Would this qualify as "burning my bridges"?

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I would like to turn in a 10 pg letter of resignation, quoting Foucault (specifically Discipline and Punish), Mill, and Gang of Four. Someone convince me that this is a terrible idea.

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 3 April 2003 15:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

Do you think anyone in your office knows who Foucault was, much less reads him?

hstencil, Thursday, 3 April 2003 15:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

Well, it all depends if you are sorted for references, I guess!

jel -- (jel), Thursday, 3 April 2003 15:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

it is a dreadful idea. if you can't see that get some sleep.

Alan (Alan), Thursday, 3 April 2003 15:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

You should memorize it and recite it instead. much classier.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 3 April 2003 15:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

Though it would be fun to do, it probably is a terrible idea.

Nicole (Nicole), Thursday, 3 April 2003 15:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

i did this! well not this exactly. i typed out a two page letter listing my grievances, quoting from OSHA and other similar guidelines, and insulting my coworkers. needless to say i was sacked immediately.

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 3 April 2003 15:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

Well, it all depends if you are sorted for references, I guess!

hahahaha.

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 3 April 2003 15:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

You should post it HERE!

Douglas (Douglas), Thursday, 3 April 2003 15:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

nb: this was summer i then lost my mind and discovered ilx. make of this what you will.

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 3 April 2003 15:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

Write it in rhyming couplets and it will be ok. THEN post it here.

Bryan (Bryan), Thursday, 3 April 2003 15:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ally, you ought to be able to find another job. Have you checked on campus at all?

(I realize the housing issue is what makes this particularly tricky.)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 3 April 2003 15:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

(ha! I thought Jess said Queens of the Stone Age for a sec [QSTA])

jel -- (jel), Thursday, 3 April 2003 15:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

(but, yeah I wouldn't do it)

jel -- (jel), Thursday, 3 April 2003 15:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

Do it! You may regret it in the short term, but you'll always be proud that you did such a great, ridiculous thing.

slutsky (slutsky), Thursday, 3 April 2003 15:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

I once wrote my landlord a letter requesting he fix my doorbell by ending it with "afterall, no man is an island". He never heard that quote before and never fixed my doorbell.

lawrence kansas (lawrence kansas), Thursday, 3 April 2003 15:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm looking for another job, I should have one relatively soon actually. Jess, quoting OSHA is a brilliant move and I'm definitely going to employ it. I'm thinking a visual would be good here, like a pie chart of OSHA violations.

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 3 April 2003 15:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

What price burnt bridges when your legend would grow so vast?

mookieproof (mookieproof), Thursday, 3 April 2003 15:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

If I was a writing a letter of resignation, it would be something I wouldn't mind a future employer seeing. Not that they would, necessarily, I'd just my grievances to look as reasonable as possible to whatever schmo might read the thing. You may want to communicate your seething anger, just don't do it in the letter. If you're going to spill bile (and believe me, I'm not saying you shouldn't), don't leave a paper trail.

Also, the letter should be brief, much briefer than ten pages. And skip the quotes.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Thursday, 3 April 2003 15:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

If you're going to list OSHA violations, you might as well detail your company's various NY State labor law violations as well. Remember that stuff about the minimum lunch hours?

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Thursday, 3 April 2003 15:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

You might as well cc: the letter to some relevant departments of the NY State and NYC governments.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Thursday, 3 April 2003 15:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

I agree w/Daddino's first post. This situation calls for more Adrian Brody than Michael Moore.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 3 April 2003 15:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

Use Powerpoint!

Cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 3 April 2003 15:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

This is a terrible idea.

felicity (felicity), Thursday, 3 April 2003 15:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

I agree w/Daddino's first post. This situation calls for more Adrian Brody than Michael Moore.

The Michael Moore method of quitting: bringing up all of your fellow employees, shouting a bunch of things that people might agree with in a way that doesn't necessarily get the point across all that well, and then tendering everyone's resignation on their behalf whether they like it or not.

The Adrien Brody method of quitting: first, embrace your boss in a passionate smooch, make some quip about them probably not expecting that to be in the job description, getting all emotional, and telling the security guard to "shut up" as they're trying to remove you from the building.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Thursday, 3 April 2003 15:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm not going to actually do this, mainly because I'm really lazy. My actual letter of resignation will read something like "I appreciate the learning experience. Thanks." However, I will DEFINITELY QUOTE FOUCAULT WHEN I GO IN FOR THE MEETING and none of you can stop me.

I'm thinking of reporting the actual legal violations though. Does anyone know what the statute of limitations on assault in NYS is?

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 3 April 2003 15:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

three weeks

James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 3 April 2003 15:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

This is the best I can come up with. As of 2001,

"New York State already exempts class A violent felonies from the statute of limitations. This bill will extend that exemption to class B violent felonies which includes crimes such as first degree attempted murder, first degree rape and sodomy, first degree assault, and first and second degree kidnapping. Presently, these felonies are subject to a five year statute of limitations."

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Thursday, 3 April 2003 15:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

no one would read a 10 page resignation anyhow. i quit my job in september (2 paragraph letter of resignation) without having another lined-up and am really regretting it now. i really did burn my bridges and i would strongly advise against it.

and what's this about legal violations?

dyson (dyson), Thursday, 3 April 2003 16:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ally, don't listen to them. Those 10 pages should be your Preface.

mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 3 April 2003 16:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

if you're going to burn your bridges at an employers,it would be much more of a laugh to go the whole hog and empty a dustbin full of jam over them,or something similar...

robin (robin), Thursday, 3 April 2003 16:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

I await the development of all this with interest. (Personally I think they deserve little more than a 'get bent,' but the points about housing and calling them on their labor violations are sound.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 3 April 2003 16:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

Give a resignation speech and have a mime next to you acting out the relevant bits. This may come in handy if you've been forced to walk against the wind at work.

lawrence kansas (lawrence kansas), Thursday, 3 April 2003 16:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

Legal violations, there are way too many to list. The most egregious were the period when I was disallowed lunch breaks, the fact that they refuse to pay me overtime despite my status as a non-exempt employee, and the whole slapping incident.

The thing is that I already know that I'm not going to regret this. How do you regret completely fucking over people who treat you like this?

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 3 April 2003 16:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

You were slapped?

Mandee, Thursday, 3 April 2003 16:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

if you don't regret quoting foucault in a resignation letter then i can't ever give you advice. you are beyond help.

Alan (Alan), Thursday, 3 April 2003 16:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

oh. burn that bridge, don't look back.

dyson (dyson), Thursday, 3 April 2003 16:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

Alan makes a good point.

Mandee, yeah...the whole place is like a sick, psychotic nightmare that I have been rendered inable to get out of because they own my apartment. I quit = I must find a new place immediately. Except I've realized THIS DOESN'T REALLY WORK - what are they going to do, get the Gestapo after me? I can stay here as long as I bloody want, eviction proceedings take ages.

I've changed my mind anyway, just now. I'm going to write a regular letter of resignation, and tape it to a copy of Animal Farm.

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 3 April 2003 16:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yeah, get out of that place. Who cares about burning bridges, it sounds like a nightmare.

Mandee, Thursday, 3 April 2003 16:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

This friend of mine used to work in a bank in london. Someone left once, and instead of resigning, he just left the office one dinnertime, and never came back. He left his coat draped over his office chair even. My friend remembered that it was several days before anyone actually realised he had gone, like "hang on, that coat's been there for quite a while, I wonder where Phil is?" That would be really cool, i think. (poss you cd leave foucalt quote in note in jacket pocket)

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 3 April 2003 16:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

Although it might not matter to Foucault who wrote the letter, it might matter to the people you'd like to have references from in the future.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 3 April 2003 16:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

whoa, Ally, I didn't know that about your apartment. Fuck, that's ridiculous! Do they have any idea what kind of potential litigation they're open to (I mean, if you set aside all the OTHER potential litigous matters).

hstencil, Thursday, 3 April 2003 16:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

Really I think the majority of people I deal with would still give me references - at least two of my supervisors would def. still give me references. Hell, one of them would give me a better one for doing it. I think about walking out and never coming back a lot, actually.

hstencil, I don't think they have any clue. They have this weird agreement document that they make employees living in the building sign that it's contingent on employment. However, I never signed one. And if they accept a check from me post-employment (they give you a month but you have to pay for it) it's as good as admitting I have a lease.

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 3 April 2003 16:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

So wait - you LIVE with your co-workers? No wonder you hate them so much. They're like your life partners!

mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 3 April 2003 16:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

Wow, that document sounds so illegal, it's not even funny. Then again, I'm not a real estate lawyer, so I shouldn't pretend to play one on the internet. I used to have a boss that was one, but we don't, ahem, really get along, so I can't ask for you (plus he was a lawyer in Chicago; the rules might be different in NYC).

hstencil, Thursday, 3 April 2003 16:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

if it were me i'd sacrifice the foucault refs for a deprogramming session.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 3 April 2003 16:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

Dag. Spend the time you would have spent on the ten pages moving out. Not getting paid for overtime and not getting breaks is bad and illegal, but slapping is fucked up. Call in the ILX Posse!

mookieproof (mookieproof), Thursday, 3 April 2003 16:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

No, it's not really legal at all, it's all questionable. Plus it's a rent controlled building, and there's a question of how those laws play into it...

The ones I live with I don't mind really! Actually it's funny because my three supervisors are all really nice people who I like a lot - they're good guys. It's just that my "main" supervisor is the CFO and he does NOTHING to help me out at all. He's great, very nice, but he's quite content to avoid confronting the people who cause the problem. He'd just rather have the three competent people in the office do ALL THE WORK ALL THE TIME and let the other group run around willy nilly and cause a m assive disturbance and be petulant about their complete incompetance, to boot. So in basic, my boss is a REALLY NICE GUY who I don't WANT to totally fuck over - but his complete avoidance of conflict has basically fucked me over.

Basically, the only way to change the situation is to fire half the department and replace them.

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 3 April 2003 16:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

Haha Ally watch it or else we'll start calling you Jerry Macguire.

mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 3 April 2003 16:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

How much furniture do you own that you're willing to leave behind, Ally? This is clearly a get-out-now (or as soon as possible) situation; you probably won't have trouble finding a place to stay if not live until you do find a new job/apt. (I'd offer myself but not enough room.)

M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 3 April 2003 16:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

(also, there's always storage)

M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 3 April 2003 16:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

did you know the human head weighs 8 lbs?

Matos: I have a lot of stuff. Um, a huge shitload of stuff. There's like no way, I'd have to get a place, but it's really not as hard as people make it out to be, I'd just have to be willing to pay the agent percent and not go it by myself to get it done quicker.

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 3 April 2003 16:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

which qoutes.

anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 3 April 2003 16:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

(same question here)

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 3 April 2003 17:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

I don't think it matters anymore. Foucault has been usurped by Lipnicki.

mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 3 April 2003 17:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

Haha I was going to delve into the section on Bentham's panoptical prison.

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 3 April 2003 22:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ally: I am told by friends who have been apartment-hunting that NYC real-estate agents are currently pretty desperate... hit craigslist first, perhaps?

And c'mon you have to at least tell us WHICH Foucault quote(s).

Douglas (Douglas), Friday, 4 April 2003 11:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

If you really want to fuck them over just don't turn up for work and then when they ring say you're sick. Or gloriously, when they ring and you're really wishing they'd get the message, say "I'll be in in half an hour". hahaha.

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 4 April 2003 11:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ha, Ally, if you find some good Bentham stuff to include, let me know in case I ever need to quit - I work for the university he founded and I walk past what's left of his corpse, which we keep in a glass box, pretty often.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 4 April 2003 16:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

what do you do with it the rest of the time??

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 4 April 2003 16:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

What the hell? Is that some kind of like in-death tribute to panopticism? I mean of all people to put in a glass display case, Jeremy Bentham?

Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 4 April 2003 17:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

He was our founder! They used to carry the body in to all council meetings, but they've at least stopped doing that now. It does seem rather like being president of North Korea, it's a kind of permanent role.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 4 April 2003 17:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

my tummy hurts from laffing martin. fuck you.

anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 4 April 2003 18:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

didn't they like lose the real actual stuffed head ages ago though, and no they have a plastic one?

mark s (mark s), Friday, 4 April 2003 18:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

Can they rotate the heads? Can we put anyone's head up there?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 4 April 2003 18:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

Does that mean when Tom dies we can put him in the ILX display case?

Nicole (Nicole), Friday, 4 April 2003 18:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

yes, isn't it on the FAQ yet?

mark s (mark s), Friday, 4 April 2003 18:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

We can bring his head to meetings and genuflect in front of the beard.

Nicole (Nicole), Friday, 4 April 2003 18:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

It'd be cool if the beard just kept growing.

mark p (Mark P), Friday, 4 April 2003 19:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

It's a great relief to know that housing in NYC now is pretty good (moving there in July/August). My NY writer friend was telling me a broker is the only way to go and it's just not my style.

Ally, no matter what you do keep copies of everything. And if possible see if you can get a copy of your personnel file, that is if one is kept on you. But don't do the letter thing. It'll come back to haunt you.

Carey (Carey), Friday, 4 April 2003 19:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

Bentham is now a dummy, containing what is left of the original skeleton, looking like some sort of fortune-telling device on a pier. I think there is a pic somewhere on the UCL website (http://www.ucl.ac.uk) if anyone wants to search it out. (It's late and I'm at home on a dial-up, so fuck that.)

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 4 April 2003 20:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

Pardon me if this has been answered, but what Gang of Four song were you going to quote?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 4 April 2003 21:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

http://academic.brooklyn.cuny.edu/history/virtual/portrait/bentham-dead.jpg

BRITISH PEOPLE ARE SICK.

Alex, not that your question matters now that I've posted Jeremy Bentham's mummified head, but in my late night rambling madness, I had a real keen eye on Return the Gift. And was going to title the letter "Capital (It Fails You Now)".

Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 4 April 2003 21:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yep, that's my workplace! (In fact I work in a different building, but I have meetings now and again in the room next to that case.)

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 4 April 2003 21:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

That's bloody creepy but the more I look at it, the more I'm like, christ, we should institute that at Millennium.

Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 4 April 2003 21:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

Supposedly the reason the current head is a fake is because some students stole the old one and played football with it. I have no idea as to whether this rumour is true or not.

thom west (thom w), Friday, 4 April 2003 22:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

We can only hope and pray.

Ally will now sign up for all sorts of classes on early 19th century English political, social and philosophical history and eventually write a 800-page novel wherein Bentham travels through time, encounters his own mummified body, and decides to avoid this fate by importing rock and roll back to his own time. To this end he kidnaps Adam Ant in "Stand and Deliver" guise.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 4 April 2003 23:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

Allynovel for sexpeople! Classic.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 4 April 2003 23:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

No Ned, Bentham totally requested to be preserved that way! He invented the display case that he's in, and also, if I'm not mistaken, the method by which he was preserved (which obviously wasn't perfect, leading his head to start looking kinda funny, which is why it's between his legs these days). If anything, I'd think he'd be pissed that they're not still dragging his corpse into meetings.

Dan I., Friday, 4 April 2003 23:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

Dude, that's sick.

Ally (mlescaut), Saturday, 5 April 2003 00:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

(I know he requested to be preserved that way, I just like the idea that a confrontation with the reality made him change his mind. ;-))

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 5 April 2003 00:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

Smooth save.

Ally (mlescaut), Saturday, 5 April 2003 00:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

*bows*

So anyway, Ally, this novel of yours.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 5 April 2003 01:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

That's not my novel, it requires too much work, I'd give up half way thru and start writing about some guy I slept with instead.

Ally (mlescaut), Saturday, 5 April 2003 01:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

Same difference though, right? (sorrysorrysorrysorry)

Dan I., Saturday, 5 April 2003 01:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

"I Fucked Jeremy Bentham: Ally's Life As A Con Artist". There is a ring to it.

Ally (mlescaut), Saturday, 5 April 2003 01:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

I am sorry about this situation. I would say only that whatever you want to say that might seem appropriate in the context of the place you work will not sound the same to someone somewhere else that is not bizarro world.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 5 April 2003 01:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

I was sorta hoping more for "I Fucked Adam Ant," but anyway.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 5 April 2003 01:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ned in wanting to watch Ally and Adam Ant porno SHOCKAH!!!

gabbneb: the thing is, going in and beating the shit out of someone at my workplace wouldn't really be out of character for my work. I could really honestly do whatever I like in terms of quitting without fear of retribution because I know too much, in scary X-Files terminology. However, I'm too nice. I saw a couple of my coworkers on the street today! They were standing, staring at a truck. It was quite odd.

Ally (mlescaut), Saturday, 5 April 2003 01:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

Hey, you're making me sound perverted or something.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 5 April 2003 01:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

*insert everyone gasping at my improper behavior here*

Ally (mlescaut), Saturday, 5 April 2003 01:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

I believe that anything goes at your workplace, but you can count on at least the possibility of it getting out, and your explanation of what your workplace was like won't necessarily help.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 5 April 2003 01:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

Oh god believe me, no interviewer will ever hear the sordid Melrose Place saga of that joint. My official line is that I'm trying to get a more balanced life and a more stable company after the downsizing.

Ally (mlescaut), Saturday, 5 April 2003 01:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

you really want to get your stories straight. sometimes i forget what excuse i give about me quitting my last job when i'm at interviews.

dyson (dyson), Saturday, 5 April 2003 02:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

Haha you could just shout "Cos they were all suckas!" and see how that floats, you know.

Ally (mlescaut), Saturday, 5 April 2003 16:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

two years pass...
So, 10 page letters of resignation, quoting Foucault, Mill, and Gang of Four. Or is it 'karmically' better to just walk out and avoid sociopaths in general.

carbon (carbon), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 11:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Dead or not, Jeremy Bentham needs to do something about that camel toe. It looks as if he's just given birth to his own head.

Onimo (GerryNemo), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 12:42 (nineteen years ago) link

nine years pass...

just sent the second coming to a client wanting to know why things don't work as well as they used to. v much looking fwd to response.

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