Surnames and marriage

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Not a hypothetical question for me, as you know...

I like Matt's surname and wouldn't mind being called it. But I also like mine (though not necessarily its provenence), and would feel strange about losing the 'identity' I've had for 25 years. Quite apart from any concerns about good old-fashioned sexism...

(I will keep it as my writing name anyway, as it's what I've already been published as - inasfar as I have been.)

So what do we feel about double-barreling etc? Women keeping their name? How to name children? Any legal complications?

Archel (Archel), Thursday, 3 April 2003 11:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

Pam and I are quite into double-barrelling as long it's the Hopkins-coined spoonerism Jerry-Bones.

I'm not aware of any legal issues at all with retention of maiden name.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 3 April 2003 11:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

Double barelling, dud.

As far as I know there are no legal complications about the woman keeping her own name, but there would be a decision to be made about naming any children.

I don't really want to lose my name when (if) I get married, especially not professionally (just in case I've managed to get a good reputation), but I don't know if you can keep it professionally but change names in private life.

Every female friend I've had get married has changed her name. And if you kept your own name but the children got his name that would be really confusing for schols etc.

Vicky (Vicky), Thursday, 3 April 2003 11:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

with my hella cool surname, why aren't people queuing to marry me?

g-kit (g-kit), Thursday, 3 April 2003 12:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Is your last name kitten?

I think I shall change my last name when I get married, but save my maiden name for writing stuff. Yup.

Mandee, Thursday, 3 April 2003 12:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

double barreling is v. classic. one of my managers surname is maxwell-ferguson.

thuddd (thuddd), Thursday, 3 April 2003 12:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

I have no firm view either way except that I am starting to get a bit cacked off with those that do, on either side, for their inability to do what Kerry Packer does best and MIND THEIR OWN BUSINESS!!

Last wedding I attended, I have attended many at this particular church (I'm a member there) and they take the couple off into a back room to sign the papers. When they return they are introduced by whatever names they wish to be known as post-Big Event. The silence that awaited the introduction was a bit like waiting for Beckham to take a last-second penalty at Wembley, and when the bride was introduced by hubby's name I swear I heard tongues click and I almost half expected to see money change hands.

Fred Nerk, Thursday, 3 April 2003 12:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

Double-barrelling is amusing if it makes people assume that you'll be posh, and you can shatter their illusions with a splurge of profanity. Although is only classic if the names go really well together, which I think Matt's & Archel's do. Eeeep naming children!

Liz :x (Liz :x), Thursday, 3 April 2003 12:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

I was talking about it the other day and thinking it wd be a shame if my (fairly unusual) surname died out with the current generation - as it looks like doing. Thus the idea of naming boyspawn after me and girlspawn after Matt was born. But that really WOULD be confusing for schools.

My mum has kept her first married name after marrying for a second time, for professional reasons. But I have a feeling she and my stepfather invented a whole new shared name for joint accounts etc...

The future Mrs Kitten will be a lucky lady indeed :)

Archel (Archel), Thursday, 3 April 2003 12:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

I really can't imagine being called H0lland-Playf0rth or vice versa. Does that not look absurd?

However perhaps I could just retain my name as a middle name and be known rather elegantly as Rachel P. H0lland?

Archel (Archel), Thursday, 3 April 2003 12:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

The future Mrs Kitten will be a lucky lady indeed

i beg to differ. she is far more likely to look back at the ruin her life has become and curse the day she ever met me. if she hasn't already. but i guess it's worth it for the name, yo.

g-kit (g-kit), Thursday, 3 April 2003 12:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ooh! Ooh! I wanna be Mrs. Kitten!!!

Archel, if you only named boyspawn after one and girlspawn after the other... Well, what if you only had boys or only had girls? The other half would feel a bit distanced from the kids perhaps?

I'm not much into hyphenated names. I have 2 younger sisters, so if we each took our husband's names, we would stop the chain of Johnsons on that part of the family tree. Then again, who cares about that last name? Too many people have it...

Last names are something I've thought about quite a bit. I don't like it that the woman loses her former identity. If I were to run into some girl friends from grade school, I probably would not know who they were because they'd have different last names.

Then, there's the subject of (cough cough) divorce. My mom ended up keeping my dad's last name because she wanted to have the same name as her daughters. Then, when we marry, we might get new last names and she'll be stuck with her ex-es last name.

Just a lot of my thoughts here that don't really go anywhere... Thanks for readin'.

Sarah McLusky (coco), Thursday, 3 April 2003 12:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

women giving up their name on marriage - monster dud.

I haven't really worked out what people should do with children's surnames... double-barrelling is stupid, and if done by everyone would eventually lead to infinitely barrelled names, which would be stupid.

DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 3 April 2003 12:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ooh! Ooh! I wanna be Mrs. Kitten!!!

Nick reads this and goes off and cries at the fickleness of Ms. McLusky.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 3 April 2003 12:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

Sarah: yeah... all the same stuff I think about really.

Dammit though I am gonna pick on ONE of our kids to be lumbered with Pl4yforth!

Archel (Archel), Thursday, 3 April 2003 12:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

Rachel, ask yourself how much of an issue the 'confusion' matter is, and how much it should be, and whether it's likely to be some third party handballing their problem back to you, and how willing you are to accede to their expectations.

In these self-righteous days a proportion of your circle are going to see you as hopelessly ideologically unsound whichever way you jump, so you may as well make your decision (if a cast-in-stone 'decision' needs to be made) on some other basis.

Fred Nerk, Thursday, 3 April 2003 12:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

Aww g-kit don't be so horrible to yourself, yo!

I was having the same dillema Archel, I kinda like having my unusual surname and D's is a bit common to say the least - but the mere mention of me keeping my own name caused him to get all hurt and offended - think I wounded his pride, so maybe I'll be just boring and common.

smee (smee), Thursday, 3 April 2003 12:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

In these self-righteous days a proportion of your circle are going to see you as hopelessly ideologically unsound whichever way you jump, so you may as well make your decision (if a cast-in-stone 'decision' needs to be made) on some other basis.

Exactly. Figure out what you prefer and work from that.

Nicole (Nicole), Thursday, 3 April 2003 12:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

on the subject of double barrelling...my cousin (surname: Day) and his partner (surname: Lewis) have no intention of getting married! I don't know what their son's surname is....

MarkH (MarkH), Thursday, 3 April 2003 12:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think pl4yf0rth-h0ll4nd sounds fine!

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 3 April 2003 12:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

B-but it's such a great last name for me. Isn't that a good enough reason?? I'm sure he would understand.

One time, when I was talking to my mom's friend's s.o. (this old man), he said to me, "Sarah, When a man tells you that he doesn't want to be with you any more, you need to tell him (puts his palms together as if in prayer and bows), Thank you, sir, for allowing me to spend time with you. I am honored. I understand that you are done with me now and you are free to go and do as you wish because all I wish is your happiness."
Yeah, that guy was a mysogynist nut-case.

(Yancy, am I spelling mysogynist correctly? ha ha)

Sarah McLUsky (coco), Thursday, 3 April 2003 12:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

I had no qualms about moving over to a new surname - but all my financial and work related things are double barreled. I did this because I didn't know what to do about making sure all my legal crap was associated with me with as maclean rather than parker. It is funny when work colleages assume I'm going to be some posh british chick.

I think I'm just going to have to stick to double barrled last name for now.

I think it would be good if when people got married they created a new last name for themselves.

marianna, Thursday, 3 April 2003 12:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

I've thought about that too, but wouldn't that totally screw up family trees?

Sarah McLUsky (coco), Thursday, 3 April 2003 12:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

Sigh...I guess I'll be changing my last name to Cuddlycutiecat then.

Nick A. (Nick A.), Thursday, 3 April 2003 12:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

Awwwww!

smee (smee), Thursday, 3 April 2003 12:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

It would Sarah, but maybe that's no bad thing... trying to investigate my family tree even one generation back caused me enough grief, as I posted about once.

Archel (Archel), Thursday, 3 April 2003 12:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

Oops actually I posted that thread anonymously! Oh well I don't mind.

Archel (Archel), Thursday, 3 April 2003 12:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

Nick Cuddlycutiecat...

you wanna get together and go bowling?

g-kit (g-kit), Thursday, 3 April 2003 12:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

Why don't we just spoon?

Nick A. (Nick A.), Thursday, 3 April 2003 12:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

Oh wait, if you're marrying Sarah, this might get kind of kinky. Nevermind.

Nick A. (Nick A.), Thursday, 3 April 2003 12:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

i'm not marrying anyone for reasons already discussed.

g-kit (g-kit), Thursday, 3 April 2003 12:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

Cat fight!!

Sarah McLUsky (coco), Thursday, 3 April 2003 12:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

uh, fight amongst yourselves, i have yarn to play with, yo.
*wanders off*

g-kit (g-kit), Thursday, 3 April 2003 12:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ah, what a drag. I was hoping to be fought over, yo.

Sarah McLusky (coco), Thursday, 3 April 2003 12:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

Get yourself some yarn, that'll spice things up a bit...

smee (smee), Thursday, 3 April 2003 12:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

if you really want a fight, S, i could send the real mrs. kitten to be here...

g-kit (g-kit), Thursday, 3 April 2003 12:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

Who is Mrs. Kitten? A dj?

Sarah McLusky (coco), Thursday, 3 April 2003 12:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

That's Miss Kittin.

suzy (suzy), Thursday, 3 April 2003 12:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think double-barreling is kinda cool, not necessarily classic or dud on it's own merits...it depends on the names being double-barreled.

I think children should be raised without surnames until they're old enough to choose their own. But then, I guess we'd get a lot of 10-year-olds naming themselves, like Sarah O'CutsieMcKittenWiffle or Gregory CootieDestroyer and such, so maybe not.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 3 April 2003 12:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

If I had named myself when I was 12, I would have been Ofelia Lyphe.
*shudder*

Sarah McLusky (coco), Thursday, 3 April 2003 13:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

i'd be greg kitten.

g-kit (g-kit), Thursday, 3 April 2003 13:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

With a four-syllable surname, and an Italian one at that, I am getting into difficult territory if I want to double barrel. I sort of like the idea, and sort of don't. My surname I quite like, and it's unusual to say the least - my immediate family are the only ones in Britain, AFAIK. But I'm a boy anyway, so it seems unlikely it'd be lost whatever happens.

My other half has a neat, pleasant-sounding surname but added to mine it'd become ungainly and ridiculous. (And no, Sarah, this isn't a proposal either ;))

Mark C (Mark C), Thursday, 3 April 2003 13:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

I've softened my stance on this a bit and can now kinda consider giving up my last name maybe, only because I really love my b/f and his family. But I'm an only child with an unusual last name. Double-barreling would almost be absurdly fun, since I have a near-Welsh (but actually English) last name and his family's Syrian. There are lots of Z's involved. But I don't want to have kids, so if there's no-one to torture, it makes it less fun.

teeny (teeny), Thursday, 3 April 2003 13:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

Women giving up their maiden name on marriage is not a total dud coz it was their dad's and his dad's and his dad's dad's name before that. It wasn't their mother's name or grandmothers' unless by marriage. Why not change yr surname to yr mum's given name or something similar instead? Or invent yr very own new surname to share when u get married. That's be cool.

If I were to marry I think I'd keep my own in some circumstances and use my partner's in others. Just for fun.

toraneko (toraneko), Thursday, 3 April 2003 14:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

I had no particular attachment to my father's name, and gave it up when my parents separated, so I now use my Saint's Name anyway (even though I gave up Christianity long before I gave up my father, I still like the scary Knights Templar/conspiracy associations). WHICH I wouldn't give up. Nope. If I ever got married, he would have to take my name. Or combine them so we both become become Kate and Bloke St.Blokesname. Heh.

kate, Thursday, 3 April 2003 14:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

Toraneko - that's pretty much what my wife does. And she'll be a PhD soon and she wants to keep her own name for that. I'm afraid I was completely intransigent about the children though. The decision is made. They're MINE.

Sam (chirombo), Thursday, 3 April 2003 14:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

Apart from anything else it'd be quite fun trying out a new name, signature etc. I actually feel more like a W1lliams (mum's maiden name) in many ways, but random patrilinearity aside, I like having an unusual surname.

On reflection I think I'll remain me and Matt remains Matt and the kids can be... well, cross that bridge when I come to it.

Archel (Archel), Thursday, 3 April 2003 14:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think your kids should have the portmanteau surname PLAYLAND, arch.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Thursday, 3 April 2003 14:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

Back in more repressive times, gay men dropped their surnames to disassociate from their families, adopting their middle name as the surname. I love those tatty suburban hairdressers named 'hair by Alan David' or whatever; that's why they are the way they are.

suzy (suzy), Thursday, 3 April 2003 14:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

We have considered this, Jerry. As well as being our names it is like a superfun mixture of PLAYmobile and LegoLAND! Also Holforth haha.

Archel (Archel), Thursday, 3 April 2003 14:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

Women giving up their maiden name on marriage is not a total dud coz it was their dad's and his dad's and his dad's dad's name before that.
This is true, but also it is the name that she has had her entire life. It is HERS. So she's giving up her name.

But, as is obvious above, I haven't decided what I think about this surname stuff.

(except that I really like Nick's new last name)

Sarah McLUsky (coco), Thursday, 3 April 2003 15:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

When I got married, my husband already had a hyphenated last name (something that has been passed down for a million years already, not his parents' doing), so adding that onto mine that would have just been ridiculous. I didn't change my last name on anything official, but I never minded being known as "Mrs. Overlylong-Lastname"

luna (luna.c), Thursday, 3 April 2003 16:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

i'm never getting married, but if i ever did i would not give up my name. my name, common as muck tho it is, has history. if i ever had kids (which is just as unlikely as me getting married) i don't know what i'd do. hyphenating is so clunky.

di smith (lucylurex), Thursday, 3 April 2003 18:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

My parents had a wacky idea for naming me that they thankfully let go of. They were going to combine their last names Snyder & Coleman into "Snyderman", and were going to name me Peter Parker Snyderman. I shit you not. Luckily for me, they realized that would have been just plain evil.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 3 April 2003 18:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm glad they decided to name you "nickalicious" instead.

rosemary (rosemary), Thursday, 3 April 2003 19:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

A wise decision.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 3 April 2003 19:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

(laugh) Ah,nickalicious, fortunately your folks considered the future cost of dental bills from your fellow classmates picking on you.

As for this hyphenating wackyness, I wouldn't mind doing it, as my own last name is so common. Of course, my own would indeed come first. If this hypothetical husband would be brave enough to marry me in the first place, he could take sharing the weight.

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Thursday, 3 April 2003 19:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ha, I wish my parents had given me the "-alicious" name!

It was actually this sexy slightly-older-than-me girl that I worked with in this restaurant that I was totally crushing on that came up with the name; she had been calling me Nicholas for some time, and one day she turned to me with a glass of pinot noir in her hand and beckoned me "Oh nick[i]alicious[/i]!" It stuck.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 3 April 2003 20:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

D'oh! Let's imagine those are these things < > < />. Mmm'kay.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 3 April 2003 20:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

That's the coolest way to get a nickname (mine is from constantly having to pronounce my last name for people: "kuh TEP ee").

On-topic: I have told every S.O. this applied to that if we get married, I have no preference what she wants to do with her name so long as she doesn't want me to change mine. My last name is bizarre and can be burdensome. I would not enforce it on anyone.

Don't know what I'd want to do with kids' names, though. Sort of torn. Maybe I'd suggest making up a whole new surname for them to use.

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 3 April 2003 20:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

As far as I know there are no legal complications about the woman keeping her own name, but there would be a decision to be made about naming any children.

You might have to pay a name change fee if you wait too long to change it. Depending on where you live I suppose.

but I don't know if you can keep it professionally but change names in private life.

One of our coworkers is doing that here. Haven't seen her in a while now that I think of it. Her married version of her email has set up as an alias of her old one (or vice versa) and her paychecks and other such sundries go to her legal name, her cubicle name plate and us still all know her by her maiden name.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 3 April 2003 20:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

My wife took my name sort of. She uses her the hyphen technique only for work related issues. I could care less.

Chris V. (Chris V), Friday, 4 April 2003 11:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

My sister married an irish guy so if she did the maiden-name-hyphen bit she would have been called Jane Oh-McCoy, which sounds absurd, especially since she's korean.

phil-two (phil-two), Friday, 4 April 2003 11:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

Jane Oh-MCoy sounds ULTRA irish.

Sarah McLUsky (coco), Friday, 4 April 2003 11:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

Its all going to be useless anyways when we name our child Big Daddy Kane.

Chris V. (Chris V), Friday, 4 April 2003 11:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

grrr

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 4 April 2003 11:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

Legal point: you can use whatever name you want in the UK, and use different ones for different purposes, as long as you do it with no fraudulent intent. Bear in mind that if you are on trial at any point, using multiple names will not make you look a more solid citizen.

Nichole, you should marry Graham and persuade him to change to your surname.

When I married, my wife was so keen to lose her surname, which I'm reluctant to post here, that she even thought Skidmore an improvement. When we split, she didn't want to keep the name or go back to her earlier one, so adopted her mother's maiden name.

I don't understand why women would adopt their husband's name nowadays, unless their own name is horrible.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 4 April 2003 16:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

My whole name is so Ortho Jew-sounding that there's no way I could take someone else's name or hyphenate without making a totally ridiculous combination (unless I were marrying another Jew).

Luckily, I like my name a lot (esp. the part about being named after someone who gets leprosy in the bible! who else has that honor?!

miriam (serrano), Friday, 4 April 2003 17:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

i love my boyfriend's surname (even before we ever met), but i'm still gonna hyphenate or keep mine. mostly because it's a very common indian surname, and i don't want to lose that part of my identity.

sand.y, Friday, 4 April 2003 20:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

two years pass...
Update: I still think hyphenation is a bit silly. I took Matt's name for most official purposes (passport, bank account etc all say H0ll4nd) but use my maiden (haha 'maiden') name at work, for my writing, and for academic purposes. And basically whenever I fancy. It's true what Martin said, you can use multiple names here and nobody seems to care! I even signed a credit card slip with my maiden name once because I'd been signing letters at work all week, and the cashier was all 'oh never mind, newly married women do that a lot'. I could have been a (fairly stupid) criminal! (Though maybe a credit card fraudster wouldn't use their ill-gotten gains to buy lavender oil in Holland & Barrett.)

Kids - we haven't got there yet but I'm pretty sure I want them all to be plain H0ll4nds. Families should all have the same name, at least for a while.

Archel (Archel), Thursday, 9 February 2006 14:24 (eighteen years ago) link

you forgot to encrypt one of your H0ll4nds!

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 9 February 2006 14:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Haha, no relation!

Archel (Archel), Thursday, 9 February 2006 14:32 (eighteen years ago) link

My wife didn't take my surname, but then 'Fake' isn't really a great name (and doesn't lend itself to double-barrels very well either).

Tehrannosaurus HoBB (the pirate king), Thursday, 9 February 2006 14:40 (eighteen years ago) link

My family has four names. We collect 'em! My son's have their father's (I first wrote "sperm-donor's" but thought better of it) nameā€”at the time they were born I thought (foolishly) that we would eventually marry. My husband has his own name and I've got the name I started out with. My first husband's name was Albuquerque, and having to sign things Elizabeth Parker Albuquerque was the beginning of the end of my signature's legibility.
I have a friend whose name is her first and second husband's names hyphenated. I think she should keep going. Marry again. Triple hyphenate. Notches on the gun.

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 9 February 2006 14:54 (eighteen years ago) link

I often think it must be weird for men whose wives leave them or whatever to know that their wife can still walk around with their (the husband's) name if they want to. Or is it nice? I don't know.

Archel (Archel), Thursday, 9 February 2006 14:57 (eighteen years ago) link

I had to sign some forms with my maiden name signature the other day, and it was the first time in many years I'd had to use it. It felt most weird.

C J (C J), Thursday, 9 February 2006 14:58 (eighteen years ago) link

When I married my biggest problem was that I really wanted to dissassociate myself from my father. However giving up my name and its association to the rest of my family gave me pause. the marriage gave me a good out on this one. I made my surname my middle name and took my husband's as my last - no questions, no hurt feelings. I continued to use my own name in school so that name would be on degrees and such.

When we divorced I went back to my birth name and am now quite fine with it. When I marry again I don't know what I'll do. I'd lean towards not changing just b/c it's a hassle with ids and bills and such. But I might be swayed by a husband's strong feelings and/or children.

Miss Misery xox (MissMiseryTX), Thursday, 9 February 2006 15:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Fortunately these days the think-of-the-children argument isn't as compelling as it once was, what with the post-nuclear-family free-for-all. Walk into any playground and try to group the kids and parents by shared surnames and you won't get very far.

I've got friends who made up a new surname when they got married; no trouble or confusion resulted.

Stephen X (Stephen X), Thursday, 9 February 2006 15:44 (eighteen years ago) link

When I remarried a few years ago, I considered keeping my 1st husband's name, since I had been using it professionally for over 20 years and it is my children's surname. But the thought bothered (irrationally, he admits) my new husband. He encouraged me to revert to my maiden name, but it's a mouthful that no one can spell properly (one reason I took my 1st husband's name). He was greatly pleased when I took his name, and I'm happy to have a recognizable, easy to spell/pronounce, shorter surname. It didn't lose me too much recognition, professionally - the industry I work in is fairly small with very few women.

It has taken me awhile to change everything over though. Too many things require certified copies of the marriage license and letters mailed and I just haven't been too fussed to deal with it. The main drawback - I can't use my frequent flyer miles to upgrade or purchase a ticket for him if I'm not traveling on the same itinerary, without going through many many hoops since I have yet to change the name over on those accounts.

Jaq (Jaq), Thursday, 9 February 2006 15:59 (eighteen years ago) link

My fiancee asked me if I'd take her last name if it was something really cool, you know, like Gunn or something.

(I said yes obv.)

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 9 February 2006 16:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Few of my female friends actually want to change their names when they get married (in the hypothetical future). I won't be surprised if they do, but they have the attitude of "why should I, just because I'm female?" I actually want to change my name just because mine isn't very interesting, but if I marry someone named Jones or something I'll cry.

Maria (Maria), Thursday, 9 February 2006 18:57 (eighteen years ago) link

my wife kept her name as mine is silly; our kid is getting my name for simplicity's sake.

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 9 February 2006 20:19 (eighteen years ago) link

and because I see no reason for him get off easily when I didn't

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 9 February 2006 20:20 (eighteen years ago) link

That's heartening, Maria: I was under the impression that more women are taking their husbands' names now than was the case ten or twenty years ago.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 9 February 2006 20:23 (eighteen years ago) link

How is it disheartening that women are making their own choices about their own names? I don't get it.

The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 9 February 2006 20:30 (eighteen years ago) link

I think we've had this conversation, Amanda.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 9 February 2006 20:32 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm with her.

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Thursday, 9 February 2006 20:33 (eighteen years ago) link

I know we have, but for pete's sake -- how is it disheartening/heartening to anyone what people do with their names? Who cares? If it makes me happy, why should it dishearten you or any other person? It's my name!

The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 9 February 2006 20:34 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm the only married woman I know who didn't change her name :(

We've thought about making something up, but the conversation gets silly very quickly. Double barrelling would not work. It would be nice to have the same surname but, you know, no big deal.

I think if any offspring ensue they should have my name (after all, the cats have my name on their vet cards), but we haven't discussed it.

The hardest thing for me was whether to be Ms or Mrs. But what I'm finding is that people call me Miss or Ms or Mrs, and by his name or mine, as they see fit; nothing I say seems to make any difference.

[shrug]

Zora (Zora), Thursday, 9 February 2006 20:34 (eighteen years ago) link

I only thought it was disheartening because I thought that it signalled a broader cultural step backward toward conservatism and subservience. But this is probably misguided: it's probably more in line with the new wave of 21st-C. feminism that emphasizes choice, as in choice whether to work or stay home with kids (cf. Friedan thread). Reclamation of traditionally feminine domestic hobbies like knitting also fitting in with this ideology.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 9 February 2006 20:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Alright then. Because implying that name-changing is analogous to subservience is really insulting. At least I find it insulting, as a changer-of-name, for my own, unique host of reasons.

The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 9 February 2006 20:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Obv I don't begrudge any individual changer-of-name, though.

I still think it'd be weird if someone took my name.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 9 February 2006 20:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Do you think it's more appropriate/accurate to think that most name-changers are doing it each for their own unique host of reasons (cf Amanda!) or that a significant percentage of women are doing it for post-femst/traditionalist reasons? No way to tell, I guess.

Laurel (Laurel), Thursday, 9 February 2006 20:55 (eighteen years ago) link

i think ally & tom should both take the name rofflesberger

mookieproof (mookieproof), Thursday, 9 February 2006 20:56 (eighteen years ago) link

::pokes jaymc with knitting needles::

Miss Misery xox (MissMiseryTX), Thursday, 9 February 2006 20:56 (eighteen years ago) link

mookie OTM

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Thursday, 9 February 2006 21:53 (eighteen years ago) link

One of my teachers in art school changed his name twelve times and produced a different piece of artwork to go with each name.

http://www.edmcgowin.com/nametrue.html

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 9 February 2006 21:58 (eighteen years ago) link

If I marry Nick I'll take his name cos L0nd0n is a totally rockstah surname! Mines boring :(

Trayce (trayce), Friday, 10 February 2006 01:50 (eighteen years ago) link

I kept my surname. My husband's surname is Joy and it just didn't go especially well with my first name, or my personality.

She's been known to sleep on piles of dry leaves... (papa november), Friday, 10 February 2006 01:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Kate, change yer name to Division by deed poll and hyphenate. Hyuck hyuck.

(I am so sorry.)

She's In Parties (kate), Friday, 10 February 2006 10:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Back in more repressive times, gay men dropped their surnames to disassociate from their families, adopting their middle name as the surname.
I know one person rejected by his family for gayness who replaced his surname with the name of a mountain near where he was from (in Scotland) and it made a good name

elizabeth anne marjorie, Friday, 10 February 2006 12:22 (eighteen years ago) link

New defination for Corbett-bagging.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 10 February 2006 17:27 (eighteen years ago) link


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