A technical UNIX/OS X question (you have been warned).

Message Bookmarked

Bookmark Removed

I've just updated X11 on my mac and I want to know is I have to recompile X11 apps to take advantege of the improved features?

― Ed (dali), Friday, 14 February 2003 18:12 (twenty-two years ago)

My gut instinct is to say yes, but it depends on whether the new interfaces are binary-compatible with the old ones. If the signature hasn't changed, I don't tihnk you need to recompile.

This would not stop me from recompiling everything just to be sure, though.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 14 February 2003 18:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Re-compiling takes forever. I guess I should remove koffice because I don't use it. I haven't even kept the tar balls, for disk space reasons, which is a pain.

― Ed (dali), Friday, 14 February 2003 18:38 (twenty-two years ago)

For what it's worth, I didn't have to recompile anything when switching from Xfree86 to Apple's X11, but I also don't have anything major like Gimp or office installed (basically using it for Xephem)

― Chris Barrus (xibalba), Friday, 14 February 2003 18:52 (twenty-two years ago)

knode transfered across OK from XFree86 to X11, that' about the only semi important thing I run under x11 so I'll just download th tarball and have it lurking if things start to go screwy.

― Ed (dali), Friday, 14 February 2003 18:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Don't quote me on this, but I have a feeling that because X11 is network transparent you shouldn't have to recompile client software to handle a different X server. I mean, I can run an X application on my Linux desktop, or I can log in over the network from a Windows box running an X server, but the X programs on the Linux machine still work even though the X server displaying them is running a completely different OS. Switching between X implementations on a single machine should be no different.

― caitlin (caitlin), Friday, 14 February 2003 20:13 (twenty-two years ago)

But surely the XServer bit changes. It may be agnostic to the client side but not to the server side.

― Ed (dali), Friday, 14 February 2003 20:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, but because the client-side doesn't care you don't have to rebuild any clients. Wasn't that the original question?

― caitlin (caitlin), Friday, 14 February 2003 20:23 (twenty-two years ago)

But when client and server are on the same machine?

I'm possibly confused because I'm not entirely sure how X11 works.

― Ed (dali), Friday, 14 February 2003 20:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Even when client and server are on the same machine it should be OK, because they don't have to be on the same machine.

(NB: I've never used OS X, so I've never tried switching between different X implementations on the same machine. I can't see why you would need to recompile your clients, though.)

― caitlin (caitlin), Friday, 14 February 2003 20:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I must sit down at some point and learn the UNIX aspects of OSX properly at some point.

― Ed (dali), Friday, 14 February 2003 20:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Everything Caitlin has said rings true to me. I have been in Windows HELL for too long.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 14 February 2003 20:37 (twenty-two years ago)

caitlin is OTM

also, most apps should be dynamically linked against X libraries so if OSX has some SHM goodness for improving local app performance they'll be able to take advantage easily.

― Jonathan Williams (ex machina), Friday, 14 February 2003 20:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I had to install Windows XP on a machine at work today.

I FEEL SO DIRTY!!!

― caitlin (caitlin), Friday, 14 February 2003 20:48 (twenty-two years ago)

go my child and say thre hail Linus.

― Ed (dali), Friday, 14 February 2003 20:50 (twenty-two years ago)

uname -a ; cat /etc/redhat-release
Linux netwinder 2.2.14-20000612 #1 Mon Jun 12 18:08:37 EDT 2000 armv4l unknown
REBEL.COM NetWinder ARM
OfficeServer version 2.0 [Build 8]

tell me about it

― Jonathan Williams (ex machina), Friday, 14 February 2003 20:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Ed, how is the X11 working on your mac? Sigh...I would LOVE to get multiple desktops & my Xemacs on my mac, but I haven't even looked into downloading it yet. Is it pretty stable so far?

― lyra (lyra), Saturday, 15 February 2003 04:27 (twenty-two years ago)

when in doubt

rm -r

― BurmaKitty (BurmaKitty), Saturday, 15 February 2003 05:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Its very stable. I just run it with the standard quartz wm (OS X graphics acellerated if you have one of these wizzy new macs). It works great I don't use it for a great deal, personally I've always been a BBEdit person. But it gets used for knode (news). I have used it to log into the UNIX cluster at uni and run some fluent and ansys models which was great to do from a Mac.

Its not the only way of doing X11 on under OS X, before Apple X11 appeared I was using A combination os XFree86 and OroborOSX which worked very well.

Google XonX and you'll find other ways, both OroborOSX and Apple X11 are rootless, but maybe not necessarily.

― Ed (dali), Saturday, 15 February 2003 08:50 (twenty-two years ago)

can anyone recommend some geeky computer tech bbs? i actually enjoy reading this stuff even if i don't have a clue what you guys are talking about

― ron (ron), Saturday, 15 February 2003 18:05 (twenty-two years ago)

http://forums.macosxhints.com

― Ed (dali), Saturday, 15 February 2003 18:45 (twenty-two years ago)

and another one: http://www.macosx.com/forums/

― lyra (lyra), Saturday, 15 February 2003 21:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Ron, I'm a fucking sysadmin and I have no idea what this lot are on about. X11 just, um, works, even if it is a bit bandwidth hungry. This restore I'm doing at the moment bloody well doesn't though. I'm at work on a sunday at quarter to eleven. Shoot me now.

― SittingPretty (sittingpretty), Sunday, 16 February 2003 22:42 (twenty-two years ago)

six years pass...

Has anyone actually encountered the spindump process or seen it hog resources?

http://jamesreubenknowles.com/disable-spindump-71

It doesn't ever seem to be running on my system.

― caek, Wednesday, 10 June 2009 13:48 (sixteen years ago)

You must be logged in to post. Please either login here, or if you are not registered, you may register here.