Do you believe there is any correlation to food and skin complexion?

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It's pretty standard to hear that "No, chocolate does not give you zits" from the medical community and yet I'm always hearing ordinary people complain that chocolate (or beer or chips) makes them break out.

Since improper food can be blamed for a number of other conditions, it seems logical to me that there probably is some truth to the idea that bad food = bad skin.

I lost a lot of weight recently due to lack of money. I started out eating cheap stuff like oat bran, egg whites, meat and veggies (all home cooked). And since my girlfriend was on a no salt, no sugar, no dairy diet, I figured I'd join her.

During this period, I also just sort of "gave up" on my looks since I was mostly sitting at home in my underwear learning Javascript, PHP and applying to jobs online or freelancing from home. I stopped shaving every day and I just started washing my face with cold water and glycerine soap.

Miraculously, one day I noticed that I had no bumps and no full-fledged pimples, either. My skin was totally smooth! I'd pretty much always had a zit or two at any given time since I was a teenager.

Now, that I've started earning more money (or alternatively eating horribly cheap on Ramen), I gave up on the no salt, no dairy aspect of my diet. On top of this, I developed a craving tendency toward candy bars. I've maintained my cold water, glycerine soap facial wash, since I had attributed my new perfect skin to my new hygeine habits (I read somewhere that warm water irritates pimples, spreads out oils below the surface of skin and dries out the skin so it produceses EXCESS oil, causing you to wash more frequently and worsen the problem).

Well, the only thing that's changed in the past 3 weeks is my diet: salt, sugar and dairy are back in (as well as the occasional beer). I suddenly find myself with 4 red pimples and several little flesh-colored bumps near my hairline.

I am thinking that pimples are indeed caused by poor diet. Maybe not for everybody, but I'm guessing some people have a reaction to it. I mean, I recently found out a lack of certain essential oils has caused me to develop this crazy peeling skin problem on my finger tips and that's definitely a skin issue related to diet, so why wouldn't this make sense for skin complexion?

Have any of you noticed certain foods seem to make you break out?

Scaredy Cat, Friday, 28 February 2003 22:58 (twenty-two years ago)

I am not a doctor, but it seems absolutely inevitable that what you eat will have some effect on your skin.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 28 February 2003 23:02 (twenty-two years ago)

For me, it's almost totally diet. The whole "chocolate gives you zits" thing is a myth - it's not the chocolate, it's the fat content. Choose high cocoa low fat chocolate, and you'll be fine. It's not even how much oil you use, but what kind. I switched from rapeseed oil to sesame oil and my skin broke out.

Whole foods, non-processed, low fat, fresh vegetables are just better for you in every way, including your complexion. Doesn't take a genius to figure that out. They're often cheaper as well but blah, they're boring and take a lot of effort to cook. Oh, and eating a lot of fruit really does help yer skin. As does drinking tons of water.

kate, Friday, 28 February 2003 23:05 (twenty-two years ago)

The person I know with the best skin (at 29) has been a moderate drinker and heavy smoker since she was 15. genes clearly have something to do with it. However, for those who do have to fight the battle, I agree with Kate to the letter.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 28 February 2003 23:13 (twenty-two years ago)

I didn't actually mention smoking or alcohol. Moderate alcohol intake is actually good for your skin, as it is a muscle relaxer, which decreases the appearance of lines.

Cigarettes, however, will age you faster than anything else on earth except maybe skag.

kate, Friday, 28 February 2003 23:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Thanks, Kate! Good advice. It's weird, they say a pimple is an infection and the white puss is "fighting the infection" but I don't see how fat can cause an infection (or any diet intake), but what the hell do I know. From now on, I'll just think of the puss as fat and remember that the more fat I eat, the more will ooze out of my face. That's a lovely image.

Scaredy Cat, Friday, 28 February 2003 23:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Emma certainly does. She reckons oranges and dairy are not good for her skin. But, she also reckons she's got horrible skin when actually she does not at all - it's lovely.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Friday, 28 February 2003 23:17 (twenty-two years ago)

A pimple isn't an infection. But the pore gets blocked with crud due to grease building up and trapping dirt, and the puss builds up to force out the crud/grease blockage.

Man, I'm starting to sound like a clearasil advert. But all the clearasil in the world won't help you if you don't stop the grease build-up by stopping CONSUMING grease.

kate, Friday, 28 February 2003 23:21 (twenty-two years ago)

It may be my imagination, but it seems to me that when I eat a lot of watercress, my skin tone is better.

Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 1 March 2003 00:53 (twenty-two years ago)

I consider watercress very highly, though, in general.

Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 1 March 2003 00:53 (twenty-two years ago)

I wonder if William F. Buckley has on his whole face what I have on my fingertips. If that man has a teaspoon of Cod Liver Oil & a gelcap of borage oil every day, his peely skin might go away. Someone email him this info.

Scaredy Cat, Saturday, 1 March 2003 01:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I've had skin problems since forever.

The stuff I've read on it seems to downplay the role of diet (and even hygiene!) in order to emphasise the role of hormones in particular. But then again, some things I've read also point out that good diet and good hygiene are common sense and will help a bit.

As far as I understand it: male hormones stimulate the sebaceous gland (this gland working overtime being the main cause of acne), so any surge of male hormones will do it. Stress causes a moderate adrenal testosterone surge in both sexes.

Personal experience: I've dealt with tremendous stress over the last couple of years and I have the scars to prove it. Literally. When I have really bad stress periods -- particularly when doing a lot of heavy crying -- I can almost guarantee getting some trouble.

The real bad thing about this is... I've always been prone to a bit of acne... but my skin's older now and doesn't heal as well as it once did, and the bad acne tends to be more the deep-seated, cystic variety -- one of those suckers can remain active for two weeks+ and almost always leaves a pit and some reddened pigment in and around it. Getting disfigured like that is really distressing.

I did try antibiotics for a while. And I put benzoyl peroxide on the things, which does work on weaker spots. (Nothing seems to touch cystic acne, though, as it's too far below the surface.) My stress levels have been lower in recent months, so on the whole I've had less trouble. Still some, but less.

I wish I knew of a way of minimising the scars that didn't involve paying £3,000 for laser resurfacing, though. Has anyone ever found any stuff that helps with scars? I'm kinda sick of wasting money on crappy 'skin improving' products that make no effing difference!

ChristineSH, Saturday, 1 March 2003 02:01 (twenty-two years ago)

take this with a grain of salt: i was once recommended using FRESH pineapple or papaya on your skin to lighten scarring, etc. i think the idea was to as gently as possible exfoliate (dissolve sounds so scary!) the skin and let it rebuild itself slightly better than before. i'd imagine this would be a slow going process. and i cannot vouch for it's effectiveness, but it sort of makes sense...

ron (ron), Saturday, 1 March 2003 02:33 (twenty-two years ago)

I am pathological about zits. I can't stand to have them on my face and the instant I see one, I try to pop it. I know this will leave a little scar but better a littler scar than a zit.

(I'm starting to get to the point where I want to pop other people's zits, too. YAY I AM DEVELOPING MY VERY OWN NEUROSIS!)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Saturday, 1 March 2003 03:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Get some glycolic acid peels done by a dermatologist Christine, they're effective and relatively inexpensive - I haven't gone through an actual peel yet but I've found I've had good results even just using the lo-concentration over-the-counter primer (Don't want to trumpet name brands - unless you ask - but it's called an "oily skin solution" of AHA 8 and is a low grade chemical peel I guess. It has been completely painless/harmless even though I have fairly sensitive skin). Have you tried anything similar?

gdhbsrb, Saturday, 1 March 2003 13:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm starting to get to the point where I want to pop other people's zits, too

a possible business venture here?

MarkH (MarkH), Saturday, 1 March 2003 13:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I already bagsied that own neurosis Dan.

Graham (graham), Saturday, 1 March 2003 13:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Handling greasy food can also be a factor. Grease gets on hands, hands touch face. Also drink plenty of water and make sure to wash your hands.

lawrence kansas (lawrence kansas), Saturday, 1 March 2003 15:22 (twenty-two years ago)

No, I haven't tried anything like that. Nothing that involves peeling. Just lots of creams and oils that claim to help skin condition/skin rebuilding and all that. Of course, they don't work, but everyone except me knows that already. :)

Is the stuff you're talking about even available in the UK? I may have to ask my GP about this again, although in the past she's been utterly disinterested and dismissive about my skin problems.

ChristineSH, Saturday, 1 March 2003 15:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Not sure about UK availability, sorry! Do see your doctor, if only to get a referral to a dermatologist.

aehfrb kj, Saturday, 1 March 2003 16:07 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm starting to get to the point where I want to pop other people's zits, too

Easy, Dan. Just go up to people and tell them you're William Burroughs.

"Hi, I'm the long lost poet William S. Burroughs. I would like to pop your zits."

donut bitch (donut), Sunday, 2 March 2003 02:45 (twenty-two years ago)

four months pass...
Hey, I tried making a masque out of fresh pineapple and it rocked! I put it on my face, shoulders, and back for about fifteen minutes or so, and it did a great job getting rid of all the dead skin. Obviously YMMV and test patch first, but I like it, plus now I have a lot of yummy pineapple to eat!

teeny (teeny), Sunday, 13 July 2003 19:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Pineapple with dead skin cells -- Yummy!

; )

Paul in Santa Cruz (Paul in Santa Cruz), Sunday, 13 July 2003 20:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, it was the closest I could come to a pineapple-flavored zombie blow job.

teeny (teeny), Sunday, 13 July 2003 20:49 (twenty-two years ago)

OK so does anyone know what causes red, blotchy (not zitty, just red coloured) skin and how best to amend it? My skin is smooth and in good condition but it is so red, I hate it. I dunno if it is an allergic thing, or what. I'd kill to get rid of the redness tho.

Trayce (trayce), Monday, 14 July 2003 02:07 (twenty-two years ago)

poss. a food allergy or even dehydration. i get very red, dry skin when i booze on and don't have much water

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 14 July 2003 02:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah I'm sure the booze doesn't help :/

Trayce (trayce), Monday, 14 July 2003 02:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Some factors:

1) Rosacea (a different condition from acne; symptoms includes red blotches and different types of pimples) is known to be aggravated by alcohol and spicy foods, among other factors.

2) A zit that is showing on your face today began 4-6 weeks ago, which makes it difficult to link it to consuming a specific food.

3) An article in a recent Vogue challenged the past study that denied food-acne connections. Obviously Vogue is not a peer-reviewed medical journal, but the article in my opinion raises valid questions.

j.lu (j.lu), Monday, 14 July 2003 02:29 (twenty-two years ago)

I lost a lot of weight recently due to lack of money. I started out eating cheap stuff like oat bran, egg whites, meat and veggies (all home cooked).

I just re-read this. SC, didn't you have a huge flamewar about the evils of meat and how it causes insanity and all manner of ills, recently?

I don't mean to be a devils avocado here, I really don't - I'm just suddenly very very confused.

Trayce (trayce), Monday, 14 July 2003 06:13 (twenty-two years ago)

the only thing that affects my skin adversely is my god-damned period. maybe that is why (some) people blame food for "breaking out" - i personally consume much more chocolate around that time of the month.

di smith (lucylurex), Monday, 14 July 2003 21:43 (twenty-two years ago)

chocolate really helps your hormones...it's a natural craving and you should go with it.

teeny (teeny), Monday, 14 July 2003 21:45 (twenty-two years ago)

did you know it is CHOCOLATE WEEK in dunedin??!! they set off a bunch of spectacular fireworks down at the harbour yesterday at 7am to celebrate. it woke the whole town up and i could happily spectate from my bedroom window. man this town rules.

di smith (lucylurex), Monday, 14 July 2003 21:52 (twenty-two years ago)

the land of chocolate.... *drifts off*

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 14 July 2003 21:56 (twenty-two years ago)

what causes red, blotchy (not zitty, just red coloured) skin ?

i think water& overwashing might be part of the problem

i wash my face in the sink before i shower. i use cold water, and i use only a dab of bio-something soap. pat-dry with a fresh towel. maybe try this out.

kephm, Monday, 14 July 2003 22:06 (twenty-two years ago)

this thread is making me hungry.

di smith (lucylurex), Monday, 14 July 2003 22:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Hmm, have to concur with Di: I don't really break out, unless tis my time. (However, I crave chocolate all the time, so...;>)

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Monday, 14 July 2003 22:10 (twenty-two years ago)

i think i will have a deep fried moro bar for lunch.

di smith (lucylurex), Monday, 14 July 2003 22:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm sorry, does the question (top 'o thread) allude to Scaredy Cat eating meat?!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 14 July 2003 22:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I wanna be in Dunedin for Chocolate Week. :-(

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 July 2003 22:56 (twenty-two years ago)

yes it does

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 14 July 2003 23:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I've never been so frightened by a past comment I've made on a long forgotten thread than now.

donut bitch (donut), Monday, 14 July 2003 23:14 (twenty-two years ago)

This is nonsense. If you have bad complexion, why would your food have it as well?

oops (Oops), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 00:07 (twenty-two years ago)

I blame oops for the horned melon.

donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 00:08 (twenty-two years ago)

remind me never to eat scrapple

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 00:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I'll take that rap, hombre.

oops (Oops), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 00:10 (twenty-two years ago)

I still wanna know why SC mentioned eating meat up above and hasn't answered our questions about the seeming, erm, inconsistency with a certain other thread...

Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 01:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, he did mention going on a non-dairy diet right after that statement above. Look again.

donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 05:08 (twenty-two years ago)

(doesn't say "no meat", but I figure it's implied)

donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 05:09 (twenty-two years ago)


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