Americans tell me about sales tax

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How does it work in the states? Over here VAT is 17.5% and almost always included in the price you see.

I particularly want to know what happens if you mail order something from somewhere like say Tennessee and have it delivered to NYC.

Ed (dali), Saturday, 22 February 2003 13:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Sales tax is mandated on a state-by-state basis. I'm in Oregon where we don't have sales tax. If you mail order something from Tennessee I don't think you have to pay sales tax on it unless you are mailing it to an address in Tennessee. I could be wrong, but if I am, any applicable sales tax should be spelled out on your order form...tax is rarely automatically included in the price you see.

Ryan McKay (Ryan McKay), Saturday, 22 February 2003 14:20 (twenty-two years ago)

If you mail-order out-of-state, and your state has a sales tax, technically, you must file a form declaring your purchase and pay the tax directly to yourte government. Maybe two or three Ned Flanders types actually do this. With the increase in mail-order due to the interenet, states have lost a lot of sales tax income, so they keep floating an "internet" tax idea to cover this.

State sales taxes are around 5%-10%.

fletrejet, Saturday, 22 February 2003 15:02 (twenty-two years ago)

so if I had something deliver to NYC from TN I wouldn't 'have' to pay sales tax on it especially seeing as it would be picked up and broughr back to the UK almost immediately.

Ed (dali), Saturday, 22 February 2003 15:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Maybe two or three Ned Flanders types actually do this.

Hi diddly ho!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 22 February 2003 15:50 (twenty-two years ago)

You live with TWO Americans, and you need to ask random strangers about sales tax?

It varies from state to state and sometimes even from county to county and city to city. When you're paying yer 7 percent or yer 8 and a half percent, that may be a combination of state tax, county tax and city tax. (There is no federal sales tax, I don't think so...)

Different states have different regulations about whether you have to pay tax on items you purchase in states other than the one in which you live. For instance, Oregon and New Hampshire have no sales tax, so if you go there to buy yer stuff, you get it at face value. But if you *mail order* (again, depending on your state) you have to pay your local taxes.

It's been pointed out that in NYC, you even have to pay tax on window shopping.

kate, Saturday, 22 February 2003 16:24 (twenty-two years ago)

One 'American' was asleep the other had her nose buried in a book.

But specifically TN to NYC what are the implications.

Ed (dali), Saturday, 22 February 2003 17:07 (twenty-two years ago)

"I'm in Oregon where we don't have sales tax."

Similarly I'm Delaware where there is no sales tax.
I may be wrong but I think these are the only two states without any sales tax. Many people from New Jersey, Maryland or Pennsyilvania come to Delaware to do their shopping.

A Nairn (moretap), Saturday, 22 February 2003 17:11 (twenty-two years ago)

I would think if you're in NYC, and you mail order something from Tennessee, you don't have to worry about paying sales tax, unless you're of the Ned Flanders family of course.

How big of an item are we talkin', Ed? A car? A house? A ferret?

donut bitch (donut), Saturday, 22 February 2003 17:38 (twenty-two years ago)

One of these
http://www.macmidimusic.com/products/full/1866.gif

Ed (dali), Saturday, 22 February 2003 17:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Suzi Quattro in a box. Neat!

donut bitch (donut), Saturday, 22 February 2003 17:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Ah. Then we can take photos of Suzy holding it, so Martin S. can perve out in happiness!

kate, Saturday, 22 February 2003 17:43 (twenty-two years ago)

There you go, Ed. Even IF there's sales tax, I'm sure Martin will make up the difference.

donut bitch (donut), Saturday, 22 February 2003 17:44 (twenty-two years ago)

For your purposes, Ed, it will likely depend on the policies of whoever you're mail-ordering it from. Some follow the rules more strictly than others.

But yes, sometimes you can save a bunch on sales tax by having something you bought shipped out of state rather than just walking away with it cash & carry. The best is when you call up a store in Canada and have them ship to you in the US because U.S. Customs is supposed to track you down for the duty but I am still waiting for them to find me.

felicity (felicity), Saturday, 22 February 2003 17:46 (twenty-two years ago)

In the UK its the carrier, eg. fedex, who have to track you down and from experience I can say that they come after you with nasty letters from lawyers.

Ed (dali), Saturday, 22 February 2003 17:52 (twenty-two years ago)

ooh that sounds unpleasant. I salute the U.S. Postal Sevice.

felicity (felicity), Saturday, 22 February 2003 17:58 (twenty-two years ago)

(for not being bothered to come look for me, that is)

felicity (felicity), Saturday, 22 February 2003 17:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I think Tennessee and New York City have the highest sales tax rates in the country. I'm going to Tenn next week, whoot.

Tennessee might be at 10% now. And it applies to groceries, a really repellently regressive tax. Different states have tax exempt items-- like clothes, medicine, and food, and a few states like Oregon, Delaware, and New Hampshire have no sales tax.

Benjamin, Saturday, 22 February 2003 18:14 (twenty-two years ago)

HAHA Tennessee - it's the new Alabama (I shd know)

Millar (Millar), Saturday, 22 February 2003 18:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Also I think the same rule applies to ordering on the internet. If I order something from Amazon.com, there is no Amazon store in New York so there's no sales tax, but if I order from Barnes & Noble online I have to pay sales tax because there are B&N stores in my state.

Maria (Maria), Saturday, 22 February 2003 18:25 (twenty-two years ago)

ed,

if macmidimusic.com has any operational facilities (distrubion center/warehouse/retail showrooms/corporate offices/sattelite offices) in new york then you will pay sales tax. if not, then no sales tax.

gygax!, Saturday, 22 February 2003 18:39 (twenty-two years ago)

this is insane!!

(george iii is vindicated again: boston teaparty HAH!!)

mark s (mark s), Saturday, 22 February 2003 18:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Also what's a good price comparison site for something like that.

Ed (dali), Saturday, 22 February 2003 19:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, what exactly IS the Quattro, now that I'm looking at it? It looks vaguely home studio/live tronic stylee.

donut bitch (donut), Saturday, 22 February 2003 19:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Its four balanced audio ins and outs and two midi outs for usb. They're about £300 in the UK.

Ed (dali), Saturday, 22 February 2003 19:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh... *sings* E-E-E-D!!

$259US. And they're in Medford, Oregon too. Sales tax0r? PAH!

donut bitch (donut), Saturday, 22 February 2003 19:33 (twenty-two years ago)

but just remember ed/db,

it's not WHERE the company is located, it's where the product is being delivered... if, say, musiciansfriend.com has a regional distribution center in new york, then sales tax is applicable.

gygax!, Saturday, 22 February 2003 19:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, true true. Even though, shiitake, $259US + 10% is $285US. After shipping, maybe a little over $300US. Still, OUTRAGEOUSLY better than 300 pounds.

donut bitch (donut), Saturday, 22 February 2003 19:47 (twenty-two years ago)

especially better than 300 pounds plus 17.5% VAT, for fuck's sake.

donut bitch (donut), Saturday, 22 February 2003 19:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Of course, the better solution is make more friends in Oregon, Delaware, and New Hampshire.

donut bitch (donut), Saturday, 22 February 2003 19:50 (twenty-two years ago)

£300 includes 17.5% VAT

Ed (dali), Saturday, 22 February 2003 21:50 (twenty-two years ago)

so has anyone mentioned tyco yet?

James Blount (James Blount), Saturday, 22 February 2003 22:38 (twenty-two years ago)

?

Ed (dali), Saturday, 22 February 2003 22:39 (twenty-two years ago)

That makes James seem like the Riddler.

felicity (felicity), Saturday, 22 February 2003 22:41 (twenty-two years ago)

It's been pointed out that in NYC, you even have to pay tax on window shopping.

This doesn't make sense - am I the only person aware of the no sales tax on purchases under $150 thing in NYC? At grocery stores or drug stores or restaurants there is tax, but like clothes and shit is tax free.

And our sales tax is 8.25% when it is applicable - which isn't that high, when I lived in Arizona it was not much different. I think NJ is higher though maybe that's their income tax that's much higher than NY's.

All order forms when you order from a catalog explain which states you have to pay taxes in, and how much you have to pay if applicable. Which involves math and other annoyances.

Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 23 February 2003 03:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Washington state has 8.75% sales tax. Then again, we don't have to pay a state tax.

donut bitch (donut), Sunday, 23 February 2003 03:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I have to pay 8% sales tax, which isn't much lower than the NYC one (it just got raised this year)

Maria (Maria), Sunday, 23 February 2003 03:56 (twenty-two years ago)

the better solution is make more friends in Oregon, Delaware, and New Hampshire.

But what if they don't want to make friends?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 23 February 2003 03:59 (twenty-two years ago)

NJ sales tax is 6% (certain parts of Jersey City have only 3%).

rosemary (rosemary), Sunday, 23 February 2003 04:12 (twenty-two years ago)

New York is high! VA is what, 4.5?

Mary (Mary), Sunday, 23 February 2003 05:56 (twenty-two years ago)

so noone mentioned tyco? anyhow, the whole tyco scandal kicked off when the ceo was investigated for tax evasion - sales tax evasion. he purchased several impressionist paintings in nyc, and then had some paperwork drawn up to show the paintings as having been shipped to new hampshire, hence no sales tax (it would've been several hundred thousands of dollars in sales tax), even though they were just shipped up the street to his apartment (some empty boxes were shipped to a tyco office in new hampshire). unfortunately the paperwork said 'paintings shipped to New Hampshire, so no sales tax to be charged for these paintings, wink wink' (and I am not exaggerating - the words 'wink wink' appeared in the memo). they've ended up discovering alot besides this but it was the sales tax evasion that kicked it off.

James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 23 February 2003 07:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Is that "no tax on clothes under $150" thing new? Coz it sure wasn't the case when I lived in NYC! Sure, there would be tax-free weeks and stuff to encourage everyone to go shopping and boost the economy, but I could never afford to buy anything during them. :-(

kate, Sunday, 23 February 2003 09:35 (twenty-two years ago)

i am dizzy, somebody hold me

(sf cali sales tax still lingering at 8.75 regardless of what you're wearing, how much is being purchased, &c. &c.)

gygax!, Sunday, 23 February 2003 10:39 (twenty-two years ago)

athens, ga is 7% I think

James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 23 February 2003 10:41 (twenty-two years ago)

something that should be noted also if it hasn't already is that (in georgia at least) groceries are not taxed at the same rate

James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 23 February 2003 10:42 (twenty-two years ago)

In the UK there is no VAT on Food for consumption off the premises,( i.e. groceries and take aways), children's' clothes, books and newspapers and its at a lower rate on fuel and electricity, (although the duty vehicle fuel is very high).

Ed (dali), Sunday, 23 February 2003 10:59 (twenty-two years ago)

i could be way off base but i'm under the presumption that ed will not be orally consuming the quattro.

(i would orally consume suzy quattro de mayo)

gygax!, Sunday, 23 February 2003 11:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Not collecting sales tax on clothes (under $110) was largesse resulting from the good old days a couple years ago. Now "no job killing taxes" Pataki is going to reinstate the sales tax on clothes-- but not the commuter tax.

Benjamin, Sunday, 23 February 2003 17:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, Kate, the tax free weekends were such a smash and then there was also the ph34r of people departing to New Jersey to do their shopping that they initiated the under 100 no sales tax on clothing, yippeee!

Mary (Mary), Sunday, 23 February 2003 20:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh well, back to clothes shopping In NJ again. Who wants to go to Garden State Plaza (oh no! Bergen County Blue Laws! Oh no!)

My home county in NYS has no state sales tax on clothes but it does have county sales taxes.

rosemary (rosemary), Sunday, 23 February 2003 21:17 (twenty-two years ago)

When will this jihad on tax-free clothes shopping occur, Ben? What does Garden State Plaza have, RM?

Mary (Mary), Monday, 24 February 2003 00:35 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.spaceruk.com/images/quatro.jpg

N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 24 February 2003 00:41 (twenty-two years ago)

It's part of the budget proposal for the next fiscal year so if the legislature passes the budget on time, probably July 1. But the budget is always, always late, so there's no rush to save your 8.25%.

Benjamin, Monday, 24 February 2003 00:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Mary, last time I was there (in 1998) they had a Sanrio store.

rosemary (rosemary), Monday, 24 February 2003 03:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Damn NJ gets all the love...

Mary (Mary), Monday, 24 February 2003 05:02 (twenty-two years ago)

the better solution is make more friends in Oregon, Delaware, and New Hampshire.

DB only likes me because there's no sales tax where I live. ::pout::

Chris P (Chris P), Monday, 24 February 2003 05:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Sheesh - Florida has sales tax and Orlando/Orange/Osceloa county(s) have a horrible "tourism tax" that gets applied to basically anything it is presumed that tourists might want to do, which means we (temporary!) locals have to pay that tax, too, and that is horrible because it's punishing us for living here even more than we're already punished.

Also, one of the unforseen side benefits of living in a state with no state tax is that there is no money for the removal of roadkill. None. I mean it. I used to decide which way I'd drive to and from work based on what was decomposing on the side (or in the middle, in may cases) of the road. Basics: racoons, armadillos, possums, turtles and tortoises, cats, dogs, and wild pigs. Oh, and of course, a number of scavening birds, too, who stake-out their dinners in the middle of the road and refuse to move for the oncoming cars. Occasionally there are more exotics, such as the cow I saw the other day. I'm hoping that one is removed by tomorrow, else I'm going to resort to driving blindfolded and therefore will not be responsible for any accidents that I am involved in and/or cause.
I HATE THIS STATE! (Also: lack of education funds; absurdly low-pay for teachers; bad roads; lack of street-lights and traffic lights; bars and strip-clubs and pawn shops next to churches; the "Deanna's Bait, Tackle, and Tattoo" shop...well, okay, the latter two things are kind of funny.)

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Monday, 24 February 2003 05:41 (twenty-two years ago)

two years pass...
Update.

Where would I have to order an iPod from, for delivery to NYC, to not get hit with sales tax?

Ed (dali), Friday, 20 January 2006 08:28 (nineteen years ago)

As far as I know, any other state that isn't New York. For the most part, interstate commerce isn't taxed at a retail sales level.

I once walked into a store in Memphis, bought a record, and had it shipped to my home in Arkansas. Even though I paid the transaction as I was standing in Tennessee, I didn't have to pay any sales tax.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 20 January 2006 17:16 (nineteen years ago)

state sales tax is applicable if the ipod is being shipped to a state in which the store/manufacturer/whatever has a "presence". which presumably apple has in ny.

mookieproof (mookieproof), Friday, 20 January 2006 17:24 (nineteen years ago)

Are you sure about that? For example, I've ordered things from target.com and wasn't charged sales tax.

(I could still get away with it, even with mookie's rule, since the nearest apple store to me is in Germantown fucknig, Tennessee.)

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 20 January 2006 18:26 (nineteen years ago)

pretty sure. i was willing to go to some lengths to avoid paying tax on a computer a few years ago and was foiled.

mookieproof (mookieproof), Friday, 20 January 2006 19:44 (nineteen years ago)

Mookie and I are kinda both right.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 20 January 2006 19:50 (nineteen years ago)

I've lived in New York for a few years now, and still can't figure out when some thing (like food at a deli) will attract sales tax, and when it won't. Am I just being gipped a lot of the time?

paulhw (paulhw), Friday, 20 January 2006 19:59 (nineteen years ago)

Restaurant tax tacked on to sales prepared food as opposed to different (or no) tax rate on dry good/groceries? I believe that's the case in MS, probably several other states.

truck-patch pixel farmer (my crop froze in the field) (Rock Hardy), Friday, 20 January 2006 20:03 (nineteen years ago)

We call it "The Hamburger Tax".

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 20 January 2006 20:08 (nineteen years ago)

Ed, what you need to do is actually make a separate trip to Washington DC and then order the iPod, then you will receive it tax free as Washington DC does not technically have an Apple "presence" (despite one being metro-accessible--it's in Virginia).

That being said, TECHNICALLY, you are still supposed to pay the sales tax even if you are ordering from a place without a "presence" (cf Amazon has no presence anywhere so they don't/shouldn't/I have no idea charge sales tax). No one does but you're supposed to declare it at year end--this is how NY state started suing smokers, remember? They subpoenaed internet retailers for their records on who purchased cigs online and then went after some people for "back taxes". I don't know how that turned out in the end though.

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Friday, 20 January 2006 20:36 (nineteen years ago)

no one fucks with elliot spitzer, though.

mookieproof (mookieproof), Friday, 20 January 2006 20:39 (nineteen years ago)

The weird thing about that is that it seems like it would've cost NYS more to prosecute those people than it would've to just keep losing the damn revenue, ESPECIALLY since most of the retailers stopped selling to New Yorkers after they found out the Attny Gen's office was nosin' around. I mean we're talking like a couple thousand dollars per person, and that's like someone who smokes like 3 packs a day.

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Friday, 20 January 2006 20:40 (nineteen years ago)

California has district taxes as well that are tacked onto the state sales tax... that why it varies from county to county. Alameda county (Oakland, Berkeley) and the city of Avalon (Catalina Island) currently have the highest sales tax rate at 8.75%.

andy --, Friday, 20 January 2006 21:40 (nineteen years ago)

Perhaps you thought you'd never see the day, but get ready for your oddball opinion
of the day:
I'm GLAD that the sales tax isn't automatically included in the price. I would never
want it to be. The reason? First of all, it's basically normal to pay add-on sales
tax if you've been used to it your whole life. You either do the math in your head
(if you're a geek type), or, more realistically, if the item costs $6 you just bring
$7 to the counter. If it's $50, you bring $55, etc. Not a difficult concept.

But here's my ideological reason for liking this system. Every time you buy something,
THERE IT IS - that sales tax is always there, staring you in the face, taunting you.
It's very sobering, especially when you watch it go up and up. We NEED to see that
tax - we need to be constantly reminded of the injustices that plague us.

On a related note: I wonder if there's a different cultural attitude at play
when we talk about taxes. Do Britons see taxes as inherently suspicious, dirty,
a thorn in their side? I think here in the US, even liberals gripe and complain
about local taxes, and see most new tax increases as evidence of graft/corruption
("What'd you do with the fucking money we ALREADY gave you?")

Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Friday, 20 January 2006 22:16 (nineteen years ago)

I agree with you for the most part. It's always a reminder of what a gyp it is to pay sales tax on my groceries when I see that reciept. And maybe if sales tax was quoted at the bar, more people would be aware of the insane hidden 33% add-on.

That said, I do like it when the sales tax is already included. It's nice to not have to deal with a lot of odd spare change.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 20 January 2006 22:29 (nineteen years ago)

Sales tax is, for me, one of the most painless and effective forms of taxation I know. It's just a few cents here and there, no biggie.

andy --, Friday, 20 January 2006 22:59 (nineteen years ago)

Sales tax penalizes the poor worse than any other tax.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 20 January 2006 23:19 (nineteen years ago)

And don't get me started on state-run lotteries and
state-sanctioned gambling. Talk about a great way to exploit
the ignorant, penniless masses.

Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Friday, 20 January 2006 23:28 (nineteen years ago)

Voluntary taxes vs Involuntary taxes.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 20 January 2006 23:41 (nineteen years ago)

Indeed. Orwell speaks some about the lottery in 1984.

I do know some poor folk that have basically put their lives on hold until their winnings come in. Basically, life will begin with the lottery win... they ain't wasting time on the whole bootstrap bullshit.

andy --, Saturday, 21 January 2006 01:18 (nineteen years ago)

And I know some rich folks who live like pigs. They happen to be the ones who spend a lesser percentage of their income on sales taxes.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Saturday, 21 January 2006 05:48 (nineteen years ago)


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