People You Suspect Are Frighteningly Underrated But Don't Knw Enough to Say So?

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Billy Sherrill

dave q, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

DIE DIE DIE. Sorry, I'm an anti-Sherrill type. Fred will disagree but is wrong.

My answer: Alan Wilder.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Lol Tolhurst.

Dan Perry, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

WHAT??? Lol Tolhurst? You think it's some kind of coincidence that LOL is now online parlance for laughing out loud at the awful horrible thing that is Lol Tolhurst?

Okay, now that I've said that, I'll say this: if you're talking about Lol Tolhurst up until the point where he was handed a tambourine and asked to stand off to the side where no one could see him -- as in, first three or four records Tolhurst, I'm completely with you. And since no one ever reminisces about how great Tolhurst was during that period, okay. Okay, actually, yes, I completely agree with you.

But you must admit that he is now humiliated on like a cottage-cheese level. I mean, that little post-booting record of his? His sad, sad showing in the Great Cure Legal Battle? I mean, when you try to convince people that Smith is a fat drunken lout and they completely believe you but still think you're worse -- something bad is happening.

Nitsuh, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

No one's denying the sad husk that Lol eventually devolved into, at least I'm not. However, it must be said that one of the things that makes _Pornography_ such an effective album is the thunderingly oppressive drumming, for which Lol was solely responsible. Hell, his addition to the poppy singles of 1982/1983 and their b-sides were also non-negligible. For a while, he and Robert were The Cure.

It's kind of sad seeing someone lose it so profoundly. His steep decline has caused people to forget that he used to be fucking great (and, in the right circumstances, which would not be the five months after being kicked out of the group, he could be fucking great again).

Dan Perry, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Goddamn, Nitsuh, are you the secret Cure obsessive that's not been outed yet until now? YOU ARE ONE OF US.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I didn't think it was all that secret, Ned. I mean, I knew and I can be Mr. Oblivious (see me still thinking Ally was a year older than me up until last year).

Dan Perry, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Oh, I'm sure it's come up before. But I had either missed it or forgotten until this salient explosion of bile.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ahh, Cure obsessions. Sometimes I'm very glad that I'm black, because if I weren't I imagine there'd be a bunch of embarrassing old make-up and trainers photos from my Cure-loving days. Luckily, I just bought a t-shirt and kept the rest to myself.

But on the other hand, I've barely listened to anything post- Disintegration, and my ownership of the back catalog isn't that complete either. I was into the Cure at that early age where owning two of a band's records and listening to them constantly still constituted some kind of "obsession."

That legal battle, though ... hilarious!

Lol: I'd like the record to reflect that Fat Bob is a dictatorial drunkard who can't even play his own songs, and when he plays the wrong chord he just plays it again later so it sounds intentional.

Bob: I'd like the record to reflect that while Lol is both twice as drunk and twice as pudgy as I am, he hasn't actually played an instrument in approximately four years. For the "Catch" video, we just handed him a violin and said, "Here, pretend you're actually contributing to this music."

I'm in favor of an Easy Cure reunion, but I get the feeling it'd be more likely that Bob calls up Smashing Pumpkins and asks to replace Billy. Which only Ned would be interested in. :)

Nitsuh, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Sometimes I'm very glad that I'm black, because if I weren't I imagine there'd be a bunch of embarrassing old make-up and trainers photos from my Cure-loving days. Luckily, I just bought a t-shirt and kept the rest to myself.

I have a feeling Dan is glad for the same reason, but would have gone ahead and done it anyway if he wasn't in Minnesota. ;-)

I'm in favor of an Easy Cure reunion, but I get the feeling it'd be more likely that Bob calls up Smashing Pumpkins and asks to replace Billy. Which only Ned would be interested in. :)

YES I WOULD BE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Dan, are you old enough to remember Eloise, the woman who worked at Northern Lights and Platters and was Minneapolis' most legendary groupie figure (record store guys called her Red Door Clinic). Anyway, she had the jones for Disco Bob and claimed to have successfully notched him up. Though I have a feeling it was more likely to have been a roadie.

Eeewwww. Have interviewed said group twice and found it initially daunting, but R. Smith was nice to me and plied me with loads of alcohol once we finished up. Then took my friend Josie the Flapper (biggest Cure fan going) to meet him at Earl's Court and she melted when he started doing toddler dancing with his 4 year old niece.

suzy, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Hmm... I don't remember a woman named Eloise at Northern Lights, but then again I never struck up a conversation with the people who owrked there. I was usually too much in a rush to get back home and play whichever Skinny Puppy/Ministry/Severed Heads/My Life With The Thrill Kill Kult/Cure/Smiths/New Order/INXS/Die Warzau/Nitzer Ebb/Shriekback album I'd just gotten my hands on.

I am purposely not reacting to your statements about interviewing The Cure because I don't want to implode into a seething ball of jealousy and awe.

Dan Perry, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Tch, I nearly imploded myself when asked to do it. Once for the Musicland mag Request and then for Volume - so you probably have both of those. Ex-boyfriend 'featured' in one of their videos after they'd lost it a bit (and no, I'm not saying who because it wasn't that serious, would be totally irrelevant to Americans, and he ain't the man he used to be). But seriously, I think they were nice to me because my friend Mark, a sound engineer, is one of Perry Bamonte's best friends since the year zero.

Minneapolis record store culture saved my life; I knew those people because of Michelle Strauss, who was Punk Princess and saved me from being ripped to shreds by Future Teen Pregnancy Stats-type mall rat girls at school. Michelle was ace and introduced me to Replacements/ Hüskers/Babes types as soon as I was 'old' enough to hop a 12 downtown (I was never an Uptown punka, though, due to skateboard/flannel phobia). And got 'scenester discount' starting on my 16th birthday, but I did stalk the import shipment faithfully each week, and it was the end of my world if the damn thing was held up at Customs. Whenever I go back it's weird because the people who worked there now run other shops and are, with a few cool exceptions, weird and resentful about my escape.

What is it about Nettwerk Records and people (well, guys) from the outer Mpls. burbs? My friends and I had this joke about guys from Plymouth/Blaine/Robbinsdale who got into Dep Mode as their Industrial Starter Band and months later it was all "I hate Depeche Mode" even though they were loading the Puppy records into CD players in Daddy's SAAB and shopping for baggy linen In-Wear in the downtown Dayton's rather than getting into hand-to-hand thrift combat with me at Ragstock warehouse.

suzy, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Heh. The only reason I'm buying the Depeche Mode catalogue now instead of back then is because I had a best friend who had all the albums and we treated our record collections like two parts of a greater whole. At any rate, I wouldn't have fallen into that stereotype because I made a conscious decision at a young age that I shouldn't dismiss old bands that I enjoyed just because I found a new band that I enjoyed more. This is partially why my default music taste is everything and why people experience severe cognitive dissonance when they look at my CDs.

See, it's great that you had a bus that could get you into Minneapolis. There was a bus stop in Hastings that allegedly could get you to St. Paul, but I never saw a bus there in 16 years, plus we lived so far outsideof town that it was a 15 minute drive to get to that bus stop, at which point you might as well drive the remaining 30 minutes to the Cities. Add to this never owning a car and strict parents who were wary of letting me out of their sight up until I left for college. My first concert (without my parents) occured at age 18. (Urban Dance Squad & Living Colour, which was AWESOME.)

Dan Perry, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yeeee-ouch. And I was depressed when I had to spend the weekend in Eagan with my dad and his obese freckled wife. Jaded, moi?

suzy, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I have found that those industrial types who pretend to hate Depeche even though that's what got them started are not to be trusted, dealt with or even acknowledged. They are EVIL SKANKY LIARS.

That you interviewed Rob S., Suzy, also fills me with seething discontent. But as I have had the chance to intervi ew Kevin Shields, I really can't complain. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The Original Harmony Ridge Creek Dippers!

jel, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

three weeks pass...
dan perry.

patsy, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Patsy is my new hero.

Dan Perry, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Stevie T is underrated. I know this. He should get it together and write an excellent book. I would love to read it.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Dan is very underrated, he's like the best person around these parts.

Ally, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

When he plays the wrong chord he just plays it again later so it sounds intentional.

Is this supposed to be a criticism?

Frank Kogan, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

one year passes...
Katie Derham.

Price, Saturday, 14 December 2002 11:25 (twenty-three years ago)

five years pass...

RICH BOY

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 17 February 2008 01:54 (seventeen years ago)

wow totally thought this was an ilm thread

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 17 February 2008 01:57 (seventeen years ago)

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