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is there anything new to be said? can anyone mention him without getting instant "oh here we go more entry-level blah" reaction? does anyone still think he's a charlatan?? how r his ideas maturing? WHAT DO you THINK??


he was good though, wasn't he

zemko (bob), Monday, 3 March 2003 09:43 (twenty-three years ago)

yes...i wish i could post a good reply right now but i haven't read anything of Mcluhan since my final year

stevem (blueski), Monday, 3 March 2003 11:51 (twenty-three years ago)

Ditto.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 3 March 2003 12:49 (twenty-three years ago)

i guess this is proving my point

zemko (bob), Monday, 3 March 2003 12:54 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.gingkopress.com/_cata/ima2/img/medima-1.jpg

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Monday, 3 March 2003 12:57 (twenty-three years ago)

I always remember feeling that his ideals were positive, but that the outcome of them was laregly negative; ie; global village, freedom of information etcetera rather than leading to a democratic play of information and opinion around the world, enlightening and uniting us all, actually leads to more people becoming frustrated with their particular lot in the face of continual exposure to 'otherness' then becoming enlightened, simply because, as a race/species/culture/whatever we're not bloody mature enough to not be jealous and petty and covetous and so on (and life is suffering because life is desire, desire for substance and soul and desire for things wot we do not have, says the buddha, and if we can only rid ourselves of these desires [by having a good old think about it till we realise they're silly] then we could be happy with what we have got and stuff, or at leats, failing that, have goals and things to do wot are not dependent on the continual creation and frustration of desires). Yes, so, Marshall McLuhan, not in the army, just called Marshall, quite a good bloke, bit ambitious.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 3 March 2003 13:04 (twenty-three years ago)

good thing: he takes the material presence of machinery seriously (unlike almost all his critics)
bad thing: he is super-panglossian

(i think that recaps what nick said actually: eg is "global village" good or bad? i grew up in a village and moved away — what happens when the village is so all-encompassing i can't move away)

mark s (mark s), Monday, 3 March 2003 13:11 (twenty-three years ago)

What's 'panglossian'?

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 3 March 2003 13:15 (twenty-three years ago)

does global village effectively mean the same thing as monoculture. why did you move away from the village mark s? i'd suggest the 'global village' concept actually provide the opposite of what you were escaping from in a way.

stevem (blueski), Monday, 3 March 2003 13:16 (twenty-three years ago)

oh no, entry-level blah!

stevem (blueski), Monday, 3 March 2003 13:17 (twenty-three years ago)

organising yr material so as to conclude that we live in "this the best of all possible worlds"

an eastern perspective

mark s (mark s), Monday, 3 March 2003 13:18 (twenty-three years ago)

my village wz planning to go to war with the entire arab world, stevem

mark s (mark s), Monday, 3 March 2003 13:19 (twenty-three years ago)

< / political satire >

mark s (mark s), Monday, 3 March 2003 13:19 (twenty-three years ago)

That really is an Eastern Perspective. Yadda. Not sure why I put 'yadda', sounds good when you say it though. We do live in 'the best of all possible worlds', don't we? Except, obv. in Kentucky or Eye-rack or Kandahar.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 3 March 2003 13:29 (twenty-three years ago)

I take offense. I live in Kentucky, and it's a wonderful place to live.

McLuhan had some good ideas. Problem was, academically speaking, that most of his stuff was 80% brand new and had no basis in academic thought before he came out with it. McLuhan was really popular in academic circles when he first started introducing theories. Then came a backlash about the newness of his theories and he was denounced. Then came the Internet and everyone loved him again. I'm not sure how academics feel about him now.

I found "Mechanical Bride" really interesting, when he's talking about how pictures of women that were cropped to only show legs were making men objectify women.

In conclusion, don't hate on Kentucky cockfarmer.

cprek (cprek), Monday, 3 March 2003 14:00 (twenty-three years ago)

One of the things I like about McLuhan but which is also confusing about him is that he does sometimes give off the impression that he's all in favour of things like the global village--especially in his '60s writing, where he seems to be feeding a little bit off his pop-cult status (rightly so, and as with the Beatles, I'd contend that his fame and notoriety ultimately made him a better critic/artist/whatever, made him probe deeper). But when you read him in interviews, particularly in those rare occasions when he'll actually reveal something about his own personal feelings (an act he claimed to deplore) about electronic media, global village, etc., he actually seems to say the opposite, and in fact (read "The Letters of Marshall McLuhan" or Phillip Marchand's excellent bio), he even compares electronic media to the anti-christ! (If I was home right now, I'd try and find a quote to this effect.) He was--by his own admission--an extremely conservative man, though not a conservative thinker, if that makes any sense. I like this contradiction because it's possible to get really excited (and even fooled) about the possibilities he presents.

s woods, Monday, 3 March 2003 15:26 (twenty-three years ago)

The Playboy Interview

s woods, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 04:21 (twenty-three years ago)

Wasn't it him who said "the medium is the message". A blatant load of bollocks, as anyone who has read the postmodernism/semiotics thread could tell you.

bert, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 15:30 (twenty-three years ago)

Well, I didn't read that thread, so perhaps you could tell me how.

s woods, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 17:43 (twenty-three years ago)

the medium is the massage, as i understood it

stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 17:50 (twenty-three years ago)

The 'massage' was his followup joke, partly, if I remember correctly, in reference to his own celebrity.

s woods, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 17:54 (twenty-three years ago)

In a true postmodern style I find myself responding more to the charge of mcluhan's language than his actual ideas, interesting though they are/were. Same with Buckminster Fuller's writing.

Nathan Webb (Nathan Webb), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 17:55 (twenty-three years ago)

four years pass...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/amoeba/21986550/

gr8080, Friday, 16 November 2007 22:22 (eighteen years ago)

three years pass...

One of the things I like about McLuhan but which is also confusing about him is that he does sometimes give off the impression that he's all in favour of things like the global village--especially in his '60s writing, where he seems to be feeding a little bit off his pop-cult status (rightly so, and as with the Beatles, I'd contend that his fame and notoriety ultimately made him a better critic/artist/whatever, made him probe deeper). But when you read him in interviews, particularly in those rare occasions when he'll actually reveal something about his own personal feelings (an act he claimed to deplore) about electronic media, global village, etc., he actually seems to say the opposite, and in fact (read "The Letters of Marshall McLuhan" or Phillip Marchand's excellent bio), he even compares electronic media to the anti-christ!

just saw 'McLuhan's Wake'. and this fact really struck me. his tone of voice, his enthusiasm, there's so much eagerness conveyed as his brain skyrockets from idea to idea. and yet, the point in the film where he spells it out (I'm paraphrasing): 'make no mistake. I think that the world I am taking pains to describe this accurately is a nightmare.'

recently at a party I discovered 'The Medium and the Light' on a bookshelf, a collection of all the interviews in which he goes into detail on his young conversion to devout Catholicism. and I was pretty stunned that I had read his work fairly widely and yet never gleaned that about him -- it's less a physical Unified Field Theory he's going for than a straight up doctrine. I have to buy that book; that party was not the best environment in which to absorb too much of that thinking but it's fairly key

http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/stories_of_faith_and_character/cs0523.htm

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 19:01 (fourteen years ago)

All sorts of stuff has been going on in Toronto for his centenary:

http://www.mcluhan100.ca/

I started university at St. Michael's College (where he taught) in September '79, same month he had his stroke.

clemenza, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 19:18 (fourteen years ago)

three years pass...

'make no mistake. I think that the world I am taking pains to describe this accurately is a nightmare.'

― Milton Parker, Tuesday, July 26, 2011 8:01 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
will have to see mcluhan's wake now!

F♯ A♯ (∞), Wednesday, 27 May 2015 19:55 (ten years ago)


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