Camille Paglia

CP/JB problem — they enjoy their confidence and deep down fear that facts (and thus admissions of error or uncertainity) wd violate it. They wouldn't. I no longer read Burchill because I know I will *never* learn anything new from her.

Facts are the beautiful fuzzy-buzzy bees on the splintered sodomising stick of life- experience.

I think i learn about things by confrantation br tell me i am wrong.

She has a good way w/ words too, but I agree w/DQ that JuiLeEEEeEEE kix0red her ass in that fax war (snaps fingers) link, someone?

x0x0

Requited Powerlust Makes U Stupid: discuss

A reason I quite like her: she talks FASTER than anyone else evah inc. martin scorsese. (This wd be rubbish of course if you were taking notes, which oddly enuff i never have been...)

As for the personal opinion...I'm all for personal opinions in the classroom...but I think it has to cut both ways. Paglias lectures were models of fascist note taking...student questions (let alone their opinions) were actively disdained.

I know some upperclassmen (I was but a wee, timid freshman at the time with only a vague understanding of who Ms. Paglia was) signed up with the express intention of being able to challenge her on her assumptions...

She made it ver' clear from the first off that it was not to be...any challenges were answered with supremely manicured rhetorical rejoinders, crafted from years of having the same students ask the same things, designed to cow those who had obviously yet to develop their own argumentative skillz, rather than someone on her "own level"...a cheap and tawdry attitude, innit?

Of course what finally made me drop the course was her ossified opines on pop cultcha...blah.

Hi, Im not a big fan of Camille Paglia, and I don't paticularly agree with most of her views... The one's Ive heard about at any rate... I only have a superficial knoledge of her ideas... The reason Im asking about her is that she seems to me to be a very interesting, entertaining "Character"... Stimulating and controversial and provocative even when you disagree with her... Which of her books would you recommend? Thanks...

came across an old issue of Motorbooty the other day, the one with this in it. Probably my favoritest ever piece about Camille.
http://images.tcj.com/2011/12/Mbooty6-a-650x866.jpg

Why women hate her: They misunderstood her views on rape.
Why men hate her: They misunderstood her views on rape.

LOL

"misunderSTAND" - man, I need a new RX.

There was a time (specifically the time when I was 18) when I loved CP. I think maybe I'd fell differently if I read her again today.

Once she even sabotaged a colleague's article, replacing the word "epistomology" with the word "buttmeat" wherever it appeared.

sabotaged/improved

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/taylor-swift-katy-perry-hollywood-398095

kee-rist

Some good stuff there I reckon.

Although now 28, Katy Perry is still stuck in wide-eyed teen-queen mode. Especially after the train wreck of her brief marriage to epicene roué Russell Brand, her dazzling smiles are starting to look as artificial as those of the aging, hard-bitten Joan Crawford. Perry’s prolific hit songs, saturating mainstream radio, hammer and yammer mercilessly. She’s like a manic cyborg cheerleader, obliviously whooping it up while her team gets pounded into the mud.

epicene roué Russell Brand, her dazzling smiles
epicene roué Russell Brand, her dazzling smiles

Actually, I really appreciate the "image" of Perry and Swift, to an extent. They're pretty, but not model-pretty, and yet they've essentially been upgraded to the level of model-pretty. Which in turn sends the message that you don't have to be exotic, or tall, or massively skinny or whatever, to be considered model-pretty. The downside, of course, is that even more kids will now likely aspire to be model-pretty, when they lack the massive, moneyed stylist teams of Swift and Perry.

I think Paglia is more concerned with commenting on their public personas than quibbling about how pretty they are.

Probably. I didn't realize Taylor Swift had a public persona, I guess. That's when she clutches her face like Culkin in "Home Alone," right?

this woman remains the worst teacher i ever had in my life.

on the other hand, she was incredibly easy to scam into thinking i actually dropped her class rather than just stopped showing up.

she is so god damn dumb

all strongo had to do to get an A was wear a cone bra, sing "Erotica," and speak knowledgeably about Emily Dickinson's erotic daydreams.

With her multicultural roots (a Bahamian father and a Louisiana Creole mother), Beyonce draws on the emotional depths of black gospel as well as the brazen street sass of hip-hop, which produced her formidable persona of Sasha Fierce. Urban rappers’ notorious sexism seems to have made black female performers stronger and more defiant. But middle-class white girls, told that every career is open to them and encouraged to excel at athletics, are faced with slacker white boys nagged by the PC thought police into suppressing their masculinity -- which gets diverted instead into video games and the flourishing genre of online pornography.

i mean, i just, i can't

Beyonce draws on the emotional depths of black gospel as well as the brazen street sass of hip-hop, which produced her formidable persona of Sasha Fierce. Urban rappers’ notorious sexism seems to have made black female performers stronger and more defiant

I don't have a doctorate or even tenure but this is the kind of intellectual train wreck that isn't even worth parsing

Taylor Swift and Katy Perry are totally both "model-pretty."

would kind of love to watch her carrying out her research on the popular urban milieu, need to study her methods

would love to watch her vogue wearing cone bras in a lecture hall

sadly it's not nearly so horrifyingly entertaining, alfred

"Dyke Godess or Paid by the Minute Provactuer ?" = classic anthony easton

(sp?)

remember when she had that thing about how Sarah Palin was really smart and we're just all too sexist to see it

"Dyke Godess or Green Godess ?"

from the valley of the giant green godess

classic mark s:

Facts are the beautiful fuzzy-buzzy bees on the splintered sodomising stick of life- experience.

http://www2.macleans.ca/2013/11/16/camille-paglia-on-rob-ford-rihanna-and-rape-culture/

still worth saying: what a terrible thinker and person

The problem here is the inability of women to project themselves into the minds of men. Feminists say [proper, mocking tone] “women have the right to do whatever they want.” Of course we have the right to do whatever we want–to be jogging with earphones on with our breasts going like this [simulates breasts bouncing]. Yes you have the right to but it’s also stupid! I see with the eyes of the criminal. I must have a criminal mind.

No, and i don't have cable, so they're evaluated through my indirect observation. Like all those awful comedy movies whose trailers i've seen.

She's posting on NextDoor now.

http://www.quartzcity.net/ilx/paglia_nextdoor.jpg

Very good.

The feud between Susan Sontag and Camille Paglia captured on camera here in 1993 (on public TV) is so painfully entertaining it's impossible to look away. pic.twitter.com/zG2Omoo8F6

— Benjamin Carlson (@bfcarlson) June 26, 2023

omg the best
the original “I don’t know her”

The full Christopher Lydon interview with Sontag is hilarious - she hates all his questions

Ha, just watched that hilarious clip, what a couple of assholes.

And yet I deeply miss this era of assholery

Wow at Paglia, if she was a bar of chocolate she’d eat herself.

She hasn't lost those peculiar vocal mannerisms.

"But doctor, I am Paglia, C"

She hasn't lost those peculiar vocal mannerisms.

interesting that despite not otherwise sharing a dialect she has the exact same "okay?" disorder as quentin tarantino

Thread of missing random Sontag or Morbius sightings at film screenings.

"But doctor, I am Paglia, C"

interesting that despite not otherwise sharing a dialect she has the exact same "okay?" disorder as quentin tarantino

I noticed that too!

Hence, "Like a Virgin."

omg the best
the original “I don’t know her”

Another great one, from 1970, when Mickey Mantle was asked about Jim Bouton's upcoming book Ball Four: "Jim who?" Mantle was a teammate of Bouton's from 1962-68. (Bouton ended up using the quote on the back cover of the paperback edition of Ball Four.)

"She's not into Rock. And she's been passed."

Sontag was giving off Martin Short vibes

https://gfycat.com/bitterenormousant

omg

not even a little defensive and hurt. all grace and poise, our Camille P

Exactly

"She's not into Rock."

Paglia stopped posting on NextDoor once the pandemic started. Too bad, her posts fit very much into the shrill "I'm not a gentrifier, you're the gentrifier - I was here first" posting style common to NextDoor.

She hasn't lost those peculiar vocal mannerisms.

― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 27 June 2023 bookmarkflaglink

A lot of ppl were saying she's ok coke but yes she always a peculiar delivery.

It was odd for Paglia to tell Sontag to turn on the TV. Sontag has pretty much never done that.

this one reads like self-parody

https://www.salon.com/2016/03/31/camille_paglias_history_of_music_the_politics_and_poetry_of_bob_dylan_marvin_gaye_and_hip_hop/

But Dylan’s true masterpiece, in my view, is “Desolation Row”, the more than 11-minute song that closes Highway 61 Revisited (1965). I submit that this lyric is the most important poem in English since Allen Ginsberg’s Howl (which influenced it) and that it is far greater than anything produced since then by the official poets canonized by the American or British critical establishment. The epic ambition, daring scenarios, and emotionally compelling detail of “Desolation Row” make John Ashbery’s multiple prize-winning Self-Portrait in a Convex Mirror (1975) look like the verbose, affected academic exercise that it is. I have written elsewhere (in regard to the selection process for my book on poetry, Break, Blow, Burn) of my rejection of the pretentious pseudo-philosophizing of overpraised contemporary poets like Harvard’s Jorie Graham, none of whom come anywhere near the high artistic rank of Bob Dylan.

like, this shit. this is one the most-used arrows in her quiver and it's the most tiresome thing, she did it in I think Sexual Personae when she was big-upping Spenser, she had this whole "Faerie Queene is OP, Milton SUCKS!!!" thing but she takes pages & pages to say it and it's like the most adolescent level of discourse, which trolls me severely because I was exactly like this as an adolescent -- I couldn't tell you about the things I liked without telling you how much BETTER it was than x, y, or z, and waking up from that way of thinking basically opened the entire world of ideas to me but this will never happen for our La Paglia

That article is longer than “Desolation Row” and “Percy’s Song” put together, with a few more things thrown in for good, um, measure.

My immediate target was our music majors in both the classical and jazz programs. Many young guitarists and drummers were playing in bar bands and trying to develop their own material

I still think she's turned in one of the few truly memorable BFI monographs

hm

Was it for or about The Birds?

Laughing at my own joek(s) now.

Which is either pvmic, too much time on ILX or apropos for the Camille Paglia thread.

this one reads like self-parody

There is no self

#onethread

Was it for or about The Birds?

― Looking For Mr. Goodreads (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, June 28, 2023 8:34 AM (forty-two minutes ago) bookmark

lol

Here's her cutting-edge S&S '22 ballot fwiw:

https://www.bfi.org.uk/sight-and-sound/greatest-films-all-time/all-voters/camille-paglia

Vertigo	1958	Alfred Hitchcock
Gone with the Wind	1939	Victor Fleming
La dolce vita	1960	Federico Fellini
Lawrence of Arabia	1962	David Lean
The Godfather	1972	Francis Ford Coppola
The Godfather Part II	1974	Francis Ford Coppola
Persona	1966	Ingmar Bergman
The Ten Commandments	1956	Cecil B. DeMille
Ben-Hur	1959	William Wyler
Blowup	1966	Michelangelo Antonioni

i'm still gently entertained by Camille P but, y'know, an aesthetic is something one adopts in lieu of active personhood

More like a butter knife.

xp obv

Sontag basically gives up on the interview after the Paglia question

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Mmi03G5oV0

CP talking about SS from this vantage point has converged to the Bono “four kids from Ireland” trope.

Gonna have to read the Paglia section of the Moser Sontag bio (if it exists)

the Bono “four kids from Ireland” trope.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOzk2RYovVk

Gonna have to read the Paglia section of the Moser Sontag bio (if it exists)

A couple of sections really.

Seems like they must have met/corresponded at least once for a talk at Bennington in 1973, according to this Moser interview

LB: Sontag’s visit to Bennington on October 4, 1973 was a legendary disaster. Sontag arrived two hours late, she read a short story that bored everyone to tears instead of giving the lecture that everyone expected, she was a difficult guest. Was this typical of her public appearances at the time, or is Paglia exaggerating?

BM: I think that if you read through the lines of the piece, it sounds more like a boring lecture that disappointed people than a legendary disaster. People very often expected far more of Sontag than she was able to provide, and the clash between these expectations and the reality of the actual person was often memorable. It seems, from Paglia’s descriptions, that Sontag was simply tired, and that the story she read was boring. It also appears that Sontag was very nice to Paglia personally – and don’t forget that Bernard Malamud seems to have gone out of his way to insult her.

http://www.literarybennington.com/literary-bennington/paglia-v-sontag-the-literary-rivalry-that-began

Yes, they met and hung out afterwards, when Sontag finally let her hair down a bit became Susan, but they didn’t quite bond to Camille’s satisfaction. Sontag later pretended not to know her for that interview, which is also discussed.