Taliban reviving structure in Afghanistan
By KATHY GANNON
April 7, 2003 | KANDAHAR, Afghanistan (AP) -- Before executing the International Red Cross worker, the Taliban gunmen made a satellite telephone call to their superior for instructions: Kill him?
Kill him, the order came back, and Ricardo Munguia, whose body was found with 20 bullet wounds last month, became the first foreign aid worker to die in Afghanistan since the Taliban's ouster from power 18 months ago.
The manner of his death suggests the Taliban is not only determined to remain a force in this country, but is reorganizing and reviving its command structure.
There is little to stop them. The soldiers and police who were supposed to be the bedrock of a stable postwar Afghanistan have gone unpaid for months and are drifting away.
At a time when the United States is promising a reconstructed democratic postwar Iraq, many Afghans are remembering hearing similar promises not long ago.
Instead, what they see is thieving warlords, murder on the roads, and a resurgence of Taliban vigilantism.
"It's like I am seeing the same movie twice and no one is trying to fix the problem," said Ahmed Wali Karzai, the brother of Afghanistan's president and his representative in southern Kandahar. "What was promised to Afghans with the collapse of the Taliban was a new life of hope and change. But what was delivered? Nothing. Everyone is back in business."
Karzai said reconstruction has been painfully slow - a canal repaired, a piece of city road paved, a small school rebuilt.
"There have been no significant changes for people," he said. "People are tired of seeing small, small projects. I don't know what to say to people anymore."
When the Taliban ruled they forcibly conscripted young men. "Today I can say 'we don't take your sons away by force to fight at the front line,'" Karzai remarked. "But that's about all I can say."
From safe havens in neighboring Pakistan, aided by militant Muslim groups there, the Taliban launched their revival to coincide with the war in Iraq and capitalize on Muslim anger over the U.S. invasion, say Afghan officials.
Karzai said the Taliban are allied with rebel commander Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, supported by Pakistan and financed by militant Arabs.
The attacks have targeted foreigners and the threats have been directed toward Afghans working for international organizations.
Abdul Salam is a military commander for the government. Last month he was stopped at a Taliban checkpoint in the Shah Wali Kot district of Kandahar and became a witness to the killing of Munguia, a 39-year-old water engineer from El Salvador.
After stopping Munguia and his three-vehicle convoy, gunmen made a phone call to Mullah Dadullah, a powerful former Taliban commander who happens to have an artificial leg provided by the Red Cross.
Mimicking a telephone receiver by cupping a hand on his ear, Salam recalled the gunmen's side of the conversation.
"I heard him say Mullah Dadullah," he said. "I heard him ask for instructions."
When the conversation ended the Taliban moved quickly, Salam said. They shoved Munguia behind one of the vehicles, siphoned gasoline from the tanks and used it to set the vehicles on fire.
Munguia was standing nearby. One Taliban raised his Kalashnikov rifle and fired at Manguia.
Then they told the others: "You are working with kafirs (unbelievers). You are slaves of Karzai and Karzai is a slave to America."
"This time we will let you go because you are Afghan," Salam remembered them saying, "but if we find you again and you are still working for the government we will kill you."
In the latest killing in southern Afghanistan, gunmen on Thursday shot to death Haji Gilani, a close Karzai ally, in southern Uruzgan province. Gilani was one of the first people to shelter Karzai when he secretly entered Afghanistan to foment a rebellion against the Taliban in late 2001.
International workers in Kandahar don't feel safe anymore and some have been moved from the Kandahar region to safer areas, said John Oerum, southwest security officer for the United Nations. But Oerum is trying to find a way to stay in southern Afghanistan. To abandon it would be to let the rebel forces win, he says.
The Red Cross, with 150 foreign workers in Afghanistan, have suspended operations indefinitely.
Today most Afghans say their National Army seems a distant dream while the U.S.-led coalition continues to feed and finance warlords for their help in hunting for Taliban and al-Qaida fighters.
Karzai, the president's brother, says: "We have to pay more attention at the district level, build the administration. We know who these Taliban are, but we don't have the people to report them when they return."
Khan Mohammed, commander of Kandahar's 2nd Corps, says his soldiers haven't been paid in seven months, and his fighting force has dwindled. The Kandahar police chief, Mohammed Akram, said he wants 50 extra police in each district where the Taliban have a stronghold. But he says his police haven't been paid in months and hundreds have just gone home.
"There is no real administration all over Afghanistan, no army, no police," said Mohammed. "The people do not want the Taliban, but we have to unite and build, but we are not."
― Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 7 April 2003 15:59 (twenty-two years ago)
― Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 7 April 2003 16:18 (twenty-two years ago)
How about the Pakistani ISI, who have an incestuous relationship with the CIA, and is based in an Islamicist nation with confirmed WMD and a dictator we've bought off for over 2 years now, a dictator whose name Dubya couldn't recall in a late 1999 campaign debate? I think it was the one in which he said the sole international role for the US would be to support democracy...
― Vic, Monday, 7 April 2003 16:23 (twenty-two years ago)
― lawrence kansas (lawrence kansas), Monday, 7 April 2003 16:27 (twenty-two years ago)
― nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 7 April 2003 16:32 (twenty-two years ago)
― nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 7 April 2003 16:34 (twenty-two years ago)
Oh another forgotten question: why hasn't the US been able to locate Mullah Omar?
― Vic, Monday, 7 April 2003 16:40 (twenty-two years ago)
how about someone places these global problems in order of priority?
Saddam's regime/unstability in the GulfPalestineNorth KoreaKashmirAfghanistanChechnya (the recent terrorist siege in Russia proves this is still a critical and resolved issue)Nigeria and other African countries where a combination of epidemic and Christian/Muslim conflicts threaten to engulf much of the continentthriving of Al-Qaeda and other terrorist factions
have i missed anything out?
― stevem (blueski), Monday, 7 April 2003 16:43 (twenty-two years ago)
― stevem (blueski), Monday, 7 April 2003 16:46 (twenty-two years ago)
Indonesia... one of the largest Muslim populations in the world and home to some of the biggest anti-American protests since the war started. See Bali bombing.
Colombia... on-going death & violence/"drug war" in which the U.S. is explicitly involved.
― Aaron W (Aaron W), Monday, 7 April 2003 16:47 (twenty-two years ago)
Actually, Steve, I wouldn't assume this in the least!
― nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 7 April 2003 16:55 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 7 April 2003 19:36 (twenty-two years ago)
Even many supporters of the Iraq war have some reservations about Bush, some sense that he might in fact be a bit invasion-happy. Now imagine him popping up a few years into his second term and suggesting that we need another one: "Because the last time we did this, we failed to accomplish anything."
― nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 7 April 2003 20:37 (twenty-two years ago)
― nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 7 April 2003 20:40 (twenty-two years ago)
― Colin Meeder (Mert), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 09:21 (twenty-two years ago)
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 09:28 (twenty-two years ago)
― ambrose (ambrose), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 09:59 (twenty-two years ago)
Afghanistan is being ignored because once the oil pipeline projects were scrapped because they turned out to be unprofitable, no one had any interest in a happy stable Afghanistan.
― fletrejet, Tuesday, 8 April 2003 10:29 (twenty-two years ago)
― Stuart (Stuart), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 10:58 (twenty-two years ago)
It still remains that very little support is being given to the Afghan interim administration. Its disgraceful that the us haven't got involved in the peacekeeping/making and that the UK pulled out after such a short time. As its stands kabul is protected by a rag bag of 3rd world armies and there is no law beyond the city limits. We owe it to the afgahn people build them a nation after two hundred years of using Afghanistan as a battle ground and proxy fighter.
The blood is on the hands of the UK, Russia and the US, with help from Pakistan and Iran.
If the Taliban regain control the the people of Afghanistan are going to be more reticent about being 'liberated' by the US again.
A plan along the lines of that implemented in Sierra Leone should be implemented. The US/UK should have troops in all major population centres training and paying for the establishment of afghan security services and the other tools of government and state required for Afghansitan to function.
― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 12:08 (twenty-two years ago)
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 12:40 (twenty-two years ago)
― Stuart (Stuart), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 13:07 (twenty-two years ago)
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 21:37 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 21:37 (twenty-two years ago)
― m. (mitchlnw), Sunday, 23 January 2005 23:05 (twenty-one years ago)
― m. (mitchlnw), Sunday, 23 January 2005 23:13 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 1 July 2005 14:22 (twenty years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 April 2006 18:30 (nineteen years ago)
― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 10 April 2006 18:36 (nineteen years ago)
this op-ed is infuriating
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/18/opinion/18dadkhah.html
("lara m. dadkhah" appears to exist in only one other place on the internet - an article for small wars journal about a year ago where he/she argued basically the same thing)
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 18 February 2010 10:20 (sixteen years ago)
this article's pretty great though. c.j. chivers is the new dexter filkins!
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/18/world/asia/18marja.html
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 18 February 2010 10:24 (sixteen years ago)
Some would argue that more combat troops will always mean more combat troop deaths. That holds true, however, only if you believe that our soldiers should fight fair.
Little bit, yeah.
Lara M. Dadkhah is an intelligence analyst. fucking nutjob
― what kind of present your naked body (Upt0eleven), Thursday, 18 February 2010 10:41 (sixteen years ago)
I do love the argument that, well, civilians are being killed anyway, so we might as well be the ones to kill them.
― what kind of present your naked body (Upt0eleven), Thursday, 18 February 2010 10:44 (sixteen years ago)
hasn't airpower in afghanistan been pretty conclusively determined to ineffective at best and counterproductive at worst??
i sort of have to wonder if lara m. dadakh actually exists - just sayin
that fucking illustration of the airplane with one wing "tied behind its back" is just... GAH
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 18 February 2010 10:51 (sixteen years ago)
It's been a while since I've read an actual studies on the effectiveness of airpower in afghanistan so I'm not entirely sure. Most of the articles I have read seem to treat it as a given that all Afghanistan can ever be is a long, slow, dirty ground war, giving no time over to a discussion of air strikes.
An anagram for Lara M. Dadakh is Dark Mad Ah La. Pretty telling.
― what kind of present your naked body (Upt0eleven), Thursday, 18 February 2010 11:06 (sixteen years ago)
here's what the smart people are saying on TV:
- ultimately we need a political solution in afghanistan, not a military one- the afghans have to take the lead- .....- ?????- PROFIT!
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 18 February 2010 23:19 (sixteen years ago)
So the biggest intelligence leak in history, from Wikileaks about the Afghanistan war? I just found out about this and am about to do a solid hour or so of reading all this morning's article's about it. Here's one:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/25/afghanistan-war-logs-military-leaks
― Beach Pomade (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 26 July 2010 15:17 (fifteen years ago)
http://www.independentcritics.com/images/jfkSPLASH.jpg
We're through the looking glass here, people???
― Beach Pomade (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 26 July 2010 15:18 (fifteen years ago)
some discussion here:
Um, I Think It's Time for a Thread on WikiLeaks
― joe, Monday, 26 July 2010 15:23 (fifteen years ago)