"night of the hunter"

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i think that this is one of the greatest films ever made. post-expressionism meets an evil redneck-preacher, who gets defeated by an as-american-as-apple-pie relic from d.w. griffith films!

Tad (llamasfur), Sunday, 23 March 2003 05:11 (twenty-two years ago)

I was a little disappointed by this when I finally saw it in the theater. It's totally sui generis and impressive for that and a million other reasons, but it's never really worked for me as a whole. The shot of the mother underwater is astonishing, though.

I think the film has inspired even better films: Badlands for example. And that haunting "Two little children..." song was used in a recent French movie, The Devils.

Amateurist (amateurist), Sunday, 23 March 2003 05:41 (twenty-two years ago)

and "do the right thing" (only with rings, not tattoos!) that spike lee knew about NOTH made me respect him more than i might have otherwise.

Tad (llamasfur), Sunday, 23 March 2003 05:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Erm .. as a film student, why wouldn't he have?

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Sunday, 23 March 2003 05:49 (twenty-two years ago)

is that the first case of love/hate tattoos in, well, world culture? What a thing!!

g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Sunday, 23 March 2003 07:31 (twenty-two years ago)

"Scariest movie evah"?!? Not really. I liked it, but it was *quaint*. My boyfriend said the Haunted (?) was WAY scarier.

nathalie (nathalie), Sunday, 23 March 2003 11:51 (twenty-two years ago)

A terrific movie. It had what may be the lamest remake ever. In the terrifying Robert Mitchum role, the remake has (brace yourselves) Richard Chamberlain. I've not seen it, but surely in that role the only people he could scare would be those who invested in the film.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 23 March 2003 12:07 (twenty-two years ago)

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Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Sunday, 23 March 2003 12:58 (twenty-two years ago)

I did see the Richard Chamberlain version. It was pretty dull. He had his hair slicked back and facial hair in an attempt to make him looked more rugged and sinister. It didn't quite work. None of the atmosphere or menace of the original.

ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Sunday, 23 March 2003 13:41 (twenty-two years ago)

BTW, do y'all think it was better than Cape Fear? (On a theme of contemporaneous Robert Mitchum creepy roles.)

ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Sunday, 23 March 2003 14:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I like it a bit more than the Mitchum Cape Fear, yes.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 23 March 2003 14:47 (twenty-two years ago)

That was a great film. Robert Mitchum rules.

Wooly Reaper, Monday, 24 March 2003 06:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Robert Mitchum is so cool in this film. The little kids are so great too. I have that haunting song that the preacher and the old lady sing "leaning"

chaki (chaki), Monday, 24 March 2003 07:18 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought the kids were not good actors, but the little owl-faced girl is still a powerful presence.

Why didn't Laughton direct again?

Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 24 March 2003 07:20 (twenty-two years ago)

probably because Hunter made zero dollars

M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 24 March 2003 09:16 (twenty-two years ago)

There was a really good Radio 4 version of it about ten years ago which I listened to on a dreamy evening twilight on a rug in my parents garden as the dew fell upon me. Quite quite magical.

Pete (Pete), Monday, 24 March 2003 10:08 (twenty-two years ago)

one month passes...
My boyfriend said the Haunted (?) was WAY scarier.

Having finally picked NOTH up and seen it -- The Haunting (original Robert Wise version) is far more the flat out scarier, but NOTH is definitely unsettling, and as noted its cinematography is grand.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 10 May 2003 20:04 (twenty-two years ago)

I imagine that Robert Mitchum's Calypso Album is scarier. Though I like his singing in NOTH and Thunder Road.

David Beckhouse (David Beckhouse), Saturday, 10 May 2003 21:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, the cinematography is stunning, isn't it? I love all the stuff by the river. Is it on DVD, Ned? If so, must get it.

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Sunday, 11 May 2003 14:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Is it on DVD, Ned?

Sure is, and it's a great transfer, so I think. Damn skimpy on anything extra, though, which is a shame -- the original trailer, some brief notes in the booklet, that's about it.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 11 May 2003 14:30 (twenty-two years ago)

five months pass...
scary? badlands?!

"this time it'll be a privilege!" [tips hat joyfully)

the owl and the rabbit

this is oz the movie!!

prima fassy (bob), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 12:46 (twenty-two years ago)

b murray over r mitchum i say

prima fassy (bob), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 12:46 (twenty-two years ago)

it's less dreamscape cinematography blahblah Otherness and more tim westwood hollering LET'S KEEP IT GENERIC, HOLLA AT YA BUTLER

prima fassy (bob), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 12:50 (twenty-two years ago)

one month passes...
haha oz the movie?

cozen¡ (Cozen), Thursday, 1 January 2004 14:29 (twenty-two years ago)

like, oz the tv show the movie

prima fassy (bob), Thursday, 1 January 2004 15:04 (twenty-two years ago)

it's a very funny film!

prima fassy (bob), Thursday, 1 January 2004 15:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Great great film. I was all primed to hate it after it showed up on AFI's list of thrillers, but I was truly disturbed by the rural-Pentacostal-desexualizing-control-freak aspects and how they were espoused with parable clarity. And I still can't shake the lensing and editing of the scene where Mitchum drags the two kids into the cellar. The room isolated by hard edges of black, and a truly disorienting editing moment when Mitchum stretches his arms out in front of him while lying down cold on the floor of the cellar and then in the next shot with the exact same arm position is chasing the kids up the stairs! Captured nightmare logic in a way that I've rarely seen.

Thrillers that end on a note of unexpected and unabashed optimism (NotH, Femme Fatale) = even more shocking?

Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 1 January 2004 18:34 (twenty-two years ago)

i still wish i liked this film more than i do

amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 1 January 2004 18:44 (twenty-two years ago)

i wish you did too.

Prima fissy - i dont think it's funny at all - i can't understand that.

jed (jed_e_3), Thursday, 1 January 2004 19:05 (twenty-two years ago)

i still wish i liked this film more than i do

Would make a great thread.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 1 January 2004 19:56 (twenty-two years ago)

no, it could be pretty funny.

those kids are awful.

cozen¡ (Cozen), Thursday, 1 January 2004 20:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Watched it for the first time the other night. It's an odd one.The acting by all except for Mitchum is fairly wooden. The film is equal parts creepy and hammy. The kids suck big time, esp. the little boy. But the set design is great. I wonder what Welles would've done with this material.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Thursday, 1 January 2004 21:42 (twenty-two years ago)

vacillated?

jed (jed_e_3), Thursday, 1 January 2004 22:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I wonder what Welles would've done with this material.

He wouldn't have done what Laughton did with the material. What would Welles have done with any material. This is a straw man argument.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 1 January 2004 22:32 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah that doesn't really mean anything...what would cecil b. de mille done with this material?

amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 1 January 2004 22:45 (twenty-two years ago)

there are two scenes i really thought i loved:

the woman in the water, of course, the woman in the water.

when mitchum is abt to kill the woman, the shot switches from a close-up view to a shot of the full room, which because at night is bordered in black. i suppose i can't really articulate why this shot is so remarkable.

and one i hated:

the reprise of the 'don't! DON'T!' when mitchum is arrested: this was painful enough the first time round, the boy's first don't too reticent and insincere, his second much too stilted and annoying: and it's acted the same way both times. blech.

i really love the singing all throughout this film too: is that really r. mitchum's voice?

haha oz the movie! i don't see it but i want to!

are welles and laughton similar? when were they around? what's 'touch of evil' like? at all similar?

cozen¡ (Cozen), Thursday, 1 January 2004 22:54 (twenty-two years ago)

wells would've fucked up the financing and never have gotten it made is what he would've done with the material

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 1 January 2004 23:02 (twenty-two years ago)

"when mitchum is abt to kill the woman, the shot switches from a close-up view to a shot of the full room, which because at night is bordered in black. i suppose i can't really articulate why this shot is so remarkable. "

Maybe partly because the scene is so obviously shot on a sound stage and he not only doesnt attempt to hide the unreality of the thing but actually accentuates it. I suppose thats pretty radical for its time.

jed (jed_e_3), Thursday, 1 January 2004 23:16 (twenty-two years ago)

is that where you see the big shadow of mitchum with the knife raised over the bed?

amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 1 January 2004 23:53 (twenty-two years ago)

it's just prior to that, amst, mitchum has his back to his wife, looking out the window perhaps... it is fairly unremarkable, i think, but still quite bewitching.

cozen¡ (Cozen), Thursday, 1 January 2004 23:56 (twenty-two years ago)

ah yeah well see in my head this is totally a cecil b film! or like... who framed roger rabbit

anyway memory sux, i got it on tape so maybe tomorrow

prima fassy (bob), Friday, 2 January 2004 00:10 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah this film really seems like a film of moments to me.... i remember (it's been a while) a bunch of shots there were kind of fudged. it sometimes seems like laughton spent a lot of time on select shots (probably the ones people have written about) and not enough on standard dialogue or bridging sequences....

amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 2 January 2004 00:10 (twenty-one years ago)

WWOD - What Would Orson Do?

Two points - set design and river sequence alone make this a keeper.

Girolamo Savonarola, Friday, 2 January 2004 00:20 (twenty-one years ago)

i love taping things off the telly, u can get such serendipitous combos, my tape of noth also has 'peeping tom' after it! or like my classic one with 'duel in the sun' and 'suddenly last summer'. or, er... the one with 'wild things' and 'something wild'

and which do i watch most

prima fassy (bob), Friday, 2 January 2004 00:25 (twenty-one years ago)

what do you mean Girolamo Savonarola ?

jed (jed_e_3), Friday, 2 January 2004 00:27 (twenty-one years ago)

The set design of the children's room is great in that it adapts the expressionist mood without condescending towards the pro forma over-extension of psychology-into-environment. It magnifies the religious and charnel elements of the film palpably well enough to give you a sense of dread without necessarily making those direct connections between the thematics and the set aesthetics.

As for the river sequence, the pure Moses/Homer/Aesop/Brothers Grimm gels there perfectly. It's like a cohesion and perversion of every twisted bit of children's literature. Which also goes to show how perverse the genre is enough that (in my view) censorship is a moot point when we let children read things like that which are just as grotesque. (Which to me is fine - it's the censorship that I'm patronizing.)

Girolamo Savonarola, Friday, 2 January 2004 00:45 (twenty-one years ago)

What Girolamo said.

(another good thread idea.)

Eric H. (Eric H.), Friday, 2 January 2004 01:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, some of you all are seriously fucking up the results a small group of friends and I came up with for the open-ended debate (inspired by a separate online discussion) on what film was the most universally beloved amongst film fans of all stripes, be it auteurist, buffdom, histiorian, critical, whatever...

Passion of Joan of Arc got some soft support, Sunrise (my personal guess) nearly came out on top, but in the end we had settled on Night of the Hunter. Now I have to open the question back up among my chums.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Friday, 2 January 2004 01:22 (twenty-one years ago)

nice going assholes!

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 2 January 2004 01:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I guess I've come to the realization that the right answer for the universally beloved film wasn't Sunrise, Joan of Arc, or Night of the Hunter all along. I have yet to meet someone who's seen Make Way for Tomorrow and not loved it.

There, now destroy that one you ciniphile-nihilist fuckers!

Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 15 January 2004 14:26 (twenty-one years ago)

on TCM tomorrow night (6/15) at 8pm

Gukbe, Tuesday, 14 June 2011 20:48 (fourteen years ago)

eight months pass...

so, Gish fires one shot at Mitchum and he goes squawking into the barn like a cartoon rooster? mysteriously unsatisfying climax, and someone on the Criterion commentary says as much.

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 March 2012 12:17 (thirteen years ago)

That whole sequence is perfectly filmed.

Eric H., Thursday, 8 March 2012 12:31 (thirteen years ago)

just disappointingly conceived?

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 March 2012 12:43 (thirteen years ago)

Not really disappointing by my estimation.

Eric H., Thursday, 8 March 2012 12:46 (thirteen years ago)

I regard this as one of the two or three closest things to a perfect movie.

Eric H., Thursday, 8 March 2012 12:46 (thirteen years ago)

Chiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiillllldreeennnn.....

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 March 2012 14:25 (thirteen years ago)

I MUST see this movie again! Soon.....

*tera, Thursday, 8 March 2012 23:26 (thirteen years ago)

I've never really done too much hard thinking about it, but the ending certainly seems deliberate in its effect--Gish's character is certainly as archetypal as Mitchum's in that respect...

ryan, Thursday, 8 March 2012 23:36 (thirteen years ago)

seven years pass...

Just found the book Night of the Hunter on a bargain table and read it; it's actually very good and it turns out the movie is a REALLY faithful adaptation.

Lily Dale, Monday, 18 November 2019 03:46 (six years ago)

This is true and was trying to remember it when somebody said something similar on the thread about The Maltese Falcon.

Irae Louvin (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 18 November 2019 03:57 (six years ago)

four years pass...

I watched this three days ago. I can't stop thinking about it...

Sade of the Del Amitri (dog latin), Saturday, 7 September 2024 00:07 (one year ago)

"Once upon a time there was a pret-ty fly... She flew away, away, awayyy..."

Sade of the Del Amitri (dog latin), Saturday, 7 September 2024 00:10 (one year ago)

Chiiiiiiiiiiiiiiildreeeeeeeeeeeeeennnnnnn

H.P, Saturday, 7 September 2024 00:23 (one year ago)

Watched it recently too. The sail-boat + pearl signing scene so beautiful

H.P, Saturday, 7 September 2024 00:25 (one year ago)

leeeeeeaaaaning

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 7 September 2024 00:35 (one year ago)

The religious sensibilities of Harry Powell vs. Rachel Cooper one of the more interesting parts of the movie to me. Both operate with a similar form of zeal. It is a very strange story where religious fanaticism is criticised throughout the film, even when Rachel is originally introduced, and then we get a complete turn around where Rachel’s fanaticism channeled into a strict moral sense of the world is the saving grace of the Children. The John and Moses scene shows the malleability of Rachel’s zeal to the protection of those around her. Powell’s zeal manifests solely in his self-interest. Does the zeal enable/catalyse their temperaments? I get some would say Harry Powell’s “religion” is a scam, and from an outsiders perspective this is obvious, but I don’t think it’s a scam for him. It’s a weapon that he believes in. He simply never breaks the act, and the first scene of him driving sets us up to know this is who he is to himself. The movie reveals zeal to be a blank canvas only in the last act. I think it is really smart to do so

H.P, Saturday, 7 September 2024 00:37 (one year ago)

xp and the leaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaning duet is the crescendo of all that!^^ Harry disappears when the light of Ruby comes into the scene. Rachel has an exterior object in her zeal, she sings “leaning on Jesus” while Harry merely sings “leaning”, no definitive object to ground his zeal. It’s as if Ruby is correcting his zeal when she comes in with her part: “you missed the most important lyric!”

H.P, Saturday, 7 September 2024 00:41 (one year ago)

Anyways, I loved this movie

H.P, Saturday, 7 September 2024 00:41 (one year ago)

I teach it every semester and it freaks out my students; it fits no preconceived notions of narrative.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 7 September 2024 00:52 (one year ago)

Why are they all yelling “Bluebeard” at him during the courtroom scene?

henry s, Saturday, 7 September 2024 01:02 (one year ago)

Must have had a Bluebeard in the original colour

H.P, Saturday, 7 September 2024 03:05 (one year ago)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluebeard?

Bad Bairns (Boring, Maryland), Saturday, 7 September 2024 03:54 (one year ago)

Bluebeard" (French: Barbe bleue, [baʁb(ə) blø]) is a French folktale, the most famous surviving version of which was written by Charles Perrault and first published by Barbin in Paris in 1697 in Histoires ou contes du temps passé. The tale tells the story of a wealthy man in the habit of murdering his wives and the attempts of the present one to avoid the fate of her predecessors.

Bad Bairns (Boring, Maryland), Saturday, 7 September 2024 03:55 (one year ago)

It's the best depiction of the early 20th century rural America I've read about: kind and neighborly and ready to lynch you at a moment's notice.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 7 September 2024 09:18 (one year ago)

The soundtrack with Laughton narrating is a total trip

https://open.spotify.com/track/7m5eep5h1CTw387aawZR91?si=E8S64x4nQDa_xJHGmClIgA

Sade of the Del Amitri (dog latin), Sunday, 8 September 2024 02:47 (one year ago)

It's beem days now and I am obsessed with this film

Sade of the Del Amitri (dog latin), Sunday, 8 September 2024 02:48 (one year ago)

I thought I’d clicked on the Minions thread and was surprised and confused for a while

Chuck_Tatum, Sunday, 8 September 2024 16:05 (one year ago)

one year passes...

Owned the Criterion Bluray for a while but just now saw it for the first time theatrically thanks to a one-off Alamo screening (possibly because the film does end with Christmas, who knows). Anyway, what a treat to see that way.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 29 December 2025 23:43 (three days ago)

This is one of my favorite movies. Any other old flicks that are sorta like this?

Cow_Art, Monday, 29 December 2025 23:59 (three days ago)

I know I said on another thread that I haven't seen any old movies. But I've seen the best ones, and this is probably the best one.

Jonk Raven (dog latin), Tuesday, 30 December 2025 01:05 (two days ago)

This is one of my favorite movies. Any other old flicks that are sorta like this?

I wish

Eric Blore Is President (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 December 2025 01:06 (two days ago)

Maybe a bit of a stretch but I would like to recommend Curse of the Cat People. #onethread

Eric Blore Is President (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 December 2025 01:07 (two days ago)

Carnival of Souls, maybe?

Jonk Raven (dog latin), Tuesday, 30 December 2025 01:16 (two days ago)

It's been a while since I saw it but Shadow Of A Doubt might fit

Jonk Raven (dog latin), Tuesday, 30 December 2025 01:23 (two days ago)

Ah, I should watch this again. I've seen it just once and it blew my mind.

jmm, Tuesday, 30 December 2025 01:23 (two days ago)

I might try and lobby a rewatch to my partner tomorrow. God, will she like it? I hope so...

Jonk Raven (dog latin), Tuesday, 30 December 2025 01:35 (two days ago)

I know I said on another thread that I haven't seen any old movies. But I've seen the best ones, and this is probably the best one.

― Jonk Raven (dog latin)

No, there aren't really. Laughton came up with something unique in tone and texture.

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 30 December 2025 01:51 (two days ago)

It's sort of a one-off, road not taken. Laughton never got to direct another film.

Eric Blore Is President (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 December 2025 01:52 (two days ago)

I really slept on this one since I generally don't watch movies this old unless they're from Europe. But wow, so amazing, when the kids take off in the boat and the girl starts singing, I remember it at least has someone else actually doing the singing maybe? probably? so it has this otherworldy quality to it. Gonna make a wild guess that David Lynch was a fan of that part too.

encino morricone (majorairbro), Tuesday, 30 December 2025 09:32 (two days ago)

A fave moment is when she fires the gun into the dark and he lets out a yelp like a Looney Tunes character.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 30 December 2025 13:28 (two days ago)

Our local indie theater is showing an old 16mm print of this next week, I’m gonna go. I don’t think I’ve ever seen it on a screen bigger than a TV.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 30 December 2025 13:45 (two days ago)

That Looney Tunes moment discomfited my students when I showed it this fall; they weren't sure if they were supposed to laugh. I said, "Laugh!"

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 30 December 2025 13:46 (two days ago)

I notice that people are either too ready to laugh old movies, or are afraid to.

cryptosicko, Tuesday, 30 December 2025 13:56 (two days ago)

An "old school" movie for students is anything before 2010.

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 30 December 2025 13:57 (two days ago)

I watched this once with a group of people, one of who was treating it as a straight comedy and laughing hysterically all the way through. It was really annoying.

This is one of my favorite movies. Any other old flicks that are sorta like this?

I've been trying to think of anything and no, not really. Plenty of noir films saturated with an impending sense of doom though. I'd guess Fritz Lang's M was an influence on Laughton, more so than something like The Grapes of Wrath.

a stadium filled with people in cheesecloth shirts (Matt #2), Tuesday, 30 December 2025 14:02 (two days ago)

Visually, I was thinking of some Murnau, like Sunrise. But the tone of this movie is so strange.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 30 December 2025 14:15 (two days ago)

The best I can do here is second James Redd's endorsement of Curse of the Cat People.

cryptosicko, Tuesday, 30 December 2025 14:17 (two days ago)

There’s a scene in this where Mitchum lets out one of the most visceral screams ever recorded

Heez, Tuesday, 30 December 2025 14:32 (two days ago)


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