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Jack the Ripper: The Definitive History
Paul Begg (Longman)

Soberly written by an actual historian, it's good on the political background — political turbulence inc.Fenian outrages, poor chain of command in police, newspaper campaigns against slums and child prostitution — and does its best to flesh out the victims as people, with families and past lives. No "definitive" solution offered as to identity, though he discusses several: Begg thinks the trail has gone cold, and that we'll never know.


Jack the Rippers: The Final Chapter
Paul H. Feldman (Virgin)

Journalistic — ie not very well written — but serious and thorough, it pursues the 1991 "Maybrick Diary", which common sense says is a recent forgery, but which forensic and historical analysis have nevertheless not yet unmasked. James Maybrick was a dissolute shipping merchant who died the year after the Whitechapel murders. His wife Florence was convicted of poisoning him, in a distinctly odd trial. Public outcry followed: first her death sentence was commuted, then — after 15 years — she was pardoned and freed. The judge was forced to retire after this case, and the Court of Appeal established as a result of the public fury. Maybrick was an arsenic addict: the journal purports to be an account of his evil secret life during 1888, when he discovered Florence was being unfaithful (he was in his 50s, she was in her 20s). In a way, though, the Ripper connection is a total McGuffin, in respect of what's interesting in Feldman's book — which is mainly a sketch of two present-day working-class Liverpool families, one descended from James's illegitimate children before the marriage, the other from Florence's ditto, the milieu from which the diary emerged, fake or real. Feldman, in his clumsy but sympathetic way, portrays people trying to live with a very terrible family event in their not-so-distant past: the complexity of feeling the great-grandchildren of children who had to live through the Maybrick trial (which was one of the Media Spectacles of the late 19th century) have towards it.

Portrait of a Killer: Jack the Ripper — Case Closed
Patricia Cornwell (Little Brown)

This book — written by a well-known author of procedural thrillers — is a disgrace, really. The case is only made by inference and innuendo, and certainly not closed. Walter Sickert, a renowned British artist, is indicted by virtue of being a cold cruel mysogynist who frequented East End music halls, some whose pictures seem unpleasant, creepy and violent towards women, who liked to bombard newspapers with letters, and — in the early 20th century — began to show an overt interest in the Ripper case. Also he kept his studios hideously untidy. Cornwell makes a suggestive case for the idea that a gifted artist was behind the surprisingly large number of communications the police received, letters, telegrams and postcards, between 1888 and the mid-1890s, from someone claiming to be Jack the Ripper (many of them use paint not ink, the "bloodstains" are painter's stain, the doodles and the variety of disguised handwritings suggest a skilled and horribly imaginative hand). She makes a very thin circumstantial case against Sickert being this artist; not even a sentence-worth's of case that the postcard writer was actually the murderer (the police at the time basically considered them to be nasty hoaxes). Her lightning sketch of Victorian London is confused and boringly moralistic: she also spends far too much time telling us how modern-day policing and forensics would have done a better job.

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 13 February 2003 13:02 (twenty-two years ago)

(why am i reading garbage like this: i think it keeps my mind off the war)

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 13 February 2003 13:03 (twenty-two years ago)

(oh also apparently as a small child sickert had a series of operations on his penis, possibly w/o anaesthetic, leaving it deformed and inoperative, maybe)

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 13 February 2003 14:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought it was a given Cornwell is a mentalist! Haven't you ever read any of her interviews?

Nicole (Nicole), Thursday, 13 February 2003 14:19 (twenty-two years ago)

no: i read abt four of her books, ages ago, but gave up after "hornet's nest", which doesn't feature scarpetta but does feature a v.fat person dying during an operation cz the surgeon can't find their vital organs quickly enough!!

i think PC (hah!) makes the most noise about counterpoising institutional feminist humanism against gothick sensationalism, but actually wrote the sleaziest and most exploitative book...

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 13 February 2003 14:24 (twenty-two years ago)

It was Ray McAnally!

Best quote by Daniel Farson (I think) - "When the world finds who jack the Ripper was, they will go 'who?'"

Dave B (daveb), Thursday, 13 February 2003 14:26 (twenty-two years ago)


a)sickertt is one of my favourite artists, and anything that gets his press
b)the penis thing didnt happen, and if it did can we get past all of this silly pseudo freduianism (cf hitler had one ball, osama had a deformed cock)
c)she destroyed a rather impt ws to get to this conculsion, immoral action at best.
d) she is a gr8 procedual/dectective fiction writer-why the fuck does the dectetive stuff here look so clumsy ?

anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 13 February 2003 14:54 (twenty-two years ago)

c)she destroyed a rather impt ws to get to this conculsion, immoral action at best.

She dismissed this by saying something to the effect of "Well I didn't like it, why all the fuss?".

Nicole (Nicole), Thursday, 13 February 2003 14:59 (twenty-two years ago)

d. baffled me quite a bit too, anthony - i am not a fan especially but i can see why ppl like and enjoy her scarpetta books — but of course the difference between fictional detectives and real-life detectives is that in fiction the author gets to decide whodunnit up-front and this is no problem, whereas if actual real detectives do this then they are simply BAD detectives

the cornwell book is a classic example of picking a suspect by prejudicial instinct — he is a nasty man/ugly artist — then selecting-warping-destroying the evidence to suit the theory

but her publisher shd have handed back the manuscript and said, "i'm sorry, PC, this will make you look like a terrible fool"

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 13 February 2003 15:10 (twenty-two years ago)

What is the word "ws" meaning in that sentence?

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 13 February 2003 15:12 (twenty-two years ago)

painting/drawing by walter sickert

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 13 February 2003 15:15 (twenty-two years ago)

actually i'm not sure what kind of artwork it was, possibly even a letter (it's not mentioned in the book at all)

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 13 February 2003 15:16 (twenty-two years ago)

It was a painting.

I watched the special on the Discovery Channel. They had a bunch of other Ripper experts saying "Cornwell's theory is just bonkers."

rosemary (rosemary), Thursday, 13 February 2003 15:21 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't know anyone who puts any faith into Cornwell's theory, except maybe rapid fans of her Scarpetta books maybe.

Nicole (Nicole), Thursday, 13 February 2003 15:24 (twenty-two years ago)

"ripper experts" as a type are not a winning bunch, it must be said

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 13 February 2003 15:26 (twenty-two years ago)

They had a bunch of other Ripper experts saying "Cornwell's theory is just bonkers."

Whereas their theories are HARD SCIENCE and RATIONAL and NOT BONKERS. At all.

Disappears into a puff of irony

Dave B (daveb), Thursday, 13 February 2003 15:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, yeah: Search Alan Moore.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 13 February 2003 15:42 (twenty-two years ago)

i feel much the same way abt moore as i do abt cornwell, really

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 13 February 2003 15:48 (twenty-two years ago)

shd i see "from hell"?

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 13 February 2003 15:53 (twenty-two years ago)

No. K-rub.

Dave B (daveb), Thursday, 13 February 2003 15:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, Moore is upfront about how there isn't a hope in hell of finding the answers after all the various theories have been bashed around for a century, so let's write an entertaining story about Masons and Hawksmoor instead.

From Hell: The book yes, the film I don't know. I get the impression it's a decent film (starring the world's cleanest victorian prostitutes), but as faithful to the original material as Total Recall.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 13 February 2003 15:56 (twenty-two years ago)

the theory that he was a doctor is not unconvincing - he did remove one of the victim's kidneys, kidneys being hard to find if you don't know where to look.

so obviously George Clooney did it.

DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 13 February 2003 16:37 (twenty-two years ago)

The From Hell film has good elements - grotty east end london, mainly. by changing the focus of the film (from the killer to the cop) it becomes a run of the mill policier in funny clothes. It's worth seeing after you've read the book.

the book is good for source material. Moore is upfront about what is made up by him and what is not.

DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 13 February 2003 16:39 (twenty-two years ago)

But the assertion that it was someone with medical knowledge was made by other doctors, on the basis that the ripper demonstrated anatomical knowledge. Surely the fact that in getting to the kidney, the entire abdominal cavity was mutilated indicates that they were all that, anatomically speaking = not so likely a doctor after all.

I don't know what the accessibility of medical textbooks was in them days, but someone who could read would surely be of equal suspicion. Which rules out most of London at the time potentially, which is brilliant detective work on my part.

Dave B (daveb), Thursday, 13 February 2003 16:41 (twenty-two years ago)

The movie is not so good. I watched the interviews with the directors, and they came off as rather annoying. "This scene we cut out was really cool. It had a naked lady in it. That would have been cool. But we had to cut it out."

rosemary (rosemary), Thursday, 13 February 2003 18:24 (twenty-two years ago)

"There never was a Jack the Ripper. Mary Kelly was just an unusually determined suicide."

thom west (thom w), Thursday, 13 February 2003 18:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Moore admitted (or, if you like, claimed) he wasn't really interested in playing detectives: the last part of From Hell is a thirty-page history of the Ripper pseudo-history. It's dealing with the idea of the murder as fiction, and the repurcussions this fiction has, and then going on what-if-the-ripper-actually-wanted-to-create-this-fiction-himself?

which is basically the grounds for a k-neato Victorian potboiler with Masonic conspiracy and a mad prophet killer who can see into the 20th century (enter Moore's current mysticism obsession, obviously) with cameos from i think everyone mentioned in this thread thus far; also oscar wilde, who i don't think has ever been fingered as a ripper suspect but so totally should have been somehow.

thom west (thom w), Thursday, 13 February 2003 19:18 (twenty-two years ago)

"also oscar wilde, who i don't think has ever been fingered"

uh..

thom west (thom w), Thursday, 13 February 2003 19:19 (twenty-two years ago)

like i said, i feel the same way abt moore as cornwell

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 13 February 2003 19:36 (twenty-two years ago)

From Hell Recipe:

- Stephen Knight's The Final Solution (for Masonic anti-Catholic Conspiracy)
- Thames TV's 1988 Michael Caine two-parter (For whittling down the 3 killer theory to two and adding some more texture and colour from London 1888)
- Nicholas Meyer's The Seven Percent Solution (for bringing together characters from the era into the same universe. Could also use the standard comic strategy of doing the same if 7% not available)
- Anything by Peter Ackroyd (for spirit of London resonating through the ages)

Stew inside the brain of a Northampton based mystic for several years and away you go.

Dave B (daveb), Thursday, 13 February 2003 19:38 (twenty-two years ago)

well, yes, but that sounds ace

thom west (thom w), Thursday, 13 February 2003 20:40 (twenty-two years ago)

The use of From Hell to Mark would be in the very detailed notes and reasoning in the back of it - although it's not a proposed solution, he tries to make it more or less work - and he does review the literature pretty thoroughly. Incidentally, Gosh opposite the British Museum have some allegedly damaged copies (only very slightly) at £10 at present.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 14 February 2003 00:10 (twenty-two years ago)

i think i'd possibly bother if he hadn't picked the k-lamest and most already-overdone line to redo

mark s (mark s), Friday, 14 February 2003 00:42 (twenty-two years ago)

this thread wd have been i. longer and ii. funnier if i had everywhere replace "jack the ripper" w. "jerry the nipper": discuss/ignore

mark s (mark s), Friday, 14 February 2003 17:07 (twenty-two years ago)

I didn't mean to imply that Alan Moore's attitude to whodunnit was in any way new or interesting (some of the ideas in it about why it doesn't matter are infinitely more interesting, I think). Alan and Eddie are both old pals of mine, but I'm not a big fan of From Hell. It does have a thorough literature review as a comic-form appendix, and the notes discuss what evidence and speculation there is pretty extensively, so you might find that interesting. I'll lend you my copy if you are interested in browsing those parts or something.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 14 February 2003 21:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Okay, so I am morbid. As Martin will confirm.

I thought I'd delurk and offer a URL that I think rebuts a number of Cornwell's points pretty effectively (inc. the genital stuff):

http://www.casebook.org/dissertations/dst-pamandsickert.html

My mom was interested in reading the book until I showed her a printout of the above. I thought the case was noticeably shaky even without seeing this, but putting it into perspective, it starts to look like a terrible waste of time, money and resources.

ChristineH, Friday, 14 February 2003 22:31 (twenty-two years ago)


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