Landlords, pets, and running around desperately thinking what to do about them

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As some of you know, I have a cat. There's a picture of him here. He's so precious to me, and I don't know what I'd do without him.

Ive had him for almost three years, since he was 6 weeks old. When I got him, I checked with the letting agency that it was OK for me to have pets, and the agency's secretary said "don't worry, it'll be fine". They've known I've had the cat all that time. Their inspectors have seen him. They've seen the damage he's done to some of the wallpaper (when he was a little kitten and I didn't let him go outside; he stayed in and scratched his claws on the walls instead), and they know I've agreed to fix it before I move out.

So, this evening, I came home from work and there was a letter from the landlord on the doormat:

"The landlord is insistant that you remove the cat from the property, as we have asked you to do before". They've given me two weeks to get rid of him.

The part about "we've asked you before" is a COMPLETE lie. I'm going to ask them to find their copies of anywhere they've mentioned this to me, because I'm 100% sure they never have.

I got this letter about ... 90 minutes ago. I've been running round in a panic since. I just *don't* know what to do. I really don't want to give him up, because I have no idea how I'd manage living on my own without him. I've been very depressed over the past year, and I still get fits of it occasionally. I'm pretty sure that if I hadn't had him with me since I've been living alone, I'd have either killed myself or done something seriously self-harming. I really don't know how I'd cope if I had to give him up.

Advice welcome. If you don't have any advice to offer, a hug would be good.

(i'm on AIM in the daytime: caitlinpigtails)

caitlin (caitlin), Monday, 7 April 2003 18:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Don't give up your cat, caitlin. You can probably make the case that they've tolerated him/her all along. Or try calling your landlord and working it out.

slutsky (slutsky), Monday, 7 April 2003 18:13 (twenty-two years ago)

The trouble is Caitlin, that it would be very very easy for the Lettings Angency to 'find' copies of letters on file which they supposedly sent to you asking you to get rid of your cat.

If your tenancy agreement stated "no pets" then technically you are in breach of that, though I would suggest that you write a very nice (i.e. grovelling) letter to your lettings agency and point out that since your cat has been there for three years and the neighbours haven't complained, would it not be possible for him to stay with you for the rest of the duration of the tenancy if you (a) agree to make good any damage to wallpaper or furnishings before you leave and (b) pay to have the carpets professionally cleaned and treated at the end of your tenancy. This 'flea treatment' for carpets is a fairly standard requirement after having had a pet in a property, and is not a suggestion that your cat is flea-ridden (which I'm sure he isn't!).

Do you have your landlord's details? Can you write to him directly instead (if you were to point out that the agency had done several inspections over the past three years, had knowledge of the cat, and had never asked you to remove him then it may shift the blame for this onto the agency)?

I suppose that looking for somewhere else to live for you and your cat is not an option?

C J (C J), Monday, 7 April 2003 18:18 (twenty-two years ago)

I already *have* agreed to make good or pay for any damage he's caused after I've left.

The landlord is going to make another inspection, personally, in a couple of weeks. I will make sure to tell him that the agency have never asked me to remove him before.

To be honest, I wouldn't mind living in a nicer neighbourhood. I'm not sure I can afford to, though.

caitlin (caitlin), Monday, 7 April 2003 18:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Are you in the UK?

C J (C J), Monday, 7 April 2003 18:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Yup. Scotland.

caitlin (caitlin), Monday, 7 April 2003 18:26 (twenty-two years ago)

The Landlord (or anyone else for that matter) is not allowed to gain access to your property without giving you prior written notice of the date of his inspection visit. I suppose that if you packed up all the cat food/cat toys/bowls/bedding and took it round to your next door neighbour on the day of his planned visit, and made sure your cat was out that day........then how would he ever know?? You could always say that the cat was living next door now.

Plenty of tenants change the door locks themselves, to make sure people cannot just let themselves in whenever they feel like it.

C J (C J), Monday, 7 April 2003 18:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Is that the same in Scottish law?

They can always claim they gave me prior notice, but the letter got lost in the post or something.

caitlin (caitlin), Monday, 7 April 2003 18:31 (twenty-two years ago)

That's why changing the lock, or keeping the door chain on if you are at home, is always a good idea.

I'm not sure about Scottish law (I know it can be different), but it's certainly the case in the UK that you have to have 24 hours (minimum) notice in writing of an intended inspection visit. If you don't have a letter, you are within your rights to refuse them entry to your property.

C J (C J), Monday, 7 April 2003 18:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Can you check your lease agreement and see if there is a clause which specifically says you CAN'T have a pet? If there is no mention of the keeping of pets being allowed or forbidden, then you can't be forced to get rid of the cat.

C J (C J), Monday, 7 April 2003 18:50 (twenty-two years ago)

If you are forced to get rid of your cat, perhaps she can live with your mother or a friend that you visit frequently until you find somewhere cat friendly?

When I got my current apartment, the landlady was very displeased to hear that I had TWO cats, but she grimaced and said, "Ok 2 is fine, but not THREE! And no DOGS!" This is one of the few things that keeps me from picking up another kitten.

Sarah McLusky (coco), Monday, 7 April 2003 19:35 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd hide all evidence of him when they were coming to inspect, as CJ suggested.

He is such a beautiful cat! I don't think your little family should be torn asunder by some grim old buggers at the Letting Agency.

estela, Monday, 7 April 2003 21:53 (twenty-two years ago)

A very similar thing has happened to me actually. My lease (one of those stock standard jobbies) says no pets. However, the real estate agency have seen I have a cat, and that it's damaged the carpet in the hallway. Apart from that my cat's fine, she never goes out, is no nuisance to neighbours, kept v clean etc.

Anyway, once the actual landlords/owners had to come in to look at the hot water and *they* saw my cat and said "well we have no issue, you obvioulsy keep the place well and the cat seems fine".

But some time later the estate agency, while on the phone to me about something totally unrelated, said to me casually "oh and you might want to get rid of that cat, the upstairs neighbour complained to the body corp about smells out in the stairwell".

All this was news to me (and as my cat never leaves my flat, probably not even my cat), so I just stayed calm (even though I was shitting myself) and insisted she put any specifics in writing.

And I never heard another word about it.

I guess the point being, make sure everything's covered in writing - the lease terms as others have stated, and any supposed correspondance where they claim to have told you before. Talk direct to the owners if you're able (you'd be amazed how often they have no clue what their own agency is doing "on their behalf").

And good luck, because your kitty is gorgeous!

Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 01:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Thanks to everyone who replied. I'll let you know what happens.

My boss mentioned previously that they want to get a cat, but they're not sure because his girlfriend is sometimes allergic to them. I'm going to bring the cat over to the office in a couple of days and see if she's allergic, and if they can at least look after him whilst I'm looking for somewhere else to live.

caitlin (caitlin), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 15:29 (twenty-two years ago)

two years pass...
What happened then?

Rumpie (lil drummer girl parumpumpumpu), Friday, 23 December 2005 10:57 (twenty years ago)

I want to know now too!

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Friday, 23 December 2005 12:25 (twenty years ago)

thirteen years pass...

I wonder if anybody knows laws regarding landlord responsibility when a gas line to an apartment gets shut off by gas co. because there is a leak somewhere. Gas co. said leak was out of their jurisdiction (eg it's probably in the walls of the house of something), so i'm going on day 5 with no gas - no heating in winter, no way to cook food. landlord is finally getting someone to come out and look at it tomorrow, late afternoon, so it will be dark before they find the problem, i am pretty certain. so it seems like it's definitely gonna go on for another few days. tried to google this question, but am wondering if i have a right to expect him to shell out for a motel or something. landlord isn't being negligent per se, but sure hasn't impressed me with making this a priority and getting somebody out here the day after i called him. uggh

form that slug-like grex (outdoor_miner), Saturday, 12 January 2019 21:12 (six years ago)

ah man I can't help you with the legality but our boiler broke down 2 weeks ago and we went 7 days without heat and hot water, it sucks. We were lucky I suppose that it was easy enough for the plumber to fix and it was relatively mild that week

Colonel Poo, Saturday, 12 January 2019 23:50 (six years ago)

thx for commiseratin. have a feeling leaky pipe is in the walls and downstairs apt. is gonna get torn up in order to fix. guess i need to get over my feeling that landlord could've gotten someone out here sooner. gd, it freezing in the desert this morning.

form that slug-like grex (outdoor_miner), Sunday, 13 January 2019 14:02 (six years ago)

Where are you again? At the very least good landlords should reimburse space heaters or provide them.

Yerac, Sunday, 13 January 2019 14:53 (six years ago)

Most places, there is a certain temperature that has to met within housing. We had our cooking gas/gas (summer) shut off by con ed for two weeks for the entire street once. Out of landlord's hands.

Yerac, Sunday, 13 January 2019 14:55 (six years ago)

oh, space heater is good idea! am stuck in Inland Empire, east of LA these days

form that slug-like grex (outdoor_miner), Sunday, 13 January 2019 15:11 (six years ago)

My boiler died in the middle of NYC winter once. Even the little space heaters put out a good amount of heat.

Yerac, Sunday, 13 January 2019 15:56 (six years ago)

well, it was not the total disaster to repair that i was led to believe it might have been. just waiting on the gas co. **ckers to come out and turn gas back on. i learned that shaving with ice cold water is awesome though! gonna do that from now on

form that slug-like grex (outdoor_miner), Monday, 14 January 2019 00:27 (six years ago)


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