Restaurants and National Cuisine

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will there ever be a time when we will stop identifying/associating types of restaurant with nations, e.g. Indian or Italian restaurants? How long do you think it will take?

MarkH (MarkH), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 13:11 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't think we will. Its an identifier and a marketing tag as much as anything. More often than not though its a way for mid range and mediocre restaurants to differentiate them selves on the high street.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 13:17 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm still waiting for food in pill form

j0e (j0e), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 13:18 (twenty-three years ago)

bah

why have food in pill form when you can have food in foam form.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 13:19 (twenty-three years ago)

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Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 13:31 (twenty-three years ago)

It won't ever. What is even wrong with doing so? If your restaurant serves a certain style of food associated with Italy or China, what are you going to call it? It doesn't matter if the food doesn't really resemble what people eat in those countries - its the perception of the restaurants potential customers. And I doubt for many reasons there will be a time when every restaurant starts to serve no-borders radical world fusion cuisine.

Ethnic cuisines are based around having access to only certain regional ingredients and a cultural tradition - in modern industrialed society there is access to practically every ingredient and a dearth of tradition, so mabye in the far future all ethnic cuisines will be rendered irrelevant (but since I don't see the long term survival of industrialized society, so it wont happen)

fletrejet, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 13:49 (twenty-three years ago)

in nz we associate italian nibbly/finger food with upper middle class fatcats socialising to ensure their own and their children's betterment; if you wanted to rename it you could keep that in mind.

Clare (not entirely unhappy), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 21:38 (twenty-three years ago)

hmm, i tend not to say "going for an indian" any more, preferring "going for a curry", partly because only a minority of curry houses are run by indians (or people descended from indians) and also because, as i understand it, the GBC (great british curry), bares little resembalence to anything eaten in any part of the sub-continent.

does this make me a twat of some description? writing it down makes it seems like a v. pretentious/pedantic thing to do...

CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 22:15 (twenty-three years ago)

only problem is that indians aren't the only people who make curry, so it's less accurate to say 'going for a curry' if you in fact mean indian - or bastardised indian - curry. you may be taken to be referring to, for example, that wonderful malaysian dish, curry laksa; an entirely different beast, bastardised or not. but i take yr point.

in nz when you order a curry (indian, usually) they ask you how hot you want it - which is a bastardisation cause each dish should be geared one way or the other or in between on the hot scale anyway (eg vindaloo vs korma vs masala vs tandori) and then if you say 'hot' they say, 'kiwi hot or indian hot?'. and you're never sure which is hotter cause sometimes when people make curries they fuck them up and make them too hot (this often happens when the man of the house chooses to cook for the wife of the house and reminisce about his days as rootin' tootin' antipodian expat in london). so nz-hot is not what an indian waiter may think nz-hot is and nobody can agree on what it is cause not everyone has had the experience of having an intestine-dissolving curry made by a nz ex-expat.(i've had the very same made by an annoying anthropology professor who IS english. we call him 'jack russell', on account of his constant nipping and smallness, or 'old woman', on account of his moaning and bitching and strange voice - it's sexist i know, but he is too so it kinda fits) i usually end up with a dish that's too sweet and too mild; it's a fuckin lottery. the cultural thematicisation that mcdonald's employs isn't do anything to help stop people identify dishes with countries.

Clare (not entirely unhappy), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 23:24 (twenty-three years ago)

curry might be a bad example but I'm dieing to know what the Maple Leaf bar or whatever its called in London sells. If you put Artic Char on the menu and hockey jerseys on the wall you get an authentic Canadian bar, even in Canada. Markham had one, it used to crack me up that we had cartoon version of our own country being feed back to us.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 23:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Maple Leaf bar: Moose with maple syrup or friend ice hockey sticks are the only dishes, apart from snow of course. (P.S. This may not be true.)

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 12:31 (twenty-three years ago)

I have never been to a traditional Irish restaurant, has anyone else?

Lara (Lara), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 12:33 (twenty-three years ago)

I preumse it would involve a potato-heavy menu...

Lara (Lara), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 12:34 (twenty-three years ago)

The no-good TV reviewer in today's Herald starts off with the words 'Whenever I go for an Indian' and I thought she was a violent racist on top of her crapola reviewing skills.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 12:36 (twenty-three years ago)

You're in love with her, aren't you?

Lara (Lara), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 12:40 (twenty-three years ago)

No, she makes me irrationally angry. There's something about the picture bylines in the Herald that is irritating and I can't quite put my finger on it.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 12:42 (twenty-three years ago)

Ha. Love makes me irrationally angry too.

Has there ever been a newspaper of quality called The Herald?

Lara (Lara), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 12:44 (twenty-three years ago)

There's The Sidmouth Herald, of course.

Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 12:47 (twenty-three years ago)

Please elaborate...

Lara (Lara), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 12:47 (twenty-three years ago)

Maybe you are right and I am in love with her. It would be a violent love, though. Is that OK?

Please note that I am not denegrating the Herald generally.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 12:50 (twenty-three years ago)

Please note that I am not denegrating the Herald generally.

That's fine NICK DASTOOR, STAFF NUMBER 45361.

Lara (Lara), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 12:55 (twenty-three years ago)

And violent love? Is there any other kind?

Lara (Lara), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 12:55 (twenty-three years ago)

There is something about the inaccuracy of the Herald's club reviews that is extremely irritating (it may be that they pluck 'facts' out of thin air).

Madchen (Madchen), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 13:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Only a sqaure would write accurate club reviews

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 13:06 (twenty-three years ago)

can a club review ever be "accurate"? It's all about the vibe.

MarkH (MarkH), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 13:07 (twenty-three years ago)

Getting the names of the organisers right would be a good start.

Madchen (Madchen), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 13:11 (twenty-three years ago)

You mean Lulu, Casey, Arty and Garry weren't even involved??

Lara (Lara), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 13:14 (twenty-three years ago)

WHO CARES??

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 13:14 (twenty-three years ago)

Traditional Irish Restaurant=no food, and a guy comes in halfway through the meal and flings his whiskey bottle at you and says he spent all his wages and you'd have to go out and look for some scraps with your mother.

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 13:39 (twenty-three years ago)

On curry hotness: At my old favorite Indian restaurant, the waiter/sole proprietor would bring out a cup of soup before the meal, and inform you that, spicewise, that soup was a 5 on a scale of 1-10; how would you like your meal? That was helpful.

On Irish restaurants: When I was in San Francisco, there were several places advertising traditional Irish food: colcannon, boxty, some sort of stewy thing, some sort of fried thing ... it fades from the mind. Surely our American ideas of discrete foreign cultures are 100% accurate, though, no?

Paul Eater (eater), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 17:07 (twenty-three years ago)


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