Has anyone here been on one of these?

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My railway lust has been ignited. Let's have a thread about great railway journeys.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 13:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Or infact railway journeys that were horrific but in a comic way (Virgin Rail customers represent).

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 13:31 (twenty-two years ago)

yeh i'd like to know about great American rail journeys especially

on a beautiful day, York to Scarborough is a great train trip i'll tell thee for nowt

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 13:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Ed, what is that train? Where does it go, and how quickly?

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 13:34 (twenty-two years ago)

The only time I did that trip I'd just done the Lyke Wake Walk and I slept the whole way. I can imagine i'd be lovely though. Pickering Whitby is gorgeous (and steam hauled).

I'm pretty sure we've done this before. Because I rember talking about the lovely bit between Derby and Chesterfield.

That Trains is the Acela Express it Goes from Boston to Washington at 150mph. I think its a derivative of the german ICE but I could be wrong. 2:45 NYC-Washington. $119 Dollars single and I bet you can fly for less

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 13:37 (twenty-two years ago)

yup, been on one from boston to delaware. took 6 hours, goes about 150 miles an hour. Pretty comfortable. Nothing that impressive.

Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 13:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I haven't done extensive travel by rail. But one rail trip I used to really enjoy was my semi-regular Metro-North Harlem Line route (the difference between the Bronx and Bronxville is so striking!) up to my company's office in White Plains. Very relaxing and scenic.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 13:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I have been on the TGV (le train grand vitesse?) and let me tell you, it rocked. It looked similar to Ed's photo IIRC.

I think it is probably cheaper to fly Boston-DC but this way you probably save on cab fare and travel time getting in and out of the cities.

felicity (felicity), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 13:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I've only done two rail journeys in the US. Metro-Nroth to somewhere in connecticut(possibly Richmond too small to remember). And the Sunset Limited from Orlando to New Orleans. The Sleeping car Attendent gave me a bollocking for walking to the loo barefoot and then another for not calling him sir when I replied. The Train went on to LA and then back towards Orlando, on the way the sleeping cars plunged from a bridge into a swap so he may well be dead, I only just realised that.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 13:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Cab to the Airport. That's what the A-Train is for.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 13:45 (twenty-two years ago)

i've always wanted to ride on the shinkansen, but its so bloody expensive.

my favorite railway journey is over the Manhattan Bridge on the Q/W line at night. Really nice views of the city.

the worst: riding hard seat on long chinese train journeys

phil-two (phil-two), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 13:47 (twenty-two years ago)

?The A goes to LaGuardia?

felicity (felicity), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 13:47 (twenty-two years ago)

i have never flown from LaGuardia but then I've never taken an internal flight from NYC. If there isn't a train to Laguardia then there should be.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 13:49 (twenty-two years ago)

you can take the N train to somewhere really far out in queens, then transfer to a bus. it's not very convenient... unlike the A-train to JFK or that airtrain to newwark.

phil-two (phil-two), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 13:52 (twenty-two years ago)

TAKE THE TRAIN TO THE PLANE: Between 1978 and 1990, the Metropolitan Transportation Authority (MTA) ran "The Train to the Plane," an express service that ran along the A line from Manhattan to Howard Beach, Queens. However, this was not a direct service: commuters had to take a shuttle bus from the Howard Beach (the IND A line) station to Kennedy Airport. The inconvenient transfers and relatively high $4.00 fare contributed to low ridership, ultimately killing the service.

Nevertheless, officials did not give up on the idea of a direct rail link to JFK. After a series of abortive attempts over the past three decades, New York City, New York State, and the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey finally agreed on a direct rail link from Jamaica to JFK in September 1997.






In April 1998, the Port Authority awarded an initial $930 million construction contract and a $105 million to a consortium of companies. Construction of the three-line elevated rail system known as "Airtrain" began five months later. The three separate lines were developed as develops:

A two-mile rail line will link Kennedy's nine terminals to each other.

A 3.4-mile line will link the terminals to parking lots, rental car agencies and the Howard Beach subway station.

A three-mile elevated line running up the center median of the Van Wyck Expressway will link the airport at Jamaica Station in Queens to the Long Island Rail Road, the E, J and Z subway lines, as well as to numerous bus lines linking Queens and Nassau counties.


The $1.9 billion construction contract and a $105 million, five-year contract to run and maintain the line was awarded to a team of companies: Skanska USA, the U.S. division of a Swedish heavy construction company; Bombardier Transit Corporation, a Quebec train manufacturer; and Perini Corporation of Framingham, Massachusetts, a construction company.

The 8.4-mile Airtrain project is about one-fourth the price of a proposed 22-mile railway linking Manhattan, Kennedy Airport and LaGuardia Airport that was deemed too costly in 1995, one of 21 proposals that have stalled over the past three decades.

Once Airtrain is fully operational, commuters will be able to take a 45-minute, one-transfer rail trip from Penn Station in midtown Manhattan to Kennedy Airport via the LIRR-Jamaica station. Currently, the trip from Manhattan to Kennedy Airport can now take more than two hours by car or bus, or subway and bus, along sometimes congested routes.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 13:52 (twenty-two years ago)

The Acela is the most pointless high-speed train EVAH. "Hey MArty, let's build a high-speed trin, put it on tracks that don't let it get up to full speed, then make it stop every 50 miles! People will pay out the ass for that!"

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 13:53 (twenty-two years ago)

I think you can take a regular MTA bus from 116th and Bway @ Columbia to LGA now that I think of it. I think that's LGA. I heard it takes like 90 minutes but it's only $1.50.

felicity (felicity), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 13:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I saw the construction when I was there in '01. I look forward to it. But it won't have me humming take the A-Train though.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 13:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I was wondering if they'd constructed new lines, as for ICE/TGV, if not they should have bought Italian Pendolinos.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 13:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I guess the NYC Washinton would be nearer two hours or less if they'd built the right lines?

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 13:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Trains are infinitely better for the landscape than cars, buses or planes. Unless they jump off track, that's a mess.

felicity (felicity), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 13:58 (twenty-two years ago)

lets talk about:

chicago-seattle on amtrak
chicago-LA on amtrak
new orleans-LA on amtrak

gareth (gareth), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 14:05 (twenty-two years ago)

the train to the plane (from the '80s)

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 14:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Has anyone here been on one of these?

http://images.jlist.com/c2/kittyvib5_small.gif

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 14:07 (twenty-two years ago)

my friend Julie has one but claims never to have, uh, ridden it.

phil-two (phil-two), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 14:08 (twenty-two years ago)

you can take the N train to somewhere really far out in queens

Hey now, be nice to us Astoria types, since no one comes to visit anyway. You can see the Acela in our neighborhood, crossing that one railroad bridge by the Triboro.

Railroad trips: been from St. Louis to New Mexico three times. Seattle to Portland twice. When I moved to NYC last fall, I took the train from Chicago. And I've taken the train all over Spain, but only high-speed from Madrid to Seville (took about 2 hours - they played The Odd Couple in Spanish on the TVs).

hstencil, Wednesday, 26 February 2003 14:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I went on the TGV, Paris to Marseille, which goes just as fast as the Acella or maybe faster. It cost like $25 one way. It was rad. Trains are the superior form of travel, up to a certain distance. They are much, much more comfortable than flying. I don't know about train security in the US, but in France there was basically none (maybe not a good thing?), so no two-hour before-hand check ins and irritating security nonsense you get when flying.

The problem with trains in the US is the distances are too great between the major cites, except for the Northeast. Amtrack actually makes a profit in that area, but loses money on its other routes.

fletrejet, Wednesday, 26 February 2003 14:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Has anyone here been on one of these?

http://www.partyweb.org.uk/images/services/inflatable/bouncy%20from%20p%20and%20j/rodeo%20bull.jpg

RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 14:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Train travel in spain is fantastic especially in the now dwindling red and chrome talgos. Spain is the place to get the best on train coffee in the world, fact.

TGV paris-marseille 300km/h => 180mph between just south of Paris and just north of Marseille more or less.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 14:28 (twenty-two years ago)

They're currently mooting the possibility of a high-speed link 'twixt Toronto and Montreal but balking at the billions it would cost. Most reports also mention how far behind N. America is compared to Europe in this regard so I get to feel a little smug as a European. Of course, a a resident of a city that doesn't have even a half-decent public transport link between its airport and downtown (i.e. Toronto), I say they have priorities other than a Fat Cat Express...

Minky Starshine (Minky Starshine), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 14:35 (twenty-two years ago)

I took one of these to the Köln FAP:

http://biedekarken-chr.bei.t-online.de/ice.jpg

It took a bit over an hour (it's 2.5 hours by car). It's cool, but the way it leans into turns makes your stomach feel funny.

I've also taken this from Paris to Köln:

http://212.120.99.236/weblog/archives/thalys.jpg

That was FAST!! Very cool indeed.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 14:39 (twenty-two years ago)

The Eurostar is pretty cool. 3 hours from Paris Gare du Nord to London Waterloo. Not bad at all.

phil-two (phil-two), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 14:40 (twenty-two years ago)

The ICE rocks my world. Stuttgart - Muenchen in 55 minutes!

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 14:41 (twenty-two years ago)

What are you talking about Minky? Take the subway to Kipling and the Airport rocket to the airport. Total time from Union station is 50 minutes.
I guess at night its not easy as you have to get to Eglinton to take the Blue Light express down Eglinton to the airport, but I live on that line so its alright for me. For those in North York there is a Go Bus from Yorkdale which is a relatively large bus/sub station.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 14:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Colin, did you feel nauseous. I'm doing a small research project into motion sickness on tilting trains. Tell me more.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 14:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I've been on the TGV, I don't really remember it, I was playing cards and drinking and then I fell asleep cos I'd been on a 24 hour train journey from Prague to Paris the same day, it was gruelling. The train station in Prague is quite scary and full of shady characters and their mangy dogs. The train itself was very old and not unlike something in a war film.

Also in Prague did you ever notice how the plastic lower rim on 500ml or litre bottle caps always fails to remove itself from the main cap, ensuring you can't close the bottle properly. I mean, "what's up with that" *snare drum*.

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 14:45 (twenty-two years ago)

haha "skanksa"

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 14:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I love VIA Rail, specially the slow and leasurely Eastern line outta Montreal to Halifax, serves a great breakfast. They did after the WTC attack add an overnight train from Toronto to Montreal that includes shower facilities and beds for business types afraid to fly. Im dieing to take it and spend a day in Montreal as a minibreak one weekend.
Otherwise the 1st class/business class used to be great. No meal but all the wine and almonds you could drink and TONS of leg room and a table if you wanted. Supposedly they have outlets for laptops now days. Of course the coach is living hell if someone you dont know is next to you. Its interesting at least to Cornwall, specially when you can see the lake but when it crosses the farmland into Western Quebec its a boring ride.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 14:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I've never taken a particularly impressive train journey outside the UK, but the train trip between Exeter and Cornwall, especially just past Exeter itself, is absolutely beautiful on a clear day.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 14:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Not quite nauseated, but it was a short trip -- more of an uneasy feeling in my gut. Who knows if it had been a longer ride?

Colin Meeder (Mert), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 14:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Running through the red sandstone by the sea is beautiful.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 14:50 (twenty-two years ago)

They had to turn the tilt compensation down in Italy by about 30% because people were getting sick.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 14:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Sleeping cars are expensive, but they're supposed to be great. I've only gone coach, so I've had all sorts of experiences with interesting characters next to me. The worst were the guy with BO/flatulence problems, and a guy who kept buying chili dogs, the smell of which made me nauseous. Otherwise, there's annoying-talkative people, but some that are really cool too.

I took Amtrak from Milwaukee to Denver once--a 20 hour ride, but I ended up sitting next to an interesting (and cute!) guy and we talked for a lot of the time. Otherwise I'm sure it would have been pretty boring. The scenery for most of it ('cept the cute guy) was not great except when approaching the Rocky Mountains.

JuliaA (j_bdules), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 14:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I've done sleepers and couchettes in europe and the US. Couchettes, for those who don't know, are the equivalent of coach in Eruopean overnight trains. There are 6 or 4 berths to a cabin and you sleep in your clothes. You meet great people in couchettes particularly in the non-airconditioned ones when its hot. Most people stand in the corridor hanging out of the windows drinking and smoking.

http://www.citynightline.ch/img/img_dernachtreisezug/pic2_liegewagen.jpg

Sleepers are swish but expensive, nuff said. I love the big deep blue sleeping cars in Europe. I would love to ride one of these double deck sleepers but they are way expensive.

http://www.citynightline.ch/img/img_dernachtreisezug/pic3_deluxe.jpg

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 15:02 (twenty-two years ago)

You mean you don't get the wonderful folding back chair from hell overnight coach? The trip out west can be several days in an overglorified uncomfortable lazyboy, hence the need for constant trips to the observation car or movie lounge.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 15:12 (twenty-two years ago)

I've been on one of these:

http://freespace.virgin.net/andrew.chaplin/train.jpg

j0e (j0e), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 15:19 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm nauseated by the idea of Cornwall, if that's any help.

Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 15:20 (twenty-two years ago)

was the nausea caused by tilting?

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 15:29 (twenty-two years ago)

haha joe, they have one of those at my local Lido you know

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 15:33 (twenty-two years ago)

For night travel between Britain and the continent through the Channel tunnel, European Night Services (ENS) has ordered 9 trainsets, each consisting of 6 - 10 sleeping-cars, 2 lounge cars and 4 - 6 sleeperettes, to be introduced in 1996 on the lines Glasgow/Manchester - Paris, Plymouth/Swansea - Paris, London - Frankfurt and London - Amsterdam. The sleepers have a high standard with en-suite toilets and showers, the sleeperettes have more space per reclining seat than those on the CityNightLine, for example. These trains, marketed under the name `nightstar', will be hauled by class 92 locomotives in the Chunnel (to Calais Ville) and on British electrified lines, by pairs of class 37 Diesel-electric locomotives on British non-electrified lines, by SNCF SYBIC locos from Calais to Paris, and by dual voltage SNCB/NMBS locos to Belgium.

Googling just brought up this, why has in never happened? ANS: Privatisation and because brit rail is rubbish.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 16:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, 50% sounds right. ANd I suppose a line-up ain't so bad in the cold. But still--in the Mtl/TO axis there ain't nothing to do but sit in those shitty seats. No dining cars or nothin'.

slutsky (slutsky), Thursday, 27 February 2003 01:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, those trains do blow ass. I don't mind lining up in Montreal since its got such a lovely little area and a Tim Horton's right there. Plus a Depanier [sp?] with all your beer and wine godness you need to survive the treck into Gaspe and the Acadian Penisula.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 27 February 2003 01:29 (twenty-two years ago)

You're right that Montreal's got a better line-up zone--Toronto's really looks like the entrance to Purgatory. I don't even think there's a dep on that level either. Boo VIA.

slutsky (slutsky), Thursday, 27 February 2003 03:14 (twenty-two years ago)

The trains in Thailand are surprisingly excellent, old and rickety yes, but you get a sleeper with air-con and bedding for a tenner, which covers about a 12 hour journey. The food however is atrocious and best got from people at stops on the way.

chris (chris), Thursday, 27 February 2003 09:15 (twenty-two years ago)

like gareth i've been dreaming of Amtrakking - i would like to go from NY to Chicago via Washington/Pittsburgh and then back via Niagara Falls - am i right in reading it as 3 hours from NY to Washington but about 15 hours from Washington to Chicago?? doesnt seem right somehow...anyone done these routes and can recommend them/alternatives?

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 27 February 2003 09:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Chicago is very much further from Washington than NYC.

Isn't Acela a really shit name for a train. Suzy was speculating that it was probably pronounced A-sella as in A-sella-rate. Which makes it even worse.

Ed (dali), Thursday, 27 February 2003 09:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Thalys stops aren't annoying if you live in Cologne, as I once did.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Thursday, 27 February 2003 10:03 (twenty-two years ago)

There's going to be a new TGV/ICE line running your way and on to Munchen and Zurich soon. SNCF just ordered the stock.

Ed (dali), Thursday, 27 February 2003 10:17 (twenty-two years ago)

The Shikansen roXor. Hiroshima to Tokyo in three hours - that's like 400 miles or something stupid. That said the big concrete bobsleigh runs the shikansen rund in means you don't get much of a view on the lower decks. (On the way out to Niigata I saw about four yards of actual countryside what with the mists and all). The Bento boxes you can buy on the train are rubbish tho.

Pete (Pete), Thursday, 27 February 2003 10:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Ooh, a trains thread.

I love train travel, but it's so annoying that for the past 10 years we've had British trains that can do 140mph, but nowhere with a line speed higher than 125, apart from a short-lived experimental patch.

(that's since the mid-80s at least - in the late 70s and early 80s the Bristol-London route unofficially had no upper speed limit for late-running High Speed Trains, and they regularly travelled up in the 130s mph.)

Great things I've discovered on recent train journeys - the Root Vegetable Crisps they sell in GNER buffets.

caitlin (caitlin), Thursday, 27 February 2003 13:37 (twenty-two years ago)

The trains on the East coast did for a short time run at 140mph soon after the renewal of the line in the late 80s early 90s. The fact that they didn't build a TGV standard line back then is a scandal in itself.

What's even worse is that they had trains running at 125mph in the 30s when we were kings of the railway world and that nothing has improved speedwise since then.

Ed (dali), Thursday, 27 February 2003 13:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, but the 140mph section only ran for a short length of the route, between Peterborough and Grantham. The 5-aspect signalling system used is still installed and operational.

In the 30s, one train touched 125mph, going downhill with a special train; there's no way it could have been kept up regularly. One of the current trains managed somewhere around 165mph in similar circumstances (and at the same location) - only 20mph less than a TGV.

caitlin (caitlin), Thursday, 27 February 2003 14:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey, why you guys in such a rush. Sit back, relax on the train a read a good book.

Pete (Pete), Thursday, 27 February 2003 15:27 (twenty-two years ago)

The thing is I want to be able to go further faster and cheaper and without flying. Why are the only places in europe you can get to direct from London still only Paris and Brussels and why are the trains so bloody expensive in this country. We should have sold our railway to the swiss.

Ed (dali), Thursday, 27 February 2003 17:17 (twenty-two years ago)

My biggest rail fetish is for swiss railways I used to be a card carrying member of the swiss railways society, (and a railrider)

Ed (dali), Thursday, 27 February 2003 17:18 (twenty-two years ago)

i would like to go from NY to Chicago via Washington/Pittsburgh and then back via Niagara Falls - am i right in reading it as 3 hours from NY to Washington but about 15 hours from Washington to Chicago?

The thing is, last time I looked the trip from NY to Chicago went through Memphis, which is kind of, um, not on the way. NY to DC = ~3.5 hrs. The US is unfortunately not built for rail travel, save on the eastern commuter distict DC-Boston, so other train routes are not the most efficient. And, like Ed said, it is kind of far.

Mary (Mary), Thursday, 27 February 2003 17:25 (twenty-two years ago)

(Suzy is correct on the Acela pronunication.)

Mary (Mary), Thursday, 27 February 2003 17:27 (twenty-two years ago)

time I looked the trip from NY to Chicago went through Memphis, which is kind of, um, not on the way.

Uh, you must've been looking at a very different route than the one I took from Chi to NYC. It went south around Lake Michigan, through Cleveland, Buffalo and Rochester, basically following I-90 'til Albany, at which point it switched south and followed the Hudson River (I got to see my alma mater Bard from the window of my sleeping car compartment!).

hstencil, Thursday, 27 February 2003 17:33 (twenty-two years ago)

maybe it was Pittsburgh to Chicago that ran through Memphis?

Mary (Mary), Thursday, 27 February 2003 17:34 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.amtrak.com/pdf/national.pdf

from chicago, the only place memphis is on the way to is....

...

new orleans!

gareth (gareth), Thursday, 27 February 2003 17:37 (twenty-two years ago)

That's the train they call the City of New Orleans...

...and there was a big derailment a few years ago on that route just south of Chicago, in lovely Bourbonnais. Some dumb trucker got stuck on the tracks.

hstencil, Thursday, 27 February 2003 17:40 (twenty-two years ago)

hey i would amtrak with anyone anytime, i'm enrolled in their frequent riders program and everything!

the trip from philadelphia-chicago went through pittsburgh (with a 90 minute or so layover there). i left philadelphia at 3pm, and got into union station chicago at around 11 the next morning (cst) ...

maura (maura), Thursday, 27 February 2003 17:41 (twenty-two years ago)

when you say layover did you cave to change trains or did it just sit there?

Ed (dali), Thursday, 27 February 2003 17:42 (twenty-two years ago)

maybe it was a plane that was gonna go through memphis? i just remember, i wanted to go to chicago and it looked like i had to go to memphis (or was it new orleans?) to get there, stragely, i didn't think that was a good thing at the time

Mary (Mary), Thursday, 27 February 2003 17:44 (twenty-two years ago)

even think there's a dep on that level either.
There is a tiny tiny "Fruit Stand" with over priced crap. If you need the LCBO is near the Go concourse. So basically you back up the ramp turn right down the stars and head towards the MacDonalds/CoffeeTime and the LCBO is on the righthand side. I think the via rail section has a Harvey's and a candy store and thats about it. Of course your not aloud to drink your own booze in coach so ifyour on the corridor trains it doesnt really matter. But if your heading off the Winnipeg and points west...

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 27 February 2003 17:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Corridor Trains?

Ed (dali), Thursday, 27 February 2003 17:48 (twenty-two years ago)

= eastern corridor?

Mary (Mary), Friday, 28 February 2003 05:27 (twenty-two years ago)

my favorite railway journey is over the Manhattan Bridge on the Q/W line at night. Really nice views of the city.

This is great, but hasn't been going for years, while they repair the bridge:(

Mary (Mary), Friday, 28 February 2003 05:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Chicago to NYC Amtrak is classic. It has cute names -- something like Empire Express going and Lakeshore Limited returning. I polled our dining car and half the people were continuing to LA. The unanimous answer to "Why are we here?" was "Afraid to fly."

There's going to be a new TGV/ICE line running your way and on to Munchen and Zurich soon. SNCF just ordered the stock.

Very convenient for future integrated Paris-Munich-Zurich-Baghdad line.

felicity (felicity), Friday, 28 February 2003 05:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Corridor Trains?

Via operates what we call high speed trains (maybe 110 Km/h or 65 mph) along the busiest strip of track from Windsor through Toronto (the hub) to Montreal with branches to Ottowa and Quebec City. If your going east to Halifax or from Toronto to Winnipeg you get the real train. Their are also real nice 'tourist' trains operated out of Toronto by Northlands Rail through the Canadian Shield and from Halifax to Syndey out east. They have one that runs through the Rockies out west but I dont know where it ends or splits off.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 28 February 2003 06:43 (twenty-two years ago)

The Bagdad train used to go Bagdad-Istambul-Belgrade-Venice-Geneva-Paris.

Ed (dali), Friday, 28 February 2003 08:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I have been on the Eurostar numerous times - and enjoyed it every time - the TGV - which I think is CRAP - and the shinkansen. I wuv trains. Is it just us, but whenever we're in the smoking compartment late at night, we seem to attract the WEIRDEST creatures! The last night was muttering obscenities while listening to his frigging discman on top volume. KUH RIST.

nathalie (nathalie), Friday, 28 February 2003 09:35 (twenty-two years ago)

What's wrong with the TGV? I'll admit some of the older ones are a bit decrepid now.

Smoking cars always attract the weirdest creatures but they very rarely have children in them, which is why I'm so pissed off that they've removed them from the Midland Mainline.

Ed (dali), Friday, 28 February 2003 09:58 (twenty-two years ago)

But Ed, those Midland Mainline smoking carriages used to be so disgusting. As if MM thought "ah well, they smoke so they won't care what state the carriage is in"

chris (chris), Friday, 28 February 2003 10:16 (twenty-two years ago)

but no screaming kids

Ed (dali), Friday, 28 February 2003 10:22 (twenty-two years ago)

don't MM have quiet coaches now? although to be honest last time I sat in one I assumed the rule was "no mobiles". I didn't think I was going to be glared at every time I ate a crisp

j0e (j0e), Friday, 28 February 2003 10:23 (twenty-two years ago)

quiet coaches mean no mobiles but don't ban children

Ed (dali), Friday, 28 February 2003 10:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Someone once asked me to shut up when I was in a quiet coach. I hadn't *asked* to be in it; I was just booked in it anyway. I think I was trying to explain Gödel's theorem to someone.

caitlin (caitlin), Friday, 28 February 2003 11:52 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd like to bitch about Midalnd Mainline.

Firstly they didn't have my tickets ready for collection on friday.

Secondly the train on sunday was late because the train coming in was late. I don't know if MML are the worst but they realy upon incoming trains to turn round in 20minutes or less to make outgoing trains. So delays just get worse throughout the day. My train was nearly an hour late when it arrived. Due to getting stuck behind a stopping slower train as a result we 'lost us path.

Not helped by the fact that the direct line between Derby and Sheffield was closed as per usual on sunday because its not heavily used enough for Network Rail to keep it open. So the train has to reverse out of Derby and go Halfway to Nottingham before heading towards Sheffield.

They could solve a great deal of their problems by leasing a couple of extra trains and making incoming trains into the next service but one to go out or even going with the sensible european system of taking trains out of the staion to be cleaned and prepared for the journey. Unfortunately this can't be done because most of the UK's valueable stocks of coaching and goods yards have been sold off to become further pointless shooping centres.

As a result I've booked myself on a trains via Doncaster for the next time I go to london. Its 10 minutes quicker and I get to go on GNER's Eurostars. Its costs an extra tenner though and that pissses me off even more.

Ed (dali), Monday, 3 March 2003 13:08 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd be more pissed off at having to go to Doncaster.

chris (chris), Monday, 3 March 2003 13:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Its OK as long as one doesn't leave the station.

Ed (dali), Monday, 3 March 2003 13:18 (twenty-two years ago)

E-251/08

gareth (gareth), Monday, 3 March 2003 14:18 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't understand.

Ed (dali), Monday, 3 March 2003 14:21 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm sorry. Every time I read this thread title, my mind does not think "trains." It thinks this (warning, sexually explicit website link):

Sybian for Women

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Monday, 3 March 2003 20:25 (twenty-two years ago)

(Nice try Laura, but for some reason this thread is especially impervious to hijacking. BELIEVE ME I HAVE TRIED.)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 3 March 2003 22:40 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.sncf.com/co/images_images/Duplex.jpg

I want my innocence back.

Ed (dali), Monday, 3 March 2003 22:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Ms Laura, you are a dirty minx! What could *possibly* be sexual about big, powerful trains zooming through the countryside before delving into a dark, moist cleft underneath a range of nicely-rounded hills?

caitlin (caitlin), Monday, 3 March 2003 23:25 (twenty-two years ago)

stop it

http://www.telcom.es/~jcastjr/trenes/talgo-1.jpg

Ed (dali), Monday, 3 March 2003 23:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Hmmm...so Dan, would you say that it is virtually impossible to derail this thread? (Sorry, it was killing me not to say that.) If you claim that it is impossible to get this thread off track, so-to-speak, then I must bow to your prowess. (Or curtsey, if I ever figure-out how to do that without falling to the floor.)

Caitlin - I *highly* approve of the way your mind works.

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 01:17 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...
i'll be doing the lakeshore limited and the southwest chief.

results not typical (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 1 November 2004 19:50 (twenty years ago)


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