Freemasonry: Simpson's "Stone Cutters" joke, good-willed organization, or weird fucking organization (and possibly evil, too)?

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Disregarding the books written by "Anti-Masons" and deciding to proceed in a "straight line" by following the trail of breadcrumbs emitted from the source itself, and gathering as much official information about Freemasonry as possible without actually joining a lodge, I turned to books and articles written by so-called "Master Masons" about Freemasonry. I figured this would save me the hassle of wading through nonsense about spooky things and ridiculous belief systems.

Imagine my surprise when I discovered http://www.thefreemason.org which not only has various regalia and ritual tools that mirror the various occult tools and regalia I've learned about over the years researching "real" magick and occult, but also an online library where anyone can search the names of Aleister Crowley, Eliphas Levi and Franz Bardon with fruitful results as well as an "esoteric" book shop, which allows one to order what can only be considered by any sensible person "Magick Books of The Supposed Highest Degree" and, also are regarded as such by the very organization itself.

Before I get into the weirdness of the recommended book I discovered, let me just point you to the website and then you can explore it and come to your own conclusions. I urge you to click on the online Library link and search for the wildest rumors you've ever heard about Freemasonry, but doubted were true. They're true, surprisingly enough, and Freemason's aren't afraid to put it right up for all to see. That is somewhat surprising to me. For instance, Aleister Crowley is regarded as an "irregular Mason", but a Mason nonetheless, and with conviction of search methods, one can also discover that an "irregular Mason" is just a superficial term used to provide distance between Eastern and Western Freemasons at a point in time when Western Freemasons did not want the bad publicity that their Eastern Counterparts were receiving.

Also, thefreemason.com has an esoteric book collection, which is basically just a bunch of occult lterature you can buy at Amazon.com. However, there is one particular book they recommend above all others and actually say, "If you buy one book about magic, this should be it".

So, at least now we know for certain that it's not just the "irregulars" who are interested in magick.

Here is what this book is about (remember, this is FIRST AND FOREMOST on the Freemason's "magic books to buy list". How "normal" is this content?

Outline of Bardon's Magickal Curriculum

Although Bardon divides his praxis into ten steps, these are somewhat arbitrary. Here is a summary of his main points:

1. Self-Analysis & Basic Exercises
As mentioned above, the student must work diligently on understanding and harmonizing the four Elements within his own being before doing any further occult work. Bardon prescribes several weeks of minute, mercilessly honest self-observation and recording of one's faults and failings. The student classifies each under the four Elemental categories to see which Elements are out of balance in his Self. A similar exercise classifies his virtues and strengths. Since the magician is to have control over all the Elemental worlds, he must not be unbalanced or have any obsessions that would impede his effectiveness, or allow weak spots that could cause his undoing.

2. Intermediate Concentration & Breathing
In the next step, the student strengthens his ability to concentrate and performs breathing exercises and the techniques of autosuggestion. Bardon regards these as the secret key to the subconscious.
Bardon distinguishes carefully between two kinds of breathing: Pulmonary (normal) and through the skin. This second type of breathing takes practice. The body can respire automatically, but the student needs to learn to control it, combine it with voluntary pulmonary breathing and selectively inspire the various Elements and Akasha.

3. Advanced Visualization Exercises & Element Manipulation
This step entails intense concentration on and visualization of increasingly more complex objects, and "inhaling" the Elements into the body. The student also learns the "loading," or charging, of talismans, rooms, or objects for protection, healing, or other purposes.

4. Accumulation of Elements & Rituals
In this part of the training the student, works to perfect the balancing and concentrating of Elementary energies in the students own and other persons's bodies. In Bardon's system, "rituals" are mot what we normally think of as such, but rather mnemonics based on hand gestures, verbal formulas or visual keys. He claims that once you understand the energies properly, can recall an energy or situation with merely a surreptitious hand gesture, a silent formula or a combination thereof.

5. Transplanting Consciousness & Levitation
This step consists of a graduated series of exercises to prepare the student for physical and astral levitation and astral travel, as a prelude to communication with astral beings. Communication with the astral world can either be active or passive. Passive techniques are simpler and safer, thus Bardon presents them first.

6. Introduction to Astral Beings & Astral Travel
Besides astral beings and travel, this chapter deals with the creation of non-physical beings for the magician's use. Bardon also discusses the perils of accidentally creating them. This inadvertent creation of phantasms which can attach to and parasitize the operator is a great danger for the dabbler in occultism. At this point, Bardon again insists that the student not skip any step in his development, in order to avoid this serious problem.

7. Development of Clairvoyance, Clairaudience & Other Abilities:
Creation of Elementaries
Bardon gives formulas for accessories such as special eye-baths and ear-plugs to aid in development of supersensory perception. He also discusses magick animation of pictures and statues.

8. "Fluid Condensers"
These are special tools which the magician creates to concentrate, store, and manipulate the electric and magnetic fluids. He gives fairly detailed instructions for making, charging and using these "condensers."
First, Bardon teaches that even minute quantities gold can add enormously to the accumulative power of any condenser. Thus, he recommends preparing a gold tincture to "charge" any condensers the student makes. The easiest way is to dissolve a gram of soluble gold chloride in 20 grams of distilled water. (Gold chloride is fairly expensive - about $50 per gram.)
Here is an interesting example of Bardon's condensers: Put a handful of fresh or dry chamomile flowers into a pot. Pour enough cold water over them to cover them completely. Let the chamomile flowers boil for about 20 minutes. Cool them, but leave the lid on the pot and strain the decoction. Put this on the fire again and allow it to evaporate slowly until it weighs about 50 grams. A few drops more or less do not matter at all. Let the extract cool and, for better preservation, mix it with the same quantity (in this case 50 grams) of spirit or alcohol. (Remember to never use methyl or wood alcohol in any preparation meant to be used in or on the body.) To this mixture add about 10 drops of the gold tincture prepared above.
Bardon continues:
If you wish to use the condenser for your own purposes, you may still strengthen it, by adding a drop of your blood or sperm, if possible both together, on a swab of cotton wool, throw this afterwards without any scruples into the condenser and shake the lot well. Then, pour all, in a funnel, through filter paper or linen into a small bottle and keep it well corked in a cool and dark place, ready to use.
The magician can use these condensers in many ways: mixing them with liquids to drink, for anointing, mixing them with incense compounds, or pouring them in small bowls to collect and concentrate certain energies.
Any fluid condenser which has been prepared in this manner does not lose its efficiency even after many years. The condenser must be well shaken each time you are going to use it, the bottle is to be corked again after withdrawing some out of it. In the same way you can prepare several universal condensers from Russian or genuine Chinese tea, from lily-blossoms-best are the white ones-popular leaves, alraune roots or mandragora roots, arnica montana, acacia flowers. Any simple fluid condenser, prepared from one plant is sufficient for normal use such as influencing through the elements, or developing the astral senses by means of the fluid condensers.
9. Magick Mirrors for Astral Travel & Healing
The magick mirror (of which the crystal ball is a species) is valuable for many experiments in clairvoyance, clairaudience and the like. After a brief description, Bardon lists many ways the magician can use it. He describes treatment of the sick using electro-magnetic fluids and the magickal loading of talismans, amulets and gems.

10. Elevation of the Spirit to Higher Levels
This chapter discusses the various ways the student should improve his spiritual qualities. Bardon wraps up with a discussion of several occult topics such as exteriorization, levitation, production of natural phenomena, suggestion, hypnosis, psychometry and long distance impregnation of rooms.

More about Franz Bardon's books here:
http://www.geocities.com/franzbardon/timscott.html

Now, without getting into the typical trappings of an internet "exposé" of this nature, I will simply give the URL to one thing (out of MANY interesting things) I found while perusing thefreemason.com's online library simply by typing in the words "Aleister Crowley" which effectively communicates a few things:


"INTRODUCTION

To all whom it may concern--

LET IT BE KNOWN that there exists, unknown to the great crowd, a very ancient Order of sages, whose object is the amelioration and spiritual elevation of mankind by means of conquering error and aiding men and women in their efforts of attaining the power of recognising the truth.

This Order has existed already in the most remote times, and it has manifested its activity secretly and openly in the world under different names and in various forms; it has caused social and political revolutions and proved to be the rock of salvation in times of danger and misfortune. It has always upheld the banner of freedom against tyranny in whatever shape this has appeared, whether as clerical or political or social despotism, or oppression of any kind.

To this ``secret order'' every wise and spiritually enlightened person belongs by right of his or her nature; because they all, even if they are personally unknown to each other, are one in their purpose and object, and they all work under the guidance of the one light of truth.

Into this Sacred Society no one can be admitted by another, unless he has the power to enter it himself by virtue of his own interior illumination, neither can any one, after he has once entered, be expelled, unless he should expel himself by becoming unfaithful to his principles, and forget again the truths which he has learned by his own experience.

All this is known to every enlightened person. But it is known only to a few that there exists also an external visible organization of such men and women, who having themselves found the path to real self-knowledge, and who, having travelled the burning sands, are willing to give the benefit of their experience, and to act as spiritual guides to those who are willing to be guided.

While numberless societies, associations, orders, groups etc. have been founded during the last thirty years in all parts of the civilised world, all following some line of occult study, yet there is but ONE ancient organization of genuine Mystics which shows the seeker after truth a Royal Road to discover The Lost Mysteries of Antiquity, and to the Unveiling of the One Hermetic Truth. This organization is known at the present time as the: Ancient Order of Oriental Templars. Ordo Templi Orientis. Otherwise:

The Hermetic Brotherhood of Light. It is a Modern School of Magic. And, like the ancient schools of magic, it derived its knowledge from the East. This Knowledge was never revealed to the profane, for it gave immense power for either good or evil to its possessors. It was recorded in symbol, parable and allegory, requiring a Key for its interpretation.

For the symbols and glyphs of Freemasonry were originally also derived from more ancient mysteries. These symbols of ancient Masonry, of the Rosicrucians, the sacred art of the ancient Chemi (Egyptians), of Homer's Golden Chain, like those of modern Freemasonry etc. are however but different aspects of the One Great Mystery. They all require a key to disclose the real underlying meaning.

There exists however but One Right Key, and moreover this one right key must be used the Right Way. This key can be placed within the reach of all those who are prepared unselfishly to study and work for its possession, if they apply for membership to the Order of Oriental Templars (O.T.O.)

The O.T.O. (Ordo Templi Orientis) is a body of Initiates in whose hands are concentrated the secret knowledge of all Oriental Orders and of all existing Masonic Degrees. Its Chiefs are Initiates of the highest rank and are recognised as such by all capable of such recognition in every country in the world.

Every man or woman who becomes a member of the O.T.O. has an indefeasible right to the first three degrees of Masonry. The O.T.O., although an Academia Masonica, is not a Masonic Body, so far as the Craft degrees are concerned in the sense in which that expression is usually understood in England, and therefore in no way conflicts or infringes the just privileges of the United Lodge of England. English Master Masons in good standing, by arrangement, on affiliation, are admitted at reduced charges.

Members of the IX degree become part-proprietors of the Estates and Goods of the Order. For further information see the publications of the O.T.O., and the synopsis of the degrees of the O.T.O.

ANCIENT ORDER OF ORIENTAL TEMPLARS

Constitution

ARTICLE I

UNDER THE STYLE AND TITLE: ANCIENT ORDER OF ORIENTAL TEMPLARS, an organization, formerly known as: ``The Hermetic Brotherhood of Light'', has been reorganized and reconstituted. This reconstituted association is an international organization, and is hereinafter referred to as the O.T.O.

ARTICLE II

1. The O.T.O. declares that Brotherhood of All Things Created is a fact in Nature.

2. The principle purpose of the O.T.O. is to teach True Brotherhood, and to make it a living power in the life of humanity.

3. The subsidiary aims of the O.T.O. are:

(a) to spread the doctrines of Hermetic Science, and to initiate its members in the Secret Doctrines of Hermetic Science, for which purpose its members are as a preparatory measure initiated, passed and raised in Masonry:

(b) to establish and administer schools, lodges, etc. where Hermetic Science is taught:

(c) to build, establish, found, manage and administer Homes, Colonies, Settlements, etc. where initiated members may live according to the tenets of the O.T.O.

ARTICLE III

1. The O.T.O. is part of that great and universal hermetic movement which has been active in all ages.

2. Organizations throughout the world adopting this Constitution become integral parts of the O.T.O. upon receipt of official notification of their acceptance as such. All such joining organizations to be subject to whatever conditions the authorities of the O.T.O. may impose.

3. The Central Office of the O.T.O. is at present in Switzerland, but may be removed to any country.

ARTICLE IV

1. There shall be One Supreme Office in which shall be vested paramount authority regarding all matters which concern the welfare and administration of the O.T.O.

2. The title of the person filling this office shall be ``Frater Superior and Outer Head of the Order'', hereinafter referred to as the O.H.O.

3. The person (male or female) filling this office shall serve for life, or until his or her resignation.

4. The person filling this office shall appoint his or her successor.

ARTICLE V

1. The Frater Superior and Outer Head of the Order (O.H.O.) shall be the Sole Executive Officer of the Order O.T.O.

2. The Frater Superior and Outer Head of the Order (O.H.O.) shall have the Sole power of filling all general offices by appointing persons to occupy the same, and shall have the power of removing any general officer at will.

3. The Frater Superior and Outer Head of the Order (O.H.O.) shall have power to declare the policy of the O.T.O., and to direct and manage the affairs of the O.T.O.

4. The Frater Superior and Outer Head of the Order (O.H.O.) shall have the right to cancel or suspend the Charter of any subordinate organization (lodge, chapter, senate, temple, home, school, etc.) and shall also have the right to suspend or dissolve the membership of any person whenever such action is, in his or her opinion, for the interest of the O.T.O.

ARTICLE VI

1. There shall be an Advisory Council (Cabinet) consisting of twelve members, inclusive of the O.H.O., who is the ex-officio Chairman of the Cabinet.

2. The duties of the Members of the Cabinet shall be to aid the O.H.O. in promulgating and establishing the measures emanating from that office.

3. The Chairman of the Cabinet together with two members thereof shall constitute a quorum for the transaction of business.

ARTICLE VII

1. There shall be an Executive Committee of Three (Supreme Council), whose duty shall be to administer the affairs of the O.T.O. under the general supervision of the O.H.O.

2. The Treasurer General, the Secretary General, and the O.H.O. are the three ex-officio members of the Supreme Council and the Executive Committee.

3. All official acts of the Executive Committee (Supreme Council) are void and of no effect when disapproved by the O.H.O.

ARTICLE VIII

1. Should any vacancy occur in the office of the O.H.O., the Cabinet shall have power to perform the duties of that office until the successor to that office takes possession of the same.

ARTICLE IX

1. The O.H.O. shall be the Custodian of the Archives and Library of the O.T.O.

2. The O.H.O. may appoint agents for any purpose and endow them with whatever powers he or she may elect to delegate under his or her hand and seal.

ARTICLE X

1. There shall be a Finance Committee of Three, whose duty shall be to raise money and direct the disbursement of same. The Treasurer General is the ex-officio Chairman of this Committee.

2. The official acts of this Finance Committee are subject to the approval of the O.H.O. and are void and of no effect when disapproved by the O.H.O.

3. Every member is expected to contribute to the funds of the O.T.O. according to his or her means, but the following Dues or Fees, to be paid in advance by the members of the O.T.O. are fixed as minimum contributions (as per Manifesto M.M.M. 1912). Entrance fee. Eight guineas, forty dollars, or 200 francs.

Subscriptions:

(a) Probationers: 2 sh.; 50 cents; 2 francs a month.

(b) Students 5 sh.; 1 dollars; or 6 francs a month.

(c) Initiates; 10 sh.; 2 dollars or 12 francs a month.

The O.H.O. has power to reduce these fees and dues in special cases.

For diplomas are charged:

(a) Students class; 50 sh.; 15 dollars; or 65 francs.

(b) Initiates Class: Five guineas; 30 dollars; or 130 francs each. Charters for Lodges of more than 10 members cost 25 guineas each Charter or 100 dollars or 650 francs. No money paid into the Treasury of the O.T.O. can be reclaimed by either individual members or lodges etc. under any pretext whatsoever.

ARTICLE XI

1. Any person of full age (male or female) who has signed the preliminary pledge form, and has been approved by the O.H.O. may become a member of the O.T.O.

2. Every application for admission must be sent in writing to the Central Office, whether the office be in Switzerland or elsewhere, or to one of the authorized local organizations.

3. The members of the O.T.O. are classified as:

(a) Probationers (embracing Theosophists etc.)

(b) Students or Lay Brothers (Masonic Members)

(c) Initiates or O.T.O. members proper.

For further particulars see synopsis of degrees of the O.T.O. 4. Applications for diplomas and charters must be accompanied by a remittance covering the statutory fees and dues. All diplomas and charters must be issued under the hand and seal of the O.H.O. 5. Three or more members may apply for a Charter to form a subordinate lodge or organization.

6. No person may be a member of two lodges at the same time.

ARTICLE XII

1. Every subordinate lodge or organization shall have the right to conduct its own affairs according to its own wishes and bye-laws, provided that its acts and bye-laws are not contrary to the letter or the spirit of this Constitution.

2. The Bye-Laws of subordinate organizations, lodges etc. must be submitted for approval to the O.H.O., and are null and void if disapproved by the O.H.O.

ARTICLE XIII

1. A Congress of the O.T.O. may be called by the O.H.O. to assemble at such place and time as that officer may designate.

2. Each subordinate organization, lodge, etc. shall be entitled to ONE vote in the Congress for its first three members, and one additional vote for each succeeding two members.

3. The O.H.O. shall have power to prevent the discussion of, or action on, any subject which in the judgement of that officer is against the welfare of the O.T.O.

ARTICLE XIV

1. It shall be the duty of the Cabinet to provide Bye-Laws for the O.T.O., and its subordinate organizations.

2. No Bye-Laws shall become operative until approved by the O.H.O.

ARTICLE XV

1. There shall be a Literary and Masonic Association connected with the O.T.O. to be known as: The Esoteric Rosicrucians. All its official publications shall be issued with the hermetic cypher: I. N. R. I. There are at present two official organs: The Oriflamme and The Equinox.

2. There shall be a department of the O.T.O. for the purpose of teaching Hermetic Science, to be known as the ``Hermetic Science College.''

3. There shall be a department of the O.T.O. for the purpose of doing practical humanitarian work in specially appointed profess-houses to be known as the ``Homes of the O.T.O.''

ARTICLE XVI

1. There exist 4 different seals which are used by the O.T.O. The respective symbolic meanings of these various seals will be made known to the members in the course of their studies. One of these seals is for the general use of the O.T.O.; and one, to be used exclusively by the O.H.O., is called the Secret Seal (S.S.).

ARTICLE XVII

1. The Constitution may be amended by a three-fourth vote of a Congress. But no amendment shall take effect and become law until approved by the O.H.O. In cases of emergency the O.H.O. has supreme power to amend this Constitution by ``Edict'' under his hand and seal, which is to be recorded in the Golden Book of the O.T.O.

ARTICLE XVIII

Initiates of at least ten years good standing may apply for a six months' free residence in one of the established Homes. Applications will be dealt with by rotation. The final decision for granting a free residence to any applicant rests with the O.H.O.

ARTICLE XIX

This Constitution was first proclaimed, published and issued under the hand and seal of the O.H.O. in London (England) on January 22nd, A.D. 1906, Anno Ordinis 788, Anno V.L. 0,000,000,000.

This revised edition of the Constitution has been approved by me, and is now issued under my hand and seal this twenty second day of January A.D. 1917, Anno Ordinis 799, on Monte Verita, in the Republic of Ticino (Switzerland). Merlin, 33ø 96ø Xø Fra Superior and Outer Head of the O.T.O. Argosinus 33ø 95ø IXø Qaestor Parcevale 33ø 95ø IXø Cancellarius"

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Also of interest are the Writings of Manly P. Hall, particularly "The Secret Teachings", which I own and which *illuminates* every corporate logo on the face of the earth worth a damn.

So, where do we all stand in relation to Freemasonry? Crazy conspiracy theorist's wet dream or a very weird and fucking creepy reality?

If you're not sure yet, be sure to do some dilligent research using the Mason's own suggested reading materials and articles written BY the Brethren. Do not make the mistake of reading so-called "Anti-Masonic" literature. By researching such "crap" one could easily fall under the categorization of "Crackpot".


 

 
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Scaredy Cat, Monday, 7 April 2003 07:00 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.thefreemason.com

NOT .org

Ignore the above link. Thanks.

Scaredy Cat, Monday, 7 April 2003 07:03 (twenty-two years ago)

AH FUCK, I need better proofreading skills. The URL for the above article from www.thefreemason.com's online library is here:
http://thefreemason.com/library/degrees/FRATER_SUPERIOR_MERLIN_PEREGRINUS_X.asp

Scaredy Cat, Monday, 7 April 2003 07:07 (twenty-two years ago)

I tend to imagine that Freemasons are basically like really overgrown Dungeons & Dragons gamers, or people who go to Renaissance festivals. "Secret fraternal organization" geeks.

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 7 April 2003 07:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I tended to imagine the same thing and I still try to or HOPE this is so, but research on the matter has pretty much made me a "weirdo" because I tend to see the fright factor of a possible reality when the fucking United States of America was founded on such ideals and continues to be run by such people. That slaps me in the face everytime I think, "Ooooh hooo, David Icke, Ha! Ha!" Our president is a Manifest Destiny right-wing Christian who constantly positions himself next to the words "Jesus" and "Christ" and just happens to be one of many Freemason / Mason-friendly organization's recruitments to the Presidency. As such, he will probably not be assassinated.

Scaredy Cat, Monday, 7 April 2003 07:14 (twenty-two years ago)

I've known one Mason in my life, and based on him I gotta say if the Masons are calling the shots anywhere except in their own clubhouses then everything I know is wrong. Whatever power they held in the past, I'm sure they're as harmless as the Shriners now.

nickn (nickn), Monday, 7 April 2003 07:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Nickn, remember one thing (even if you never knew it before in order to remember it, you'll know it now and can research it to see if I'm actually telling the truth here).... almost ALL Freemasons are clueless. As Mason Carl Claudy said, "Cut through the outer shell and find a meaning; cut through that meaning and find another; under it, if you dig deep enough, you may find a third, a fourth -- who shall say how many teachings?" or, a regular phrase among Masons, as well as occultists: ""All are blind to their meanings, but those who have eyes to see"... Masonic symbolism is hidden in plain site. This is why anyone who is skeptical should buy Manly P. Hall's (a 33rd Degree Mason) "The Secret Teachings of All Ages". You will be shocked. The Knights of Columbus are an extension of Masonry, and yet every K of C member I've ever known is a drunken hillbilly fuck who likes to barbeque and ride motorcycles. Still, they're connected to a group which has a suggested reading list on "Magick" and boasts such members as Aleister Crowley and George Washington. Cut through the bullshit and figure it out for yourself. The whole society isn't so "secret" anymore because they don't have to be... at least, that's my take on it... nobody cares or believes anything that they actually stand for... and yet this is exactly what they stand for: FUCKED UP SHIT.

Scaredy Cat, Monday, 7 April 2003 07:33 (twenty-two years ago)

But if all their members are clueless, where do they get their power from?

nickn (nickn), Monday, 7 April 2003 07:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Almost all their members are clueless, not all, and they pay dues and support whatever interests the governing body tells them to support.

Scaredy Cat, Monday, 7 April 2003 07:50 (twenty-two years ago)

So do you believe the magic referenced above is real? That they can control things through supernatural means?

nickn (nickn), Monday, 7 April 2003 07:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Nickn, that's not really a relevant concern, but to answer your question, no I don't. I don't know what "magic" is specifically, but according to Franz Bardon, mysticism is the axis of the Being of the universe and magic is everything else: mathematics, science, politics, etc. Franz Bardon's Introduction Into Hermetics is #1 on their list of recommended magic books, but that definition isn't what I've always considered "magic" and I am almost certain it is not your definition of magic, either. If this is the definition of magic, then politics, propaganda and memetics is all "magic", and in this case I would accept that "magic" is a real thing which can be used to specific ends. But, Bardon also speaks about the evocation of demons, the creation of phantoms and clairvoyance, ESP, astral projection, etc. I have no reason to believe this stuff exists. I could be tempted to believe such things, but as a logical person, I would hold out for proof. As of yet, I have no reason to believe this stuff exists. With all the occult nonsense surrounding Hitler, he did not succeed (although, a fellow versed in Masonic conspiracy theory could offer various reasons for his failure) and since I believe "magic" in the sense I've grown to understand, by comon definition, means "alakazam, thy will be done" I, of course, doubt that magic in this sense exists. Unless, perhaps, it is some vast complex system and there are major sorcerers battling for control of planet Earth... but, that seems very silly.

What I do believe is that, like any religious organization, they are zealous and with agenda, according to their beliefs. Since the beliefs are on par with what any normal person would consider completely wacked out and crazy, this is grounds for concern. What other organization has large, windowless structures all over the earth and worships Gods from ancient Egypt?

Scaredy Cat, Monday, 7 April 2003 08:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Argh, much of what Mr. Cat has said is true, which is why the western Occult traditions have been fucked for centuries. The Masons were also responsible for putting the Pyramid crowned by the Third Eye of Horus on the US one dollar bill; most of the Founders were allegedly Masons. Despite whatever knowledge the group may have had in the 18th century, based on what I've been exposed to nowadays they have about as much credibility as Scientologists. (In my opinion, none).

Magic is '"real," in its original Persian definition, but it's use and knowledge has fallen into corruption in the West ever since Alchemy's meaning was externalized. Crowley was a genuine shaman, but unfortunately fell into wretched perversion over the last half of his life. I'm a bit skeptical about the veracity of Franz Bardon, Israel Regardie, etc. -> from what I've seen they've conflated the ultimate spiritual goal from a self-negating mystical tradition, to a "you too can be a '!God!' if you read/follow this" attitude, which has formed the basis of the modern "Magick" movement. As an easterner when it comes to spirituality, I just have a difficulty buying any methods which don't involve breath control/cessation of thought. =)

Hitler used Venusian occult methods (propaganda through art, a warped appeal to humanity's highest idealism, magnetizing the masses through subtle means) to come to and maintain power, but capsized under the influence of the North and South Node of the Moon (Dragon's Heads and Tails in Western Astrology, or Rahuand Ketu), whose astrological periods he was enduring from 1935-'45. I have his horoscope if anyone wants the degrees.

Vic, Monday, 7 April 2003 09:04 (twenty-two years ago)

the Freemasons are a bunch of upper middle class professional types who like to get together for booze-ups, and to add a frisson of excitement to their sybaritism they dress it all up in some pseudo-mystical mumbo jumbo. The idea that they are actually either the secret rulers of the world or worshippers of SATAN is frankly laughable.

IA JABULON.

DV (dirtyvicar), Monday, 7 April 2003 09:10 (twenty-two years ago)

it's grounds for concern why? either this impinges on non-masons (in which case it's not a secret and we can say "hey stop doing x, y and z") or it doesn't, in which case, who gives a fuck?

mark s (mark s), Monday, 7 April 2003 09:11 (twenty-two years ago)

it's the same with the bilderbergers etc, they are only ultra secretive because why bother not being ultra secretive.

Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 7 April 2003 09:17 (twenty-two years ago)

There's a big masonic temple in Alexandria, VA. that has tours, I've always wanted to go but haven't had the chance yet. My friend Ryan went and said it was really weird. There was an animatronic Abraham Lincoln and a room that you could only look at for 30 seconds, then they pulled a curtain in front of it.

Nick A. (Nick A.), Monday, 7 April 2003 10:51 (twenty-two years ago)

It's juat a boys club for blokes who have nothing else to fill their lives with and think it gives them some sort of power or meaning in their lives innit?

smee (smee), Monday, 7 April 2003 11:01 (twenty-two years ago)

This is what the Masons mean to me. I grew up in a nice house in the countryside that my dad, grandad and a local builder built themselves. Okay, my grandad's metric conversions weren't great and the roof was a bit slopey as a result, but it was our little River Cottage Forever. We were near to a lovely old row of cottages, with a patch of land on one side where some guy kept his chickens and a small, thin garden on the other side.

18 years of lovely gamboling childhood pass only for some Masonic cunt to buy all the land around us and build houses on it. Funny how the old owners could never get planning permission. He even built a house on the small, thin garden next door. It was about 12 foot wide and very tall and blocked all the light to one side of our house. We had to move.

If his wife hadn't have run away with a 6ft 10 professional dancer I would be very bitter. As it is I'm merely spitting fire.

Lynskey (Lynskey), Monday, 7 April 2003 11:37 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.thefreemason.com/acatalog/gags_gavels0064b.gif

seems to be more where they're at.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 7 April 2003 18:15 (twenty-two years ago)

just another silly religion, but this one born far more out of a partial response to enlightenment principles, as i recall.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 7 April 2003 18:16 (twenty-two years ago)

http://images.art.com/images/products/regular/10053000/10053299.jpg

mark p (Mark P), Monday, 7 April 2003 18:30 (twenty-two years ago)

There's a really gd sup-Stepford Wives TVMovie abt a suburban community of middleclass whitebread witch-worshippers, and I like the idea of the Masons as similarly being 'Satanism for Squares'.

Andrew L (Andrew L), Monday, 7 April 2003 18:44 (twenty-two years ago)

The problem with saying "aha the Freemasons have exercised their shadowy powers over us all" is that it's basically like saying "aha the Yale Skull & Bones members have exercised their shadowy powers over us all" or "the Rotarians run this city" -- i.e., even when it's sort of true all you've done is to identify a linked-up social group whose members have enough sway to put their totems and fetishes on national currency.

Compare with the statement "ILX owns the Village Voice."

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 7 April 2003 18:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Helloooooooooo, Masonic Boom to Thread...

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Monday, 7 April 2003 19:32 (twenty-two years ago)

It's juat a boys club for blokes who have nothing else to fill their lives with and think it gives them some sort of power or meaning in their lives innit?

A lot of groups now accept females, ya know.

A friend of mine flirted with the idea of joining the masons once (he always comes up with this kinda shit), and came to the conclusion that they're:

1- Partly based on some very noble principles
2- Hopelessly splintered (i.e. "knowing about the masons" in, say, Hamburg != knowing what they are all about in Berlin, let alone other countries)
3- Harmless.

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Monday, 7 April 2003 21:26 (twenty-two years ago)

I know nothing about masons. I do think that secret societies, particularly the college variety, and even not-so-secret societies, particularly the college variety, are breeding grounds for the worst sort of attitudes and thinking that America can produce. This is based purely on my limited personal experience of them, but I have read and seen enough concerning similar organizations at other universities beyond the one I attended to believe that what I saw and heard is by no means limited to the state of Tennessee or even the southeast. If you ask me, anything that deems itself a 'fraternal order' is a hotbed of backwards thinking and damaged goods and should be dissolved straightaway.

Millar (Millar), Monday, 7 April 2003 22:00 (twenty-two years ago)

True dat, the stuff about America being founded by
Masons. As for the "crazy stuff," it's no crazier
than any other religion. All religion is based on
unsubstantiated unscientific ideas, or it wouldn't
be religion.

But yeah, Washington, Franklin, Jefferson and many
other of the early founders were masons who privately
had great scorn for organized christianity.

Which reminds me, I fucking hate it when britons
downplay the American Revolution as simply a
political matter. Wake up, people
Ben Franklin and sillyhaired co brought
back the democratic republic - an ancient system that
had long been considered unwieldy, unworkable and
doomed to failure. While britain, though partly
democratic, had strong monarchial and unelected rule,
with only bare vestiges of self-determination.
The American colonists _were_ living under a real
tyranny, which was well documented and continued,
in some form or another, into the twentieth century.

masta ace (Squirrel_Police), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 00:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Good point, masta ace. That reminds me, Charles Taze Russell was a 33rd degree Mason (apparantly) who created the organization known today as Jehovah's Witnesses. 'Tis amazing how Freemasons are always against Christianity or this or that political organization, and yet Freemasons always turn out to be the ones responsible for the formation of such organizations and religions.

Read some of Russell's writings (scanned) here: http://www.exjws.net/museum/masonry.htm
Check out his grave pyramid here:
http://members.shaw.ca/illuminaticonspiracy2/jehovah.html

Most Jehovah's Witnesses are completely unaware of the shady roots of their religion and if you follow that second link, you'll also see why it's such a destructive cult.

As a person that's been exposed to quite a few religions, some against my will, in my opinion the "crazy stuff" in Masonry is a great deal crazier than your average religion (and your average religion seems pretty crazy to me).

Scaredy Cat, Tuesday, 8 April 2003 02:08 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought Freemasonry was only against Catholicism (significance of Mary and all that)

Millar (Millar), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 02:10 (twenty-two years ago)

AH, Millar, that's what I meant. Their official book is the Holy Bible, for pete's sake. Catholicism! That's why, if you read CT Russell's writings I linked to above, he starts out patting himself on the back for hitting it right of with "our friends, the Free Masons", I think are his words. Obviously, they were friends if he was a 33rd degree Mason. And Jehovah's Witnesses are all about spreading the "truth" and showing the falsity of all other Christian religions, especially Catholicism.

Scaredy Cat, Tuesday, 8 April 2003 02:19 (twenty-two years ago)

IIRC Masonry has some fairly close ties with the Episcopal Church, dating back to its origins in the Church of England & alliances with the crown, too (could be some of that anti-Mason literature I've read coming back on me, though)

Millar (Millar), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 02:26 (twenty-two years ago)

The only person I know who I know for a certainty is a Mason is also Catholic, I think -- or maybe it's just his wife who was Catholic. I always assumed there was some kind of Masonry/Catholicism connection, in any case, but despite Catholic history being my Thing, I know nothing about it. So I will delight you with an anecdote about my adopted land.

About a year ago, some friends and I road-tripped out to western Louisiana, to buy boudin balls and check out antique stores (I got a great cast-iron pan for $8, which isn't the point). Just for the hell of it, we took the side roads back most of the way, and hit this tri-town area that was little more than fields, Catholic churches, ramshackle houses, and Masonic temples -- about two temples per church, and there were an awful lot of churches.

Every single car (well, pickup truck) we passed had a Masonic decal in the rear window. Every single one. At least thirty, all told -- more than I've seen before and since put together. It was bizarre. We started driving around looking for other cars, trying to find one without the decal, and had no luck at all.

Stopped at a bakery in one of the towns, got a really good chocolate pie. So, if the guys running the world make great pie, hey, more power to em.

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 02:31 (twenty-two years ago)

my father's a freemason but has never told me the society's secrets, mostly because it's a secret society I think.
when I was in high school, some friends and I broke into the local masonic temple to steal beer. we found some cool-ass looking robes, some spears, a ceremonial dagger and some other shit. there was a papier maché skull in a small coffin-shaped box by the altar and a large book on a lectern. after looking around for a bit, we managed to pick the lock on the bar and take off with a couple of cases.
ah, the halcyon days of youth.
I never did tell my father because I think he would be honour bound to kill me, which could put a strain on our relationship

Bruce Urquhart (Bruce Urquhart), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 03:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Is it any surprise that the only Catholic president of
the USA was assassinated?

PS. JFK, you numb-skulls.

masta ace (Squirrel_Police), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 05:49 (twenty-two years ago)

So was the only President with "logs" named after him.

Lincoln logs ... log cabin ... cabins ... lodges ... Masonic lodges ...

Makes you think.

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 05:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Cabins doesn't "..." to lodges! Who in their right mind
would associate cabins and lodges???

masta ace (Squirrel_Police), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 06:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I've heard "lodge" used to denote a fancy cabin, I think.

nickn (nickn), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 06:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Exactly. (Put a log cabin near a ski-slope, and it's a lodge.)

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 06:50 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think Freemasons are actually against Catholicism. But the Catholic Church is against Freemasonry, and forbids its adherents to go on the square.

DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 10:51 (twenty-two years ago)

If only I'd KNOWN I had a whole thread about me... ;-)

masonic boom, Tuesday, 8 April 2003 10:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Here in Scotland, there seem to be a lot more lower-class Freemasons than elsewhere - than in England at least. The Freemasons I've met here (ie, my ex-flatmate's family), at least, tend to be more lower-class than the ones I've met in England (ie, my uncle and his friends)

I remember visiting a trashy Sunday Market a few years ago (at Kinross, Perthshire), and seeing stalls full of cheap Masonic tat - rings with masonic symbols, tankards, engraved glasses - loads of cheap and nasty Masonic stuff, really.

caitlin (caitlin), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 15:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Whatever power they held in the past, I'm sure they're as harmless as the Shriners now.

The Shriners are a branch of the Masons.

About the only general thing you can say about the Masons and other "secret societies" is that while the larger organization may have a philosophy and ritual, the individual chapter is a reflection of its membership. In mid-20th century America, small-town Mason chapters seem to have been sort of a club for local businessmen where they could meet up and network with other members. While individual members probably do favors for their lodge brothers when they can, claims that this or that group "rules the world" is probably a factor of envy of the members' contacts.

j.lu (j.lu), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 15:32 (twenty-two years ago)

does anyone know of any sociological studies of such smalltown masonic lodges? I'm curious as to how open their membership is... whether people who become local notables are then invited into the lodge or whether the in-group excludes such would be new notables, and they then fade and disappear.

DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 15:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I'll have to ask which my uncle became first, a mason or a local councillor.

I thought about studying masons for my anthropology degree. Before I decided not to do one, that is.

caitlin (caitlin), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 15:41 (twenty-two years ago)

My uncle is an MC or somesuch in his lodge. It seems to be a good place for lonely men to get drunk together. They do work it for contacts though. He got £3000 off his last car through someone at the lodge. I can well believe stories about magistrates letting off other masons although my uncle swears that doesn't happen any more.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 15:48 (twenty-two years ago)

My grandpa once took me to see a local bluegrass band that happened to be playing at a Masonic temple. It seemed totally ordinary, almost like a doctor's office, except for all the weird Masonic shit on the walls.

When I told people about it, I had to explain to every single person who the Freemasons were, and the only way I could do it was to bring up the Simpsons episode.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 15:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Meanwhile, the Freemason's are running out of members so they are recruiting by offering an accelerated series of rituals that compress a year's work into one day.

Chris Barrus (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 18:31 (twenty-two years ago)

fnord

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 18:35 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.dilbert.com/comics/getfuzzy/
(Or if it's after midnight EST on 4-14, http://www.dilbert.com/comics/getfuzzy/archive/getfuzzy-20030414.html)

It's funnier if you normally read Get Fuzzy, but that's true of most of its strips.

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 14 April 2003 04:00 (twenty-two years ago)

nine months pass...
Revive!

Darcus How? (nordicskilla), Friday, 16 January 2004 17:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I always thought it was about beer. In many dry countys in the south or rural areas, it was the only place you could get a beer.

The most dangerous place to go driving is around lodges/VFWs/Union Halls around 11pm to closing.

earlnash, Friday, 16 January 2004 17:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Apparently Franco had a toy masonic lodge in his palace.

DV (dirtyvicar), Friday, 16 January 2004 23:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Apparently the Freemasons really are desperate to get new members. We toured the big spooky hall on Great Queen Street (fantastic, one of the best things to do in London, and free to boot) and the tour guide was asking us if any of us were Masons, or wanted to become Masons. He said that there were two Female lodges in the UK now, and I could get information on how to join. I bet the fees are really expensive to cover all that art deco restoration, but if they weren't, I'd so do it! Obviously!

the river fleet, Saturday, 17 January 2004 10:36 (twenty-one years ago)

two years pass...
I have actually been in a Masonic organization for the last 2 years and have met several other Masons from other lodges and connected with variuos groups online. It is definitely NOT just about beer. If it was, I'd be long gone. Very definitely IS about esoteric stuff. The amount of esoteric Masonic reading material is staggering and it is essentially the same material put out over the years by occult lodges, but less veiled (I have 300 pdfs I will probably never finish reading). It's actually pretty cool how it works "hidden in plain sight," but anyone who thinks the organization is "Satanic" is hopelessly out of touch with reality. And it's not a "secret lodge," either. Not the one I belong to, anyway. I just can't give out the printed material. I'm perfectly free to tell anyone anything I have learned in my own words. The question is really whether or not it's worth the effort. In pretty much every case, no it isn't.

Berashith, Sunday, 5 March 2006 15:04 (nineteen years ago)

The first I met my friend's Dad was around 2AM at his house. He had been driven home from central Bristol be his wife. The following conversation ensued (him with strong Bristol accent):

Me: Hi, pleased to me you.
Him: I've been at my Masonic meeting.
Me: Was it good?
Him: Yes. I won.
Me: Yes?
Him: Nine-nil!

He was profoundly drunk.

Mike W (caek), Sunday, 5 March 2006 15:16 (nineteen years ago)

And this is proof conclusive that it is all about the beer. Way to prove that!

Berashith, Sunday, 5 March 2006 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

Nope. Merely an amusing anecdote apropos of nothing.

Mike W (caek), Sunday, 5 March 2006 16:02 (nineteen years ago)

nude spock: never knowingly succinct

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 5 March 2006 16:19 (nineteen years ago)

They have actually removed all the ornate Egyptian wall designs and sculptures and replaced them with Budweiser posters and neon lights in the Masonic Building on 23rd.

Berashith, Sunday, 5 March 2006 19:43 (nineteen years ago)

Remove the Stone of Shame...and attach the Stone of Triumph!"

latebloomer: keeping his reputation for an intense on-set presence (latebloomer), Sunday, 5 March 2006 20:41 (nineteen years ago)


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