I know very little about art...

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...but every time somebody posts random pictures or threads about certain artists I end up googling in thrall.

So: aside from going to museums (which I've already started doing), what resources (websites, books, etc) would you recommend to somebody who has little to zero knowledge about art history, etc?

mark p (Mark P), Saturday, 15 February 2003 16:07 (twenty-two years ago)

My start in art was browsing books that looked like this in the school library then reading the ones I liked the pictures in.

Mooro (Mooro), Saturday, 15 February 2003 16:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Browse the art section in libraries and bookstores. When you run into an artist whose work you think you may like, follow up with a web search. Spend a little time going to galleries and chat up the owners.

Aimless, Saturday, 15 February 2003 16:27 (twenty-two years ago)

You are asking the wrong person right here.

BurmaKitty's alterego did this website for two years:
http://www.sanfranciscoartmagazine.com

and she obviously knows NOTHING about art or history that you find in the libraries and bookstores.

BurmaKitty (BurmaKitty), Saturday, 15 February 2003 16:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not sure where you are (too many Marks, if such is possible), but here in the UK, besides libraries and regular bookstores, remainders shops have lots of good art books. I've come across one or two people who are a bit sneery about Taschen books (lots at cheap prices, including a lot of erotica), but all of the art books I've read by them are very good indeed, and they are wonderful bargains - I'm presently reading a gigantic Taschen history of sculpture, which so far is superb. If you want a wider introduction, the Thames & Hudson World Of Art series is pretty peerless, and it goes from individual artists to very wide and general books. Two writers who spring to mind as good starting places might be Herbert Read and Edward Lucie-Smith.

I'll try to give you more and more specific answers if you'd like to give a clue as to what you are gravitating towards and particularly interested in, but the spread from Greek statues to Renaissance painting to Japanese prints to conceptual installations is rather large.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 15 February 2003 16:43 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.sanfranciscoartmagazine.com/april/target.jpg

And if you don't know where to start, read these two first and I think you will see that art may not always be about what you think it thinks it's about.

STANNOUS FLOURIDE
http://www.sanfranciscoartmagazine.com/2001/june/stanflouride/stanflouride.html

ELLIOT LESSING
http://www.sanfranciscoartmagazine.com/2001/september/elliot/elliot.html

KEITH BOWDWEE
http://www.sanfranciscoartmagazine.com/2001/june/boadwee/boadwee.html

Ok, neither I nor the BurmaKitty wrote that one...it's actually a painter/artist reviewing a photographer.

Whatever you study in art, please don't forget to have fun with it ok. It's art, not economics...

oh, or is it???

BurmaKitty (BurmaKitty), Saturday, 15 February 2003 16:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Get a cup of coffee and hang out in a bookstore's art section going through books. The little "art book" things are nice and general. See what you like in those and look more in depth about the artist.

for photography here's a good website:

http://www.masters-of-photography.com/

A Nairn (moretap), Saturday, 15 February 2003 18:08 (twenty-two years ago)

I suppose it depends on your aims. All of the above suggestions are good. I endorse Burma Kitty's view of having fun.

If you just want a context and basic art historical literacy (by which I mean the Western canon of art as it taught to American undergraduates in art survey courses) the canonistic art history texts are:

Art: A History of Painting, Sculpture and Architectures by Frederick Hartt, and

History of Art by HW Jansen.

Of the two, I prefer Hartt.

These books are surveys of the received academic histories of art, from the Venus of Willendorf and cave paintings at Altamira to, I think, Rauschenberg and Schnabel, who were the most recent accepted canonistic artists at the time I did my degrees. Jansen is in the sixth edition, now, so I don't know who got in there since.

Academic art books, as I'm sure you have noticed, are extremely expensive because of the photos. I don't happen to think you need to own many of them. It's so much better to look at the art if you can. Going on some docent tours of the great museums of the world (I forget, are you in London?) will show you how much there is to know about the historical context of any given set of works (and will show you what civilizations deemed worthy of raping and pillaging from others over the centuries). But you can read about what's considered the famous artists and works of art and books like those provide a useful starting point for understanding historical references, which is so much a part of art, art criticism and art histories these days. I've noticed that some of the great musuems like the Metropolitana nd the Louvre have pretty good websites, too. You can see what they consider important in tehir collections.

Once you familiarize yourself with a basic framework of just what it is that people are talking about when they to refer to particular periods, artists or styles, other levels of art writing, like criticism and social histories may make a little more sense. Personally, I have an academic interest in the social history of art but when I go to galleries or museums I just look at stuff I like. I don't necessarily feel that my experience is diminished by ignorance, but if I like something, I often read up on it. I know almost nothing about contemporary art besides what people recommend.

It's art, not economics...

Ho, ho ho.

If you are interested in the modern economics of art and the sociology of the art-buying world, you can go to an art auction preview and/or an art auction itself. Christie's and Southeby's have regular auctions of "Important Impressionist Paintings" and many, many other categories of art. Not only will it be a rare opportunity to see art works that will spend most of the rest of the time in people's private collections but you can see the kind of people that buy art and how an auction works.

felicity (felicity), Saturday, 15 February 2003 18:34 (twenty-two years ago)

History of Art by HW Jansen.

This is the Art Hist. 101 Antiquity to 1800 book at my old school. Very dense, pretty color pictures, and a 100.000 purchase.

jm (jtm), Saturday, 15 February 2003 18:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Delete a zero

jm (jtm), Saturday, 15 February 2003 18:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha, I was buying cigarettes on New Year's Eve and the cashier accidentally rang me up for $8,500,000.00. I just loved that, how the cash register machine saw no problem with that at all.

felicity (felicity), Saturday, 15 February 2003 18:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Anyway, I saw on Amazon that you can get Hartt used in paperback for $61.00. I guess it wouldn't be a bad investment, if you had to buy just one art book.

felicity (felicity), Saturday, 15 February 2003 18:45 (twenty-two years ago)

>>>>>>>>>History of Art by HW Jansen.
This is the Art Hist. 101 Antiquity to 1800 book at my old school. Very dense, pretty color pictures, and a 100.000 purchase.
-- jm (jimmythemo...), February 15th, 2003.<<<<<<

oh my, I have several copies of this text book...they cost me from two to eight bucks each. If you live in a college town, you can probably find a two dollar copy at a book store nearby...just don't go to the college bookstore, they will be selling the current or near current copy. you probably wouldn't need that.

BurmaKitty (BurmaKitty), Saturday, 15 February 2003 19:19 (twenty-two years ago)

JANSEN IS SHIT.
EVIL EVIL SHIT.

honor and fleming are better, but still so old they might as well die.

I like and use:
Gardner's Art Through the Ages, 10th edition
Hall, Dictionary of Subjects and Symbols in Art
Stokstad, Marilyn. Art History
Living with Art Rita Gilbert
these are survey texts, and not w/o their problems.

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 15 February 2003 19:34 (twenty-two years ago)

honor and fleming are better, but still so old they might as well die.

their names already sound like some old vaudeville act.

we had them at art school...as textbooks. I think they're good up till the 20th century. From then on it's better to have a more specialised a book if you're really interested.

Taschen is good.

erik, Saturday, 15 February 2003 20:11 (twenty-two years ago)

BUT SERIOUSLY

the ONLY book anyone should be recommending is Roger Shattuck's "The Banquet Years"

probably my fave book evah!

BurmaKitty (BurmaKitty), Saturday, 15 February 2003 20:29 (twenty-two years ago)

They do different things.

Personally, I like Arnold Hauser, A Social History of Art series, but it doesn't have many pictures.

felicity (felicity), Saturday, 15 February 2003 21:11 (twenty-two years ago)

My intro to Art History class used "The Story of Art" by E.H. Gohmbrich. It is another big, general book but it is rather cheap. It is an older book and is not informed by more recent ideological battles. It was a good book for me because I tend to prefer being conversant with cannons before I critique them.

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Saturday, 15 February 2003 21:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm very impressed by Taschen's 'Art At The Turn of the Millenium':

http://www.taschen.com/pages/en/catalogue/books/art/all/reviews/1/02911.htm

What it lacks in depth it makes up for in width and wisdom of selection.

I should declare an interest: I had dinner with Bernard Taschen once, and got commissioned to write some texts for one of his books!

Momus (Momus), Saturday, 15 February 2003 21:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Museums will actually be some of your best resources toward other stuff. Go up to someone who works there and say "I really like the following three things you've got here: X, Y and Z. How can I find out more about them?" Believe me, they'll be delighted to point you in the right direction.

Douglas (Douglas), Sunday, 16 February 2003 00:18 (twenty-two years ago)

i like taschens big two volume survey modernism too.
if i teach a 20th century course, it will be text.

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 16 February 2003 00:30 (twenty-two years ago)

If you have a college nearby, they probably have an art library- you should ask if you can get access to read books from it (they might not let you check them out if you're not a student, but you could flip through them there...). My college had a *great* art library-- lots of the $90 big art books with full page reproductions of works, so probably 99% of what I know about art came from checking books out from there. Anyway, see if you can get access to one.

lyra (lyra), Sunday, 16 February 2003 01:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I defer to anthony in all matters of AH textbooks. I'll still say that Jansens has some of the better pictures.

jm (jtm), Sunday, 16 February 2003 07:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I second E. H. Gombrich, my personal favorite art critic (partly because he largely abdicated the role of "critic" as it's currently understood). The Story of Art is his bestseller, and it's a doozy, but even better are his collections on the functions of art throughout history such as Meditations on a Hobby Horse and The Uses of Images. There are no books I can recommend more highly.

Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 17 February 2003 06:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Start by watching Orson Welles' film "F is for Fake".

logjaman, Monday, 17 February 2003 07:49 (twenty-two years ago)

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/3775712542.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

gareth (gareth), Monday, 17 February 2003 07:51 (twenty-two years ago)

take logjamons suggestion

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 17 February 2003 07:55 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.geocities.com/logjaman/homeo_mameo.jpg

logjaman, Monday, 17 February 2003 08:05 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.geocities.com/logjaman/nihonga.jpg

logjaman, Monday, 17 February 2003 08:24 (twenty-two years ago)

O...my monitor screen

is dirty, I can't see clearly, the

last picture it

looks cool...is it thai? I'm flicking through Art at Turn Of Millenium at the moment. http://www.artmag.com/galeries/est/prazdela/vallance.jpg it helps with the curtains
closed maybe...mwah

erik, Monday, 17 February 2003 09:01 (twenty-two years ago)


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