What do you think? I am asking this question on ILE because I think here I will find more allies.
*Infuriatingly I can remember none of the great and highly debatable threads I thought up on Friday in the pub and instead can remember only the stupid one I thought up at 4 in the morning.
― Tom, Monday, 3 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
I was permanently soured on Tapestry as a teenager, not because of the music but because the most brutal, schizoid high school English teacher I ever had was a BIG fan of the album (had a portfolio with the album cover on it). Said teacher took delight in ripping up students' essays and messing with the minds of even the best writers in my school. I never had my writing ripped so mercilessly, and for such poor reasons (at least until I went to law school) -- it still pisses me off, more than a decade later.
― Tadeusz Suchodolski, Monday, 3 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Emily, Monday, 3 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― mark s, Monday, 3 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 3 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
Indeed, such appears to be the case -- lessee, "I Feel the Earth Move" I know via Belinda Carlisle (I think), "You've Got a Friend" via James Taylor (I'm assuming it's the same song), "Will You Love Me Tomorrow?" via Bryan Ferry and "You Make Me Feel" via Aretha Franklin. So I know it only through other people. ;-)
― jess, Monday, 3 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― David Inglesfield, Monday, 3 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Ally C, Monday, 3 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― jason, Monday, 3 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― nathalie, Tuesday, 4 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
At the ILE Picnic In The Sky my walkman had The Carpenter 1968-1972 on one side, and Tapestry on the other. If only you knew....
― Pete, Tuesday, 4 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Madchen, Tuesday, 4 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
Only album, played repeatedly by friends when visiting, thats ever come close to 'Tapestry' type-levels of insipidness: Paul Weller's 'Wild Wood'.
― stevo, Tuesday, 4 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Geoff, Tuesday, 4 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
Oh no wait, I like GOOD music, so I don't.
― DV, Tuesday, 4 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
Fotheringay's version of "The Way I Feel" by Gordon Lightfoot, David = GRATE for the fade-in (it's Flying Saucer Attack, it is!) alone.
The dance version of "If You Could Read My Mind" by Lightfoot that circulated a few years back = pretty boring.
― Captain Swing aka King Penda, Tuesday, 4 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Ally, Tuesday, 4 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― fred solinger, Tuesday, 4 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
Cuz it's too late, baby Yeah, it's too late Though we really did try to make it Something inside has died And I can't hide And I just can't fake it
(cue soppy strings)
― Dan Perry, Tuesday, 4 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Tom, Tuesday, 4 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 5 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― benjamin goodpants, Wednesday, 21 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
anyone who doesn't like it is a twenty genitiled motherfucker with no dick.
― DV, Wednesday, 21 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― anthony, Wednesday, 21 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
Dontcha love it?
― Yisrael Harris, Sunday, 3 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Pyth, Sunday, 3 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― emA, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― DeRayMi, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Jules (Jules), Thursday, 19 September 2002 01:07 (twenty-two years ago)
― B:Rad (Brad), Thursday, 19 September 2002 03:20 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 19 September 2002 05:04 (twenty-two years ago)
But apart from that..... I mean Carole was a grebt songwriter...but she doesnt hold a candle to Joni or Laura Nyro....
Blue is a zillion times the album that Tapestry is....
When I feel alone and let down by love I listen to "The Last Time I Saw Richard"...and blub my eyes out!....ahem....not very manly of me ...but there ya go...
"Richard married a figure skaterhe brought her a dishwasher and a coffee percolater"
....Carole King never wrote anything that grebt.
― gazza, Friday, 20 September 2002 11:45 (twenty-two years ago)
― Pete (Pete), Friday, 20 September 2002 13:25 (twenty-two years ago)
― Nicole (Nicole), Friday, 20 September 2002 13:39 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 20 September 2002 14:25 (twenty-two years ago)
― Stevie, Tuesday, 24 September 2002 20:36 (twenty-two years ago)
― Gina, Saturday, 27 March 2004 00:41 (twenty-one years ago)
word up
― dukeheavy, Saturday, 27 March 2004 01:04 (twenty-one years ago)
But, beware: Big Statement coming! Her later single 'Jazzman' (which I only ever heard on Kasey Kasam's American Top 40 show, where from memory it reached no 7 sometime late in 1974) is one of the best of all time.
Re Gordy L: Loved 'Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald'. Didn't mind 'Read My Mind' or 'Sundown'.
― Fred Nerk (Fred Nerk), Saturday, 27 March 2004 03:03 (twenty-one years ago)
There's a guy called Cliff Portwood whose albums I have ONLY EVER seen in thrift shops, and who I have otherwise never heard of.
― Fred Nerk (Fred Nerk), Saturday, 27 March 2004 03:08 (twenty-one years ago)
I think it's crap.
― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Saturday, 27 March 2004 03:32 (twenty-one years ago)
I do have to admit my own cringeworthy experience of a Carole King live show video I saw once, which cut to her Big Chill audience mouthing the words along to "You Got A Friend", clinging like shellshocked life-victims to a guru's every platitude. epitome of singersongwriter blahness! I thought - ha, how radical was I ? (this is the enemy?)
Carole King is on my mind though, cos "Snow Queen", in both the Roger Nichols & the Small Circle Of Friends and Carole King & The City versions, is one of my new favourite songs.
interesting parallel with Judy Henske too - both of them left their husbands for new bandmates.
― Paul (scifisoul), Saturday, 27 March 2004 05:39 (twenty-one years ago)
After a decade of launching other people's hits, she got the itch to sing again. Bad choice. Some good songs, though.
― Aimless (Aimless), Saturday, 27 March 2004 06:22 (twenty-one years ago)
― Johnney B (Johnney B), Saturday, 27 March 2004 09:16 (twenty-one years ago)
you say this like it's a bad thing
it's a good album, really good
― amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 27 March 2004 11:20 (twenty-one years ago)
― Paul (scifisoul), Saturday, 27 March 2004 16:58 (twenty-one years ago)
she sang You've Got a Friend with the crowd
― Surmounter, Wednesday, 22 October 2008 04:35 (sixteen years ago)
mccain was here yesterday
― jordan s (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 22 October 2008 04:37 (sixteen years ago)
he ate ribs or some shit and then left
She came to my hometown four years ago, campaigning for John Kerry in the Iowa Caucus. At a meet-n-greet prior to her talk & brief performance, people were getting records autographed, invariably "Tapestry". I was standing in line with a copy of "Writer", my personal favorite, and when she saw me like five people away, she stopped in mid-sentence, looked at the record and said, "Duuude!" Then she was very cool about taking a break to talk songs with me & my daughter for a couple of minutes.
Anyway, Tapestry classic, Carole King classy.
― groundunderweather (briania), Wednesday, 22 October 2008 06:43 (sixteen years ago)
Fuck the (mostly British) haters, I had a cassette version of Tapestry and played it in my car all through late high school. She sings in the perfect register for me to squack along since I have one of those dusty alto voices, and "Smackwater Jack" is my karaoke stand-by.
― Vampire romances depend on me (Laurel), Wednesday, 22 October 2008 13:32 (sixteen years ago)
"Home Again" makes me cry every time, like clockwork, and "Where You Lead" firmed my resolve to someday throw my lot in with the man of my heart and fit my dreams to his. Which hasn't quite worked out and chances are I'd stab him with a grapefruit spoon in that scenario but hey, I was 17.
― Vampire romances depend on me (Laurel), Wednesday, 22 October 2008 13:35 (sixteen years ago)
i apologise on behalf of the british haterz, they know not how wrong they are
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 22 October 2008 13:39 (sixteen years ago)
Like Tom I prefer Martika's version
ffs
― DavidM, Wednesday, 22 October 2008 15:06 (sixteen years ago)
I was standing in line with a copy of "Writer", my personal favorite
i love writer! "spaceship races"... sigh.
― lauren, Wednesday, 22 October 2008 15:25 (sixteen years ago)
it's too late just came on the radio. wows
― Surmounter, Wednesday, 22 October 2008 15:34 (sixteen years ago)
YOU'VE GOT TO GET UP EVERY MORNING WITH A SMILE ON YOUR FACE AND SHOW THE WORLD ALL THE LOVE IN YOUR HEART.
― ☑ (Pleasant Plains), Wednesday, 22 October 2008 18:59 (sixteen years ago)
i can roll with tapestry.
― M@tt He1ges0n, Wednesday, 22 October 2008 19:16 (sixteen years ago)
otm
― Full of high sentence, but a bit obtuse (kenan), Thursday, 23 October 2008 06:27 (sixteen years ago)
I didn't know how much I liked this album until I was in Japan, far far away from my parents' record collection, and was seized by the desire to listen to it so so strong that I could almost not bear it. And then I went to a record store and discovered there was some fancy new edition so it didn't feel too redundant to be buying it again. But it was weird to hear it again - the way it's arranged, in my head, is a hell of a lot better. Plus the version in my head doesn't have the title track or 'smackwater jack' on it because they're laaaaaaame.
I guess it's a comfort album for me? 'so far away' and 'it's too late' make me ridiculously sentimental, they're so simple and her voice is at its best, and they seem... rooted in an adult world? I get that sense of reality that I get from, uh, Luomo's 'the present lover' or something (...i don't know, i can't really explain it, there's this feeling of: this is, genuinely, what people do with their emotions in order to understand them. which isn't a feeling I get from a lot of records).
― king lame (c sharp major), Thursday, 23 October 2008 08:41 (sixteen years ago)
"So Far Away" gets me misty
― Full of high sentence, but a bit obtuse (kenan), Thursday, 23 October 2008 08:42 (sixteen years ago)
Another reminder of the mythical i.e. non-existent golden age of ILx.
― Eric in the East Neuk of Anglia (Marcello Carlin), Thursday, 23 October 2008 08:44 (sixteen years ago)
There was a golden age.
It was in 2005.
― Mark G, Thursday, 23 October 2008 09:07 (sixteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb5MORLi8K0
― iago g., Sunday, 11 April 2010 23:32 (fifteen years ago)
RIP photographer Jim McCrary - the photographer who took the cover picture.
― Vini Reilly Invasion (Elvis Telecom), Monday, 7 May 2012 03:01 (thirteen years ago)
http://devonrecordclub.com/2014/06/27/carole-king-tapstry-round-69-nicks-choice/
Naysayers are daft as hell re: this record. It's wonderful.
― i reject your shiny expensive consumerist stereo system (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 27 June 2014 11:51 (eleven years ago)
The songs on Tapestry are definitely better than the singing. King has a pleasant voice, but it is nothing special and she doesn't do many interesting things with it. The arrangements on the album are quite simple, even slight, mainly because her voice wouldn't be able to stand out against something denser or more complex. All that vocal simplicity and artlessness do add up to something rather charming, but when the material falls flat (e.g. Smackwater Jack) there's nothing much left to listen to.
― Aimless, Friday, 27 June 2014 15:33 (eleven years ago)
she's 75 today
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 9 February 2017 13:04 (eight years ago)
this record is so good
― niels, Friday, 10 February 2017 11:56 (eight years ago)
I think Carole King's "Tapestry" is RUBBISH and I believe it may have led me to use uncouth language on Friday night*.
I wonder if Tom still thinks this. Tapestry was so ubiquitous in early 70s central California - every adult whose house I found myself in played it, it felt & feels to me like an emblem of that time and place: of adults newly divorced and living in houses with batik hangings on the walls, out on the back patio drinking wine and talking with my tee-totaling (but "grass"-indulgent) Dad while I explored the living room stereos with their big woodgrain-exterior speakers atop shag rugs -- that it feels like something I can barely have an opinion about; but it was also an album that older grown-ups (my Dad, as opposed to the younger company he often kept in the wake of the divorce) accepted as worthy, took seriously.
Today I am hearing Thoroughbred from '75 for the first time: it feels like something of a masterpiece, really. It is much less intense than Tapestry -- but it's beautifully written and arranged and played. And engineered. Outstanding, really. Anybody know this one?
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Friday, 11 August 2017 17:57 (seven years ago)
Lol at Olde ILX opening of thread. Don't know from Thoroughbred. Really came to post about (one of the) drummer(s) on this, Joel "Bishop" O'Brien, Geoffrey O'Brien's brother. He always seems to pop up in interesting places, some kind of half-hidden behind-the-scenes hipster.
― The Door into Summerisle (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 11 January 2022 15:48 (three years ago)
My voice didn’t enter the story until 1975, when I met Dexter in France, the year before he returned to the States. Mine is quite a loud voice (as I have often been told) that was formed by jazz from the late 1950s when we teenage jazz fans had a little listening club (mainly boys) that would get together at Joel O’Brien’s house and listen to the latest LPs. Joel’s father was a well-known morning radio host who received DJ copies of all the latest albums.Gordon, Maxine. Sophisticated Giant (p. 7). University of California Press.
― The Door into Summerisle (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 11 January 2022 15:55 (three years ago)
I just somewhat randomly saw of picture of him with some of the cats in the band mentioned here: https://www.dailyfreeman.com/2000/11/24/the-kansas-city-sound-is-the-real-deal/
― The Door into Summerisle (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 11 January 2022 16:02 (three years ago)
released after 50 years: https://www.caroleking.com/news/home-again-live-central-park-concert-documentary-be-released-feb-9-coda-collection
(... but ILM doesn't seem to like her. I only know 2 or 3 songs I think)
― StanM, Friday, 10 February 2023 15:57 (two years ago)
Is that true? I always thought Tapestry and "It's Too Late" were revered here, there, and everywhere. It was he birthday yesterday.
― clemenza, Friday, 10 February 2023 16:27 (two years ago)
"her"
ILM doesn't seem to like her.
waht
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 10 February 2023 16:28 (two years ago)
Going by the early posts in this thread, I see what you mean...Not reflective of the general view of both her and the album, though.
― clemenza, Friday, 10 February 2023 16:29 (two years ago)
Like I need an excuse--I only post this 17 times a year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKTIxP54-54
― clemenza, Friday, 10 February 2023 16:30 (two years ago)
Thanks for the reminder, by the way, StanM--I'm going to use this today teaching.
Here's something: it's also the 50th anniversary of her BBC show, which you can either watch piecemeal or in its entirety on YouTube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqwLrJ6QWho
So that was recorded on the same day Tapestry was released.
― clemenza, Friday, 10 February 2023 16:49 (two years ago)
my pleasure! :-)
― StanM, Friday, 10 February 2023 17:19 (two years ago)
Opens here next week:
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt26420051/
― clemenza, Wednesday, 5 April 2023 14:13 (two years ago)
Here's the trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQHR1J9i8tI
― clemenza, Wednesday, 5 April 2023 14:15 (two years ago)
"Locked in a vault for 50 years" sounds so much more impressive than "collected dust on a shelf in a storage room".
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 5 April 2023 16:12 (two years ago)
I wish the show were two years earlier, the actual year of Tapestry, but I'm still excited to see it. The horn section all wearing St. Louis Blues jerseys made me laugh.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 5 April 2023 17:14 (two years ago)
― brimstead, Wednesday, 5 April 2023 17:32 (two years ago)
If Geraldo taught us anything about vaults it's that they raise unreasonably high expectations.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 5 April 2023 17:37 (two years ago)
Jeez, the album even has a cat on the cover. What the fuck sort of bug crawled up ILE's ass 20 years ago?
― henry s, Wednesday, 5 April 2023 17:42 (two years ago)
back when the album came out it had its share of haters. they were a minority, but not a tiny one
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 5 April 2023 17:46 (two years ago)
IIRC the same group of early ILXers despised Joni Mitchell, so
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 5 April 2023 17:47 (two years ago)
I wish the show were two years earlier, the actual year of Tapestry
There probably would have been a lot less people there.
― billstevejim, Wednesday, 5 April 2023 20:46 (two years ago)
Looks great but trailer has an SNL type feeling
― calstars, Wednesday, 5 April 2023 20:53 (two years ago)
surely this thread should be moved to ILM ?
i have a 2cd reissue, and dont think i have ever listened to it.so, cos of this revival i suspect it's time to dig it out
checks discogs .. turns out i have a bit of a rare reissue
https://www.discogs.com/release/2307068-Carole-King-Tapestry
― mark e, Wednesday, 5 April 2023 21:04 (two years ago)
Do they still have big free shows in Central Park? I know they have smaller-stage things throughout the summer, but are those 100K+ events a thing of the past?
― henry s, Wednesday, 5 April 2023 21:06 (two years ago)
dont think i have ever listened to it. it's time to dig it out
I'm genuinely interested in reading the first take of anyone who's not heard this album before. If that's you, plz let us know what you thought of it.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 5 April 2023 21:53 (two years ago)
For sure--you can't really have both, the moment and the massive crowd. The BBC show above would almost certainly be better performance-wise, I'm sure (still haven't gotten around to watching it).
― clemenza, Wednesday, 5 April 2023 22:04 (two years ago)