner?!), but it's oddly fun to try to pick out patterns and predict their choices and then ultimately, scream out, "What were they thinking?!".

Ernest P. (ernestp), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 16:26 (twenty-three years ago)

The fact that the dreadful Moulin Rouge was even frickin' nominated last year means that the Academy is receptive toward musicals.

Wow, why so much Moulin Rouge hate around here? I thought it was easily one of the best films last year. Fantastic spectacle and a great ear for how pop songs own us.

best director: Martin Scorsese. It's their nod to him, since Gangs might not win, and he's never won before (which is just ridiculous, isn't it?).

No more so than Orson Welles, Alfred Hitchcock, Howard Hawks, Charles Chaplin, Fritz Lang, Josef von Sternberg, Ernst Lubitsch, Preston Sturges, Nicholas Ray and Stanley Kubrick.

best actor: Jack Nicholson. Obvious choice, I know. Maybe Daniel Day-Lewis. Not Nicholas Cage, because I think people are just sick of him now.

But Nicholson already got his "Twilight of his Years" oscar five years ago. Though this is apparently his best work in decades.

Do you reckon that Nicholas Cage's switching between serious and action and back mean that he'll never get one?

supporting actor: Paul Newman. Another obvious choice, but the competition doesn't look too hot.

I hear Christopher Walken is great.

I'm not sure why anyone cares about the Oscars anymore

For spectacle, and to focus the mind (the same reason as best-of-year lists).

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 16:39 (twenty-three years ago)

Cage already has one, no? how soon we forgot LLV

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 16:42 (twenty-three years ago)

D'oh!

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 16:45 (twenty-three years ago)

Nicholson should win, and probably will, because this is the first film he's ever done where he hasn't played Jack Nicholson.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 17:04 (twenty-three years ago)

Ned, I would go see "Chicago" before deciding that musicals don't work.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 18:28 (twenty-three years ago)

Horace made me briefly think there was an Airheads 2. The bastard.

Graham (graham), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 18:31 (twenty-three years ago)

then of course there's the South Park movie, which should have won just about every award that year running

Word.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 18:35 (twenty-three years ago)

I know that Anthony Hopkins won best actor in a leading role for Silence of the Lambs with only 2 minutes of screen time or whatever, but at least there the film was kind of about him in that he was on all the posters and stuff (I haven't actually seen it) BUT. Daniel Day Lewis's character is surely second fiddle to Di Caprio's in GONY no? Just because he's a better actor. It devalues the whole concept of a supporting role if any standout ones go into the leading character category? I haven't seen GONY either, so apologies if I have got it wrong and he's in it all the time.

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 18:36 (twenty-three years ago)

Chicago was awful

the nomatations that needed to happen
Best Picture:
Far From Heaven
25th Hour
Bloody Sunday
About Schmidt

Foriegn:
City of God
Bloody Sunday

Best Supporting Actress:
Isabelle Huppert-The Piano Teacher
Denuve-8 Women
Bebe Neuworth-Tadpole

Best Actor:
Eminem- 8 Mile
Donald Sutherland-Aarat
Branugh-Rabbit Proof Fence

Best Supporting Actor-
Hugh Grant-About a Boy

anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:01 (twenty-three years ago)

About a Boy was really good. A lot better than HF, if you know what I mean.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:03 (twenty-three years ago)

and why didnt ffh get costume ?
and dennis qauid in it
and adam sandler in pdl

anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:04 (twenty-three years ago)

Surely Grant was more of a main actor than a supporting actor in About a Boy?

Nick A. (Nick A.), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:07 (twenty-three years ago)

well there was toni collette and then of course the boy whose name i have forgetten

anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:14 (twenty-three years ago)

they should just make up a category for Toni Collette and give her an Oscar every year. She's so, uh, sympathetic in every role. I always want to hug her and tell her everything's going to be okay, even when it obviously isn't (eg. her kid is hanging out with dead Bruno)

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:17 (twenty-three years ago)

No - for Catherine Keener. They should give her best supporting for Lovely & Amazing, anyway.

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:19 (twenty-three years ago)

"Chicago" was bad in the same way that crude oil is potable (ie, not at all).

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:32 (twenty-three years ago)

Wow, why so much Moulin Rouge hate around here? I thought it was easily one of the best films last year. Fantastic spectacle and a great ear for how pop songs own us.

Yes, but it had the worst story and plot of any film I've pretty much ever seen, and I've seen Riding With Death AND Air Bud. I literally just couldn't watch the damned thing. It was pretty to look at but I don't recall too much love for The Cell and that was based on the same principal: style and popart over the story.

Anyway, I don't know any of these movies, I spent all of Lord of the Rings throwing popcorn back and forth with my date, and hearing him wax poetic on Liv Tyler, and we discussed whether or not all those hobbit boys were dating. So I vote for that movie.

Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Ally, you will either LOVE or HATE "Chicago"; it's totally a toss-up. I mean, yeah Richard Gere, but he's playing a smarmy creep (something he's REALLY GOOD AT) and it's got MYA and QUEEN LATIFAH in it, plus the most superfluous use of Taye Diggs EVAH. And DAMN Catherine-Zeta Jones should do the Bebe Neuwirth and romp all over Broadway.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:35 (twenty-three years ago)

but Velma KElly needs to smoulder and convince everyone how dangeous and sexy she is, and CZJ doesnt at all.

plus the bathos laden mr cellophane and how absurd the tap dancing gere is.

look at how deep and impt the last kraft/ebb was, and tell me that you think that this is a 1/100th as good.

anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:52 (twenty-three years ago)

She absolutely does smoulder and she certainly convinced me she was dangerous and sexy! And another thing that she does well which I missed from the stage version is show the mounting desperation Velma feels as Roxie's profile goes higher and higher.

"Mr. Cellophane" can only be called "bathos-laden" if you think that Amos deserved the shoddy treatment he got from Roxie and Billy, and the whole tap-dancing thing, while not technically amazing, was really clever as far as integrating another aspect of the musical world into the narrative world. It was also Gere's second-best moment in the movie (the best being the press conference puppet routine).

I have no idea what you're talking about with "the last kraft/ebb" so I can't compare to "Chicago". I do know that I went into the movie knowing the show and knew it was going to be a lot of sex, dancing, and meanness mixed in with some stellar tunes andI wasn't disappointed.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:01 (twenty-three years ago)

Chicago's gonna win

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:03 (twenty-three years ago)

I was totally disappointed with that movie. Richard Gere is an unconvincing Peter Cetera.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:05 (twenty-three years ago)

FIRST OF ALL ITS A FUCKING FILM SO GET OFF THE STAGE.

second-czjs was safe, she didnt seem to have any danger at all.

third, all of the musical numbers were absurd- i wrote this for south side call box:
So the actors are bad, musicals are never about the acting-get to the singing and dancing. For a book and score that is supposed to be about evil, we sure get our fair share of absurdity and banality. The opening number “All That Jazz” manages to be decent and avoid making it into the usual nostalgia fest, but it runs down hill quickly from there. There is a 1920s burlesque that makes Queen Latifah’s regalness look tawdry. There is the Cell Block Tango, which in good productions combines the best of sex and death, but in this one manages to be boring and vaguely racist. There is John C Riley in “Mister Cellophane” as a literal sad clown on a rickety stage, who you feel sympathy for about six seconds, and then it disappears into Bathos. The previously mentioned Razzle Dazzle which has so many props there must have been a sale at the Generic Cliché Warehouse. Then, of course is the last number, with the two supposed murderesses playing themselves in a ritzy stage review, there is so little irony, and the camp is so accidental, it reminded me of an awards show.

anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:28 (twenty-three years ago)

DO NOT YELL AT ME FOR COMPARING THE FILM TO STAGE VERSIONS WHEN YOU COMPARED IT TO STAGE VERSIONS YOURSELF.

I disagree so completely with what you wrote it isn't even funny. The entire point of the movie is that the musical numbers (excepting the first one and the last one) are filtered through Roxie's warped idea of what a stage revue is like; she retreats from unpleasant and tense situations by turning them into stage productions a la Bjork in "Dancer In The Dark". Latifah's character is not meant to be moral or regal in any way shape or form and I don't see how you could think she was unless you looked at her name instead of watching what happened on the screen during the "real world" scenes that played underneath her song. I don't see how the Cell Block Tango can be seen as boring considering it has the best dancing in the movie, it's the best song in the production, and the cutting back-and-forth between the dance sequences and the real-life monologues were fantastic, and I REALLY don't see how it was racist. "Mr. Cellophane" does go on for too long and is the weakest part of the movie, but again the back-and-forth technique (which is really what impressed me about the movie and its approach to storytelling) held my interest. Criticizing "Razzle Dazzle" for excessive razzle-dazzle strikes me as criticizing a forest for having too many trees, and the last sentence starts out with such a glaring factual error ("the two SUPPOSED murderesses"? Where the hell do you get "supposed" from?) that there's no way that I'm going to agree with the conclusion you've drawn.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:06 (twenty-three years ago)

Also, when you're working with an absurd concept like a musical, where your characters burst into song and dance for no apparent reason, criticisms like "all of the musical numbers were absurd" are meaningless (even moreso when you then quote yourself saying that the first one was actually well done).

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:09 (twenty-three years ago)

i fucked up there and misread the film.
im sorry, i will see it again.

anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:30 (twenty-three years ago)

are you happy now Dan?

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:36 (twenty-three years ago)

FEAR MY MIGHTY PHALLUS.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:39 (twenty-three years ago)

That phrase is even funnier in a fight about musicals.

Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:41 (twenty-three years ago)

i dont know.
i still think the whole it was her delusions could be delinated better.
and i think that latifah, as queen of the cell block (maybe a stretch), should have been more regal.

as well i am not criticizing the razzle dazzle for its razzle dazzle but its poorly done razzle dazzle.

and the other scenes with gere, they are silly dan.

anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:47 (twenty-three years ago)

The puppet scene was totally brilliant and probably the best thing Gere has ever done. I was underwhelmed by the tapdance scene because, well, after six months _I_ could have danced that.

Latifah was "queen of the cell block" in the sense that she was the warden in charge of it who would do favors for people who did favors for her (be they money or otherwise; there's the scene in her office concerning Roxie's diary where she appears to be getting a little cozy with CZJ).

Gere wasn't as amazing as people seem to think he was (unless they just went in thinking "Gere is a gimp who won't be able to sing or dance despite having half a year to work on it before filming"), but I honestly think you're letting Gere-hate unfairly color the rest of the film.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:53 (twenty-three years ago)

The puppet scene was totally brilliant and probably the best thing Gere has ever done.

See, now I think of either Being John Malkovich or phallus puppetry.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Think more "BJM" than phallus punishment.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:55 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm not quite getting why Latifah should've been "regal" - the character in the stage production wasn't exactly Diana Princess of Wales either, so even in relation to the show itself that comment doesn't make any sense to me.

Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:56 (twenty-three years ago)

but the sex scene, the rolliong arround with chicks, the singlets.

and the puppets, im sorry it didnt move me.

anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:56 (twenty-three years ago)

TS: singlets vs. sniglets?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:58 (twenty-three years ago)

I am still pissed that Talk to Her didn't get nominated for best picture! If you're going to nominate Aldomovar for best director and best screenplay, why not just go ahead and nominate Talk to Her for best picture as well? Damn.

I'm so happy Spirited Away is nominated for best animated film. As much as I liked Lilo and Stitch, I hope Miyazaki gets to triumph over his evil Disney overlords! If so, I promise to do the Cabbage Patch dance.

Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 22:01 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm so happy Spirited Away is nominated for best animated film.

Hey, now that's a hoped-for victory I can really get behind if it comes true. Rah!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 22:08 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah, I really hope that wins more than anything else, but I bet Lilo & Stitch gets it. My hope though is that in order to vote in that category you have to see all the nominees and no way anyone who's seen Spirited Away could vote for Treasure Planet or Ice Age.

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 22:10 (twenty-three years ago)

i can also get behind spirited away

anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 22:19 (twenty-three years ago)

The only way anyone could vote for Treasure Planet or Ice Age in the first place is if they smoked crack. Lots and lots of crack.

Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 22:20 (twenty-three years ago)

maybe they really liked the happy meals

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 22:20 (twenty-three years ago)

HOORAY FOR CRACK

(Oh, you're talking about drugs...)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 22:25 (twenty-three years ago)

Damn you Dang, now I'm picturing Eisner's crack. Thanks a million!

Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 22:26 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm the best there at what I do (and what I do ain't pretty).

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 22:26 (twenty-three years ago)

haha I've not seen any of these films at all! Call myself a cineaste, silly arse more like, etc.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 23:28 (twenty-three years ago)

Damn you Dang, now I'm picturing Eisner's crack.

Jeez, you didn't have to actually share that image with us! *vomits*

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 23:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Spirited Away might be opening over here sometime soon. Unless it's entirely unlike a) everything everyone has said about it b) Princess Mononoke, I'd hope it wins, but I'd be happy with Lilo & Stitch.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 10:03 (twenty-three years ago)


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