Ok so how many of you got useless degrees?

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There's a lot of grumbling on the English majors thread...a lot of people in jobs unrelated to their fields of study...this worries me, as all of the fields I'm interested in are the type that make people say "oh don't study THAT, you'll never get a job." Stuff like English, philosophy, archaeology...How many of you regret your majors and wish you'd just gone for something technical instead? What sort of options did you have when you graduated?

Maria (Maria), Monday, 24 February 2003 20:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not grumbling at all! I had a great time and learned quite a bit. I didn't end up using it, so technically useless, but who cares?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 24 February 2003 20:46 (twenty-two years ago)

When I went back to uni as a 'mature student' (mid-30s) I was very keen on what they called an Interdisciplinary Degree, where you could more or less pick classes and modules at random from any subject at all. I really fancied doing maths and literature and quantum physics and history of art and philosophy and lots of other stuff. But really I was going back for career purposes, and it didn't take too much asking around to determine that this was not a degree known and respected by potential employers. I considered a Combined Studies one, but that seemed barely more highly regarded. That's why I settled on a career one (Computer Science).

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 24 February 2003 20:57 (twenty-two years ago)

well, i did a 'useless' degree, but ive ended up in a technical (IT) job that a 'technical' degree would probably have not got me into. go figure! but i also know how hard it was for me to get anything with a politics degree. at that point i regretted doing an arts/humanities degree yes, i wont deny it. but its worked out in a funny way. since ive been in this job ive seen other people apply for tech jobs, and computer graduates have lost out to history/english graduates. this is partly because IT firms dont always trust IT degrees, and train from scratch anyway (also much of the technology is proprietary and cannot be taught at university due to copyright/legal stuff, eg ciscos industry certifications are highly lucrative, and cisco make a lot of money by running the courses themselves, theyd lose out on this if they let universities teach it)

having said all that, i do sometimes regret that i didnt do cartography, i would like to be making maps right now

gareth (gareth), Monday, 24 February 2003 21:03 (twenty-two years ago)

I think its important to study something that you are interested in wether it's 'useful' or not. I have suffered for choosing a degree that I wasn't the slightest bit interested in and not changing if you have the chance. The US university system swaps depth for breadth so, Maria you have a small fortune there, plus you can change at pretty much any point during your degree, (something impossible here).

Ed (dali), Monday, 24 February 2003 21:07 (twenty-two years ago)

gareth, turn on your AIM.

Ed (dali), Monday, 24 February 2003 21:08 (twenty-two years ago)

swaps depth for breadth

The resulting tradeoff is worth its own thread, do you think?

Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 24 February 2003 21:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Gareth, that's interesting because my dad says that all the time about computer science degrees (his company prefers physics or math majors), but I didn't know it was true for history.

Maria (Maria), Monday, 24 February 2003 21:14 (twenty-two years ago)

My dad used to do graduate interviews for one of the big 4 accountancy firms. What they were looking for was a 2:1 or better degree from a good university and a breadth of interests around and outside the degree.

Ed (dali), Monday, 24 February 2003 21:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Gareth you have brought hope to my English majory life.

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 24 February 2003 21:29 (twenty-two years ago)

i did a gender studies degree and i haven't gotten a full time job out of it but that doesn't mean it was useless. ask me again in 60 years whether it was useless.

di smith (lucylurex), Monday, 24 February 2003 22:05 (twenty-two years ago)

if we're all here I'll remember to ask.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 24 February 2003 22:07 (twenty-two years ago)

I enjoyed doing my degrees. My career status is all down to my lack of major ambition when it comes to work. Study primarily because you are interested in the subject, but at the same time pick up the marketable skills (computer, communication, blah blah blah)

Wow, ILX 2063, we'll all have AIM video chats that only work half the time.

jel -- (jel), Monday, 24 February 2003 22:13 (twenty-two years ago)

my aim chats work none of the time :(

mark s (mark s), Monday, 24 February 2003 22:16 (twenty-two years ago)

useless /= not finding a job out of it.

Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 24 February 2003 22:22 (twenty-two years ago)

well said.

di smith (lucylurex), Monday, 24 February 2003 22:22 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, Amateurist is OTM!

jel -- (jel), Monday, 24 February 2003 22:24 (twenty-two years ago)

my degree is pragmatically useless, but I think that people do favorably notice the "UC Berkeley" bit on the resume. It's probably best that I didn't go to Williams or Swarthmore or something since nobody in the 'real world' on the west coast has even heard of those "better" schools (also, I didn't bankrupt myself/parents).

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 24 February 2003 22:28 (twenty-two years ago)

this is true, but answered question in context of marias query

gareth (gareth), Monday, 24 February 2003 22:29 (twenty-two years ago)

It's probably best that I didn't go to Williams or Swarthmore or something since nobody in the 'real world' on the west coast has even heard of those "better" schools (also, I didn't bankrupt myself/parents).

not to mention that Swarthmore students/graduates tend to be insufferably snobby and/or pretentious. dunno about Williams (though i know that George Steinbrenner is an alumnus -- make of that what you will).

Tad (llamasfur), Monday, 24 February 2003 22:32 (twenty-two years ago)

to more specifically answer the question, I think employers are looking at whether you completed school. are you "educated"? an English degree is a bit vague, but suggests that you can read and write at a higher level than your average bear. no matter what school you went to.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 24 February 2003 22:33 (twenty-two years ago)

not to mention that Swarthmore students/graduates tend to be insufferably snobby and/or pretentious.

my neurotic/snobby Swarthmore educated ex-gf to thread!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 24 February 2003 22:34 (twenty-two years ago)

My brother is a Williams grad.

Generalizing about people because of what school they went to (state, private or otherwise) = dud.

hstencil, Monday, 24 February 2003 22:34 (twenty-two years ago)

not to mention that Swarthmore students/graduates tend to be insufferably snobby and/or pretentious

Counterexample -- Swarthmore alumnus Jake Anderson, Celesteville mainman and Good Guy All -Around, is anything but snobby or pretentious, instead being a warm and good-hearted son of the Midwest. :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 24 February 2003 22:37 (twenty-two years ago)

my previous ex went to Williams. she is awesome! therefore everyone who went to Williams is awesome and I want to date them. just teasing hstencil, you are of course correct. I like many people I've met who've gone to both schools.

but I hate those Amherst fux0rz! (kidding again)

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 24 February 2003 22:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I like many people I've met who've gone to both schools.

damn Berkeley English classes. you know what I meant.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 24 February 2003 22:40 (twenty-two years ago)

heh heh, Amherst kicked the shit out of Williams this year in football. I was in Portland to watch it with my bro. Actually, it was on his wedding day. The family was kinda concerned that it might put a damper on things, but by church-y time all was forgotten.

Of course, I went to Bard, so please just stereotype me as a druggie with multiple STDs, thanks!

hstencil, Monday, 24 February 2003 22:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Both Mr. Anderson and my other Swathmoron friend -- the only Swatties I know -- are not snobby or pretentious. (Or if they are, it is in the warmest and best possible ways.)

Chris P (Chris P), Monday, 24 February 2003 22:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Of course, I went to Bard, so please just stereotype me as a druggie with multiple STDs, thanks!

I already had! and I didn't even know you went to Bard!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 24 February 2003 22:43 (twenty-two years ago)

ouch.

hstencil, Monday, 24 February 2003 22:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Of course, I went to Bard, so please just stereotype me as a druggie with multiple STDs, thanks!

actually, i think that yer Donald Fagen!

is there a stereotype associated with Rutgers (my undergrad school)?

Tad (llamasfur), Monday, 24 February 2003 22:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Tad, you have to ask if there are any stereotypes associated with what's probably the largest college in New Jersey?

hstencil, Monday, 24 February 2003 22:48 (twenty-two years ago)

ok i don't have and have never had a mullet, don't now drive nor have i ever driven a camaro, and my hometown isn't next to a factory or a petrochemical plant. it was cheap, i got in and i went because my parents wouldn't pony up the money to go to a private school (and they turned out to be right).

Tad (llamasfur), Monday, 24 February 2003 22:50 (twenty-two years ago)

hstencil, before you say "ouch" remember that I went to Berkeley. no stereotypes there!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 24 February 2003 22:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh no! Spencer only dates from girls from elite northeast colleges! Oh no!

Mary (Mary), Monday, 24 February 2003 22:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Spencer, were you the naked dude?

Tad, well to my knowledge I've never had an STD, but I did smoke some weed last night, so I guess I do fit the stereotype. *sigh*

hstencil, Monday, 24 February 2003 22:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh no! Spencer only dates from girls from elite northeast colleges! Oh no!

"all I know, is that there were rumours, he was into field hockey players"

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 24 February 2003 22:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Spencer, were you the naked dude?

no, but I knew him. and the Williams alum ex-gf lived in the same co-op with him for a sememster. I remember dancing at a party when suddenly The Naked Guy (TM) jumped into the fray. I quickly jumped out.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 24 February 2003 22:58 (twenty-two years ago)

what was the deal with The Naked Guy (TM) again?

and is Otis Wheeler still hanging around ILXOR? he's going to Hampshire College, which is also a hippy/crunchy type of school.

Tad (llamasfur), Monday, 24 February 2003 23:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Interestingly enough, my brother was the Naked Guy at Williams when he was there. Fortunately the Berkeley Naked Guy didn't sue for copyright infringement.

hstencil, Monday, 24 February 2003 23:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Naked guy? Is that the best you people can do? At Sarah Lawrence, Naked Guy would have been parading on a leash, led around by a gay guy dressed in formal equestrian gear. At breakfast.

Maria, DON'T WORRY. I did an English/Humanities degree with concentration on both fiction and non-fiction writing. I was making a living off my writing within six months of graduation from the BA - something only six per cent of all writers receiving cash for work ever manage at any time of their lives. But it isn't always easy, especially when you're not on very much money to begin with and publications pay later than you ever imagined they could.

What I do regret is not getting an MA but at the time I wanted to establish a byline/career and was sick to death of sitting in academic surroundings putting plans I'd had since age 14 pretty much on hold.

suzy (suzy), Monday, 24 February 2003 23:12 (twenty-two years ago)

At Bard, the people you generally saw naked in public places were the people you least wanted to see naked.

hstencil, Monday, 24 February 2003 23:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I go to Rutgers and the biggest stereotype is that everyone has an STD (apparently we have a huge percentage of infected students). However, currently I'm studying in England and no one's ever heard of Rutgers, so I'm safe. :)

Also, I too am an English major!

Pam, Tuesday, 25 February 2003 01:17 (twenty-two years ago)

not to mention that Swarthmore students/graduates tend to be insufferably snobby and/or pretentious. dunno about Williams (though i know that George Steinbrenner is an alumnus -- make of that what you will).

Any stereotypes about Haverford people? Not as well known as Swarthmore but much friendlier to applicants...Haverford and Williams are currently high on my list of schools.

It's interesting how people are generally not bothered by doing something out of their field. It baffles me a little.

Maria (Maria), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 01:39 (twenty-two years ago)

It's interesting how people are generally not bothered by doing something out of their field. It baffles me a little.

Well, think of it this way -- some go to school to learn something specific for a job, others go to school for an experience and find a job later as they do, others mix the two, etc. etc. There's no one 'right' or 'wrong' way about this, what is the perfect path for one person is anathema to others. If I had any general advice, it would be to keep your options open as you consider any sort of advanced education and what you might want to learn from it. As Suzy says, don't worry.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 01:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Brown is where it's at.

esquire1983 (esquire1983), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 01:49 (twenty-two years ago)

It's interesting how people are generally not bothered by doing something out of their field. It baffles me a little.
The liberal arts education, going to university to learn how to learn. How to analyze a problem and come to a logical solution. What you technically learnt is secondary to proving you can learn.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 01:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah but what if the job you get afterwards sucks? What sort of opportunities can you get, or do you find?

Maria (Maria), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 01:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Well thats the idea. That your degree isn't a tied to a certain field and is useful to any situation. As far as Im concerned its a setup for middle mangement types, Dilbert even did a great comic strip to that effect.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 02:00 (twenty-two years ago)

It's interesting how people are generally not bothered by doing something out of their field. It baffles me a little.

where i did undergrad, they didn't have a pre-law major. they had a "pre-law advisor," who basically just told you to get the best grades you could in whatever you ended up majoring in. and law schools (unofficially) frown on pre-law majors -- which makes sense, because law is a separate field of study in itself and being prepared to do well at law school isn't really that dependent on classes one takes as an undergrad (as opposed to pre-med students, who have to take a certain number of science classes so they have some baseline knowledge before going to med school).

in actuality, a lot of people who end up going to law school end up majoring in political science, philosophy, or history (just my antecdotal experience).

Tad (llamasfur), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 02:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Maria - Haverford is the nice one, Swarthmore is where ppl are too stressed about about their studies.

And as others have said upthread, don't worry about making the right choice as to your major being 'useful' - I loved being an English major and what you're being taught is how to use your mind critically, it's just that I had more fun doing that in English than I'd have had in History or Philosophy. I don't know many people who think of their college major as their 'field'

H (Heruy), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 03:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Where are the Wesleyan stereotypes?

Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 04:33 (twenty-two years ago)

hey, Wesleyan was one of the private schools that accepted me! (it used to have a reputation for being a liberal/trustafarian-type school, or it did when i applied.)

Tad (llamasfur), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 05:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Count 'em! Two useless Bachelor's degrees: English and Social Sciences (general). The last paying job i had was in digital animation (about as far from those as ya can get), though i've gotten back into writing, so i guess the degrees aren't as useless as they could be.

They certainly never landed me any dream jobs.

The only guy i know from Swarthmore is about as nice as you could ask someone to be...

Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 05:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Maria - Haverford is the nice one, Swarthmore is where ppl are too stressed about about their studies.

i.e. go to Swarthmore

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 05:15 (twenty-two years ago)

My major (Italian) is pretty useless as I don't have any desire to use it other than on holiday and the very occasional work call to Italy. My minor (film studies, critical rather than practical) has been really useful, though if I abandon my TV career, as I seem to be doing (and this is alarming me a lot), I can't see how it ever would be again.

Mark C (Mark C), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 23:23 (twenty-two years ago)

russian and linguistics is also a dud. it all depends on how much debt you're going to get in for doing it. £10000 debt, and the jobs im looking at (ie dream jobs) are like, £17000 a year. and those are totally out of my reach
so im fucked

ambrose (ambrose), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 11:09 (twenty-two years ago)

or working in media sales/ABC for ever.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 11:28 (twenty-two years ago)

two months pass...
This is something I've been pondering lately, as I'm considering moving into a more "practical" field of study as I get older : do you think that the English major (or some sort of cultural studies) is sort of the "indie" of college education, while trades or social sciences are more "rockist" or "popist"?

Looking back on how, as an undergraduate, I went from a practical discipline to an impractical one (journalism to art history), I'm finally forced to admit that subtle peer pressure probably had a great deal to do with it. I was surrounded by literature types and feeling very insecure about my own cultural literacy. When I look back on those days, though, I see that the person I was most sympatico with (and neglected more than I should have, probably because my literati friends didn't like her) was a mixture of analytical and creative and became an architect.

That said, I never once considered English and I think Art History appealed to me because it is actually highly cross-disciplinary. I think it was a way of one-upping the literature types while secretly retaining a fair degree of practicality (you can study all sorts of things under the art history umbrella).

Kerry (dymaxia), Monday, 5 May 2003 15:26 (twenty-two years ago)

I think I was really lucky that I didn't have any pressure from my parents or anybody to study or not study anything in particular. I also didn't have anybody telling me not to do too much, so I wound up taking 5 years and doing a BA (theatre) and a BS (computer engineering/cognitive science).

Funny thing is I think theatre has helped me more practically in my career, though having the BS on my resume has probably helped more for getting the jobs in the first place. Nothing I've ever done workwise has been anything that I couldn't have done without the BS though. I mean I've never actually been employed as an engineer. Just web-related computer sciencey stuff.

martin m. (mushrush), Monday, 5 May 2003 15:54 (twenty-two years ago)


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