People You Suspect Are Frighteningly Overrated But Don't Actually Know Enough About To Say So

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Or "Bill Hicks: Classic Or Dud" if you like.

― Tom, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Hicks was really a humane, sensible person, and that compromised his funniness, perhaps fatally.

― dave q, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

pat smear

― anthony, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Hicks's appalling musical bits don't exactly add to his funniness either.

― Richard Tunnicliffe, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Einstein, Goethe, Gauss and Marx

― mark s, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Sol Campbell actually. Haven't paid much attention to English footie in the past few years, yet I was once at White Hart Lane when he played for Spurs and I still don't know if he's any good. Yet I suspect he is still one of these clunky English defenders and therefor not worth the salary he was demanding.

― Omar, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

You're dead right about Sol Campbell actually, I was at work yesterday and I said I thought he was over-rated, and everyone looked at me, then my boss went I think you're dead right. Obviously they wished they'd said it then.

― Ronan, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

He kept falling over yesterday. I think he is indeed overrated. And I know fuck all about football, so he definitely belongs on this thread.

Tom Wolfe. Jeanette Winterson. Eric Rohmer.

― Nick, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Kathy Acker.

― Billy Dods, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Gerard Houllier, The Beatles,

― Ronan, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

You are all on the money about Sol Campbell, he is a footballing bully, if the attacker is smaller than him he pushes them around, as soon as he meets his match they have him trembling, eg Emile Heskey, and the sub who came on for Albania last night. and his distribution is rubbish.

others for me = Hardy and Shakespeare, can't get into either so haven't read enough to argue sensibly.

― cabbage, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

As Mark S pointeth out: Television. The medium not the band.

― Tom, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Television. The band not the medium. I've heard Marquee Moon (the song) once and thought - that's a bit long and boring innit?

― Pete, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

My friends dad likes Television, and always recommends them to us, but then he also likes Ocean Colour Scene.

― Ronan, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Stephin Merritt

― John Davey, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Blimey, surprise result there. I was expecting a "John Wayne was a fag" moment. ;) Mr. Houllier is indeed the most overrated manager in footie today, after Van Gaal of course (but that goes without saying).

― Omar, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

All of Krautrock. Albert Ayler, Alice Coltrane. Serge Gainsbourg. Laurel and Hardy.

― Tim, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

btw who is this Stephen Merritt fellow whose name is dropped everywhere. So yeah, I suspect whoever he is, he must be frighteningly overrated.

― Omar, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

fuck yas all, you just wanted big purple-veined dick jokes uinstead of the hanging flaps of nacny reagan's cunt...bill hicks was beautiful. frank zappa on de other hand is way shite.

― Geoff, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Stephen Merritt, Magnetic Fields guru type guy. Over-rated maybe but still great.

― Ronan, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Laurie Anderson.

― Richard Tunnicliffe, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

herman melville. sol campbell. outkast.

― gareth, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Ron Atkinson

― Ronan Fitzgerald, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

ally.

― ethan, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Morrisey

Any British author of novels of past two decades

― dave q, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

All the fiction ever written.

― Ronan, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

By whom, exactly, are Laurie Anderson, Ron Atkinson and Ally rated?

― Nick, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Big Ron is rated by ITV clearly. As for the other two you're on your own.

― Ronan, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I dunno, lots of people seem to like her. I remember her being on the front cover of the Wire a couple of years back FWIW.

― Richard Tunnicliffe, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Tom Waits, Nick Cave, Virginia Woolf, Alesandro Del Piero, Willy Wonka's chocolate.

― Martin, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

If only Mark S was still running The Wire then we'd get Ally on the cover too.

― Tom, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

*sighs* Nick, stop denying your love for me. It's okay.

― Ally, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Bob Dylan.

Oh, and that fizzy Willy Wonka bar you can get is wonderful!

― Bill, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Tom: as you recall in my mentalist plan to conquer the world I only put inanimate objects on the cover!!

Actually there were exceptions.

― mark s, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I am an inanimate object.

― Ally, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Object of Nicks hated/affection.

― Ronan, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

hatred even

― Ronan, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Frank Zappa, Daniel Cohn-Bendit, Annie Proulx, Tim Burton, Filipo Inzhagi, Wired magazine, Beck, Camille Paglia, Michel Foucalt, South Park.

― stevo, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

(i like south park but what d'you NOT have to know abt to be uncertain whether it's as overrated as you suspect?)

― mark s, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Myself, of course. Thankfully I've avoided looking into my own soul and finding out more about me, so I'll never know.

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

IL*.

― Robin Carmody, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

That Brasseye bloke. Samantha Mumba. Mark Rothko.

― jel, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Zappa, Freud and Jung.

― nathalie, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Prefab Sprout

― Arthur, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

alt country

― dave q, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

can i guve props to billy budd

― anthony, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I bet that Alex Rodriguez is overrated.

― Ally, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Alex Rodriguez is underrated, if anything. Overpaid, maybe.

― Kris, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh, to answer the question, Condoleeza Rice.

― Kris, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Overpaid is a good word, yeah.

― Ally, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

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Hey!

― Luna Schlosser, Friday, 1 May 2020 14:11 (five years ago)

Just giving myself a slap for clicking on this thread again

― Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 1 May 2020 14:16 (five years ago)

giving Chinaski a slap, then myself, then leaving

― imago, Friday, 1 May 2020 14:35 (five years ago)

I'm happy they're there, putting out their scabrous take on Millets, Stephen Hendry's hair (probably) and fish and chips every year but sometimes you just gotta say it! I'm glad I said it. I feel cleansed.

― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Friday, 1 May 2020 14:36 (five years ago)

Half Man Half Biscuit get a pass for being the only band to ever mention Chatteris, the bleak Norfolk town I spent my pre-teens having to visit on occasion, in song.

― help yourself to another slice of apple ... crumble (Willl), Friday, 1 May 2020 14:38 (five years ago)

Although mentioning Chatteris in song is shit whimsy so pass revoked

― help yourself to another slice of apple ... crumble (Willl), Friday, 1 May 2020 14:39 (five years ago)

Grayson Perry

― fetter, Friday, 1 May 2020 14:58 (five years ago)

b-but i thought amateurish mediocrity was what made brit-art so distinctly erm... shite!

― calzino, Friday, 1 May 2020 15:21 (five years ago)

Yes, Grayson Perry, don't get him at all.

― The Corbynite Maneuver (Tom D.), Friday, 1 May 2020 16:35 (five years ago)

His Reith lectures were great, his tv shows are very thoughtful, he seems to be a natural at connecting with different sections of society and uses that to feed interesting ideas into his art. But I don't care for his art.

― a slice of greater pastry (ledge), Friday, 1 May 2020 16:42 (five years ago)

Of all the 'graphic novels' by celebrity names who know fuck all about making comics, Grayson Perry's is, by some distance, the worst I've ever seen.

― Ward Fowler, Friday, 1 May 2020 16:53 (five years ago)

I listened to him on Richard Herring (yes, I know) and he was a bit 'you can't say anything any more; I like to go on Twitter and wind people up'. Meh/

― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Friday, 1 May 2020 17:33 (five years ago)

oh yeah, in the “ideas, but in comic form” stakes I’d submit Bjarke Ingels, who has been showing his entire ass to the field of architecture lately

― mh, Friday, 1 May 2020 17:56 (five years ago)

This is probably more for a 'thing that really irritates you and christ why do the have so much acclaim' thread

How is that not this thread

― brimstead, Friday, 1 May 2020 18:19 (five years ago)

Oh wait it’s more self congratulatory

― brimstead, Friday, 1 May 2020 18:20 (five years ago)

Aristotle

― COVID and the Gang (jim in vancouver), Friday, 1 May 2020 18:24 (five years ago)

xp It's an "overrated" thread - if you have any awareness that your opinion might be at all subjective, you have to leave that shit at the door, it harshes everyone else's rage buzz.

― Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 1 May 2020 18:26 (five years ago)

aristotle is surely the smartest person to have been wrong about everything

― The Cognitive Peasant (ogmor), Friday, 1 May 2020 18:35 (five years ago)

aristotle is surely the smartest person to have been wrong about everything

― The Cognitive Peasant (ogmor)

excuse me the ghost of athanasius kircher would like to have a few words with you

― Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 1 May 2020 18:39 (five years ago)

Syd Barrett

― the grateful dead can dance (anagram), Friday, 1 May 2020 18:42 (five years ago)

Tbf the same could be said of Plato.

xp

― pomenitul, Friday, 1 May 2020 18:44 (five years ago)

Syd Barrett’s eyes are underrated

― brimstead, Friday, 1 May 2020 18:53 (five years ago)

anagram outed as Roger Waters

― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Friday, 1 May 2020 18:54 (five years ago)

if you have any awareness that your opinion might be at all subjective, you have to leave that shit at the door, it harshes everyone else's rage buzz.

That describes like 90% of ilx tho

― Rodent of usual size (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 1 May 2020 19:05 (five years ago)

Ban all opinions imo.

― pomenitul, Friday, 1 May 2020 19:09 (five years ago)

xp nah, about 5% of ILM, max

― Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 1 May 2020 19:27 (five years ago)

The Shaggs

― Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Monday, 4 May 2020 03:17 (five years ago)

they taught me who parents are!

― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 4 May 2020 05:02 (five years ago)

and gave me my philosophy of the world!

― My Chess Hustler (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 4 May 2020 05:04 (five years ago)

two weeks pass...

eileen myles

― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 18:53 (five years ago)

yes

― adam, Tuesday, 19 May 2020 18:57 (five years ago)

Wikipedia: Novelist Dennis Cooper has described Myles as "one of the savviest and most restless intellects in contemporary literature."

If this is the highest praise from the most prominent proponent that the Wikipedia contributor could scrounge up, then I find it hard to believe the subject is "frighteningly overrated" by anyone outside of some incestuous little coterie of mutually admiring artistes.

― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 19:05 (five years ago)

how about: i suspect she's overrated by the people i know who care about poetry?

― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 19:05 (five years ago)

which i know more than a few

― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 19:06 (five years ago)

dennis cooper rocks though so now i'm thinking about interrogating this suspicion

― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 19:06 (five years ago)

recently read Chelsea Girls and it's great. can't speak for her poetry.

― by the light of the burning Citroën, Tuesday, 19 May 2020 19:11 (five years ago)

It's funny to police this thread over the lack of an objective standard for "overrated" rather than the embarrassing smugness of the premise. The micro-scale of Brad's example is slightly more interesting, I think, than those posters above the skip bravely naming Marx, Freud, "All of Krautrock," etc

― dip to dup (rob), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 19:18 (five years ago)

Neil Gaiman. But not Amanda Palmer because, afaict, nobody rates her.

― Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 19:36 (five years ago)

Amanda Palmer has 15,674 patrons on Patreon, so apparently some people rate her.

― Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 20:50 (five years ago)

This thread title describes my feelings on The Frogs. Brought this up on their thread, but seeing this reminded me again...

― Evan, Tuesday, 19 May 2020 21:03 (five years ago)

(xp) She might be a genius, all I know is that everyone ILX seems to hate her.

― Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 21:46 (five years ago)

Some people's talents lie in making transcendent music for a niche audience. Some people bring art to the masses. Amanda's talent is in shameless grifting. Who are we to judge which is better?

― Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 21:50 (five years ago)

I just listened to 45 seconds of 'Drowning in the Sound' and it immediately silenced the part of me that wants to give every musician a fair shake. The album it's culled from reportedly last 78 minutes.

― pomenitul, Tuesday, 19 May 2020 21:52 (five years ago)

"Amanda Palmer has 15,674 patrons on Patreon"

I calculate that I had probably had that at least that many dumps by the age of 36 if I had a dump average of 1.2 a day.

― calzino, Tuesday, 19 May 2020 21:56 (five years ago)

her lowest tier is $1 and her highest is $250, if her average supporter is giving $5 then that's $78,370 per month, for Patreon alone, no I am not obsessed by this

― Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 22:10 (five years ago)

imagine getting paid $250 a dump, but only once every 6400 dumps
show your math

― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 00:17 (five years ago)

If I get backpaid calzino’s $3.2milli now, I bet I can make it last until the next big dump drop. Even if I lash out with that bounty and eat meat twice a week, it shouldn’t bring my average down to 1.2/day.

― Bleeqwot (sic), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 00:42 (five years ago)

it's the .2 that really gets ya

― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 01:12 (five years ago)

Eileen Myles is awesome

Every time I've housesit for a homo friend I always see some Dennis Cooper novel on the shelf called Scum or Tripe or Bum or something and I crack it open thinking "ok maybe this is the one that everybody says I simply must read" and I suffer for twenty-odd pages of utter illegible nonsense before giving up and thinking that maybe JT Leroy wasn't so bad after all

― it’s been one week since you pissed on me (flamboyant goon tie included), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 02:42 (five years ago)

I did pause when one of the members of my book club asked whether or not I would want to know Dennis Cooper personally

― Dan S, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 02:53 (five years ago)

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